MATTHEWS is ON FIRE!!!

[matcom]

folks, i do believe that we MAY be witnessing the new dawn of JOURNALISM in this here United States. Even Wolfe is 'SMAKING DOWN'!!!!!!!

how does them bush* testicles feel in the palm of your hands kiddies???

SHIT MEET FAN

[wicket]

1. details for us cuberats!!!

please? :D

[RoyGBiv]

21. A few details

He interviewed four 9/11 widows who showed their displeasure with the Rice testimony, particularly her incessant assertions about not knowing things and about this or that not being her job. Their response, in one form or another, was to ask "It *was* her job, and she didn't do it."

Matthews then follows up with open-ended questions that let them expound.

He's repeated the the Ben-Veniste questioning of Rice on the August 6 PDB three times so far. He noted that it was the "key" moment of the day because he forced her into revealing the title, which in turn showed that the briefing focused on the fact bin Laden was planning to attack the US within the United States soon.

Next, he interviews two congressmen, one Dem and one Rep. He lets the Democrat talk after asking him if the Aug. 6 PDB, mentioned above, should be declassified, this being a question NO journalist has asked before. He turns to the Republican, and when the Repug starts moving off into criticism of Clarke, Matthew cuts him off and says, "I don't care about Clarke..." that's not our topic of discussion right now, OWWTE.

And on and on...

I'm rather shocked...

[spooky3]

31. Widows: We don't want an apology now...(more details)

what we want is for Rice, *, etc. to examine all of the structures and processes to find the problems and fix them now, so that all citizens are safe and our children are safe.

I'm paraphrasing here--One of the Widows: OK, let's GIVE them 9-11. They couldn't have known; couldn't have been expected to put the pieces together. But several months later they were putting forth faulty intelligence in the buildup to Iraq. No one had done anything to fix the problems. Why was that allowed to happen? What is the excuse for that?

"why did we have to beg for this commission?"


"I voted for Bush. I thought he would be my biggest ally. But he has been my biggest adversary in getting this commission appointed."

[leesa]

45. Let's give them9-11??? They probably caused your loved ones death and

you want to hand that to them? Then she goes on to say how the First Goofball is obstructing an investigation into 9-11 but they should hand them a victory on it??? America desperately needs more logic courses.

[spooky3]

60. She was NOT saying that she believes they should be let off

the hook for 9-11--if she were, why in the world would she be working so hard with the other widows to get accountability?

She is trying to simplify one of their arguments to make a point very clear. She's saying to the Bush apologists, "let's stop talking about 9-11 for a moment. Pretend that I agree with you on that and put it aside. Even if you are totally right about 9-11, that it could not have been foreseen, don't you see that you can't let them off the hook for what happened afterwards? They didn't review any of the intelligence structure and process to find the holes. Instead, they relied on it (or worse) and made the same mistakes or worse with Iraq, then they fought those of us who are still to this day pushing to identify the problems and get them solved."

Hope that makes it clearer.

[DemLikr]

42. That's great and all...but let's not kid ourselves. Matthews is a whore

and could turn on a dime.

One year ago he was cheerleading the tanks on to Bagdad after a brief, prewar flirtation with actual journalistic integrity when he asked a few pertinent questions.

Don't be fooled by one day of hysteria...Rove will call to adjust Tweety's attitude and things will return to normal on SoftBalls.

[AlinPA]

48. Exactly. (n/t)

[el_gato]

2. cube rats need love too!

[Thrill]

3. He just kicked

Bennett's ass

[nini]

4. I'm squeezing them as hard as I can!

I wish I was home to watch on TV!!

[Systematic Chaos]

5. Please explain...?

You got any examples, please?

[Thrill]

8. Maybe the real Chris Matthews

will come back. The Answer to Bill O'Riley bull.

[Kolesar]

6. these teaser subject lines are pissing me off

What did Tweety say?

[tom_paine]

7. Details, details, details....

I'm all a-quiver!

:evilgrin: :bounce: :grr: :bounce:

[Lorien]

9. Details for those of us without

cable please?

[mzmolly]

10. I know... tis goood al gooood!

He has the 911 widows on and is making NO excuses for *.

[Thrill]

13. Its hard to explain

he is just taking no shit from the Bush apologist today

[Beetwasher]

11. I Got To Watch Condi Briefly And I Must Say

That although I completely saw through the bullshit, it seemed to me she held herself together enough so that the press whores would praise the shit out her.

Are you telling me she's getting universally panned???? Please tell me that....If it's true, it IS a turning point, because I thought she was "good" enough for the press whores to laud...

[bif]

19. I agree

She looked as bit nervous and blinked a lot, but overall, she seemed very well prepared and held her own. She's going to get glowing reviews from the media whores, I predict.

[dolo amber]

24. She did seem to

hold herself together well...not nearly as much patented *Condi-Klingon forehead* as I was expecting.

Just goes to show how well *prepped* she was IMO...:eyes:

[spooky3]

36. she has had many years of experience defending inaction

and poor management, which necessarily involves lies. She ought to be good at it at this stage.

[Oddman]

64. Are you people crazy?

She held her own??? She was lying through her teeth . . . how is that holding her own??? Give me a break . . .

[sniffa]

12. c'mon

wha happen

[billybob537]

14. Why is CHIMP

hiding at the ranch, AKA pig farm, with the NRA? Does he think there will be a violent reaction to the SCUMBALINA spin job?:tinfoilhat:

[matcom]

15. UPDATE WITH DETAILS!!!!

just HAMMERED Bennett(R-Utah) over the testimony.

some questions (paraphrased):

"Was this admin totally inept?"

"WHY didn't Bush release the title of the Aug 6 memo?"

"WHAT are they trying to hide?"

"they KNEW that planes could be used. They PLANNED for it during the Olympics!"

"Someone is LYING aren't they?"

etc...etc...etc....

[rockymountaindem]

18. It's at times like these

I wished that cable news had more viewers. It's the other 99.5% of the time I'm glad nobody sees their crap.

Nevertheless, I'm happy someone is finally saying something.

[thebigidea]

16. if Tweety is the new dawn of journalism, I'm Cantinflas.

[KoKo]

17. My Impression! 9/11 wives believe LIHOP! Mention Asscroft and others not

flying commercial months before 9/11/AlQuaeda Cells in US, Moussoui asking for "in flight" training rather than full
training, the thwarted terrorist plot on Shrub at G7 Meeting that Summer where one of the widows said they "had to
know something was going to happen in US when they had just stopped a plot against Bush.

The widows said Tenent knew the morning of the attack that it was a terrorist because he said we know a pilot was
being trained, and yet Bush's first thought was "Man that's one lousy pilot."

They said why the delay when the first plane attaced not to alert the American poeople so they could have gotten out
of the second tower and prevented the Peantagon from being attacked.

Matthews is saying why didn't the President know on morning of 9/11 that we were NOT under attack! Matthews said
He himself knew it was a terrorist attack as he sat in the news room.

This has been an excellent show. And Matthews has done a supurb job. I can't stand him, but on this I will give him an
A+++ Why didn't Bush know is the question. They should have "connected the dots" says Congressman Bill Nelson.

Kristin is saying "No one even sent up a fighter jet!" " Why were they so slow to respond?'

Another widow said "Why was there no meeting about this when we know that there were meetings over the "Millenium
Threats.

Ideals are like stars: you will not succeed in touching them with your hands, but like the seafaring man on the ocean desert of waters,
you choose them as your guides, and following them, you reach your destiny.

[truthspeaker]

20. WTF? Did Rove's last check to Tweety bounce or something?

[arcane1]

22. methinks Chris will deserve a nice kudo-filled email from DUers

anyone have a link?

I'll check the msnbc site...

email link:

[e-mail]

[proud patriot]

41. I Sent A Thank You letter

:hi:

[Auntie Bush]

56. I just sent one too. Thanks for the reminder.

[aquart]

50. done

[Zomby Woof]

23. ewwwwwwwwww!

The Bush* testicles comment. :puke: :bounce:

Does he even have any? :D

[KittyWampus]

34. Yes, But They Never Descended

[Auntie Bush]

57. So true! ROTFL

[NewJeffCT]

25. more details please!!

I have not seen much.

Thanks

[Auntie Bush]

59. Haven't seen much of what? His undecended testicals?

Horrors! I cringe at the thought! :scared:

[matcom]

26. MATTHEWS JUST ASKED THE WIDOWS ABOUT LIHOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DID BUSH KNOW??????

WHOLEY SHITE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

on edit: one of the Widows says we will know when one of us runs for Senate and has access to the classified documents!

:wow:

[arcane1]

27. we need to email Chris our thanks!!!!!

[e-mail]

:toast:

[Desertrose]

29. Yup- that was fantastic...but he seemed to back away from it

as soon as it was outta his mouth.

I wish he'd let the women speak....why do they always talk over thier guests adn put words in their mouths??

I want to hear more from THEM!!!!

[spooky3]

32. I agree--they are quite articulate and NOT long-winded. Let them speak.

[Az]

33. My eyes!

Ok. Needed to be said. But eeesh. Maintain low tones.

[CaptainClark23]

39. Please, what did he say?

Did he use the term LIHOP, or was it a question of whether Bush had knowldeg of an imminent attack?

[MissB]

28. The sodium penathol question

Had me cracking up. What a funny question.

[dogonarug]

37. widows want cheney

on sodium pentathol...all four in agreement, did matthews wake up on the wrong side of the bed or what?? asking questions like this...he's almost being fair! I have only screamed "shut the fuck up and let em talk asswipe" 8 or 10 times so far! a record low!

[TacticalPeek]

30. Parallel link:

DU Thread

[Nashyra]

35. Tweety just asked why after * got the briefing he didn't come back from va

[underpants]

38. Ha! The unquestionable is being questioned

The ONLY thing W has to run on is the war on terror (he will keep us safe in this time of danger.....uh then why are we in danger now?) and his "performance" on 9/11. FINALLY someone is asking about BEFORE 9/11.

[underpants]

40. Howard Fienman is on Franken 'Wow Bombshell" the Aug.6 memo

YEs Howard freakin' Fineman even says that.

HE says that W being on vacation and the timing of that memo is going to raise serious doubts in many people's minds.

Condi was WAY to administrative. That is not what people wanted to hear.

"I can't see anyway Condi's testimoney will be helpful to Bush"

[RamboLiberal]

43. I hope they repeat this or MSNBC posts transcript

Daily Kos had this:

Hardball exclusive
by Tom Schaller
Thu Apr 8th, 2004 at 13:14:09 EDT

If you are near a television, go to MSNBC's Hardball RIGHT NOW. Four 9/11 widows are criticizing the Administration's handling of 9/11 and the stonewalling of the Commission like simply nobody else has...and certainly nobody else is entitled to. The single most powerful television I've seen to date. Update <2004-4-8 13:43:33 by Tom Schaller>:: The four women are: Kristen Breitweiser, Mindy Kleinberg, Patty and Laurie (sorry, didn't put their names on chiron again so I didn't get the last two, but I will try to find out). Breitweiser sounds like a typically confident NYC/LI native; she was giving Matthews a lesson. Update <2004-4-8 13:43:33 by Tom Schaller>:: Also, Breitweiser said she voted for Bush, and considered him her "biggest ally" but now believes he is her "biggest adversary." She calmly said she would "give" the Administration the fact that they could not prevent 9/11, but was miffed because of the subsequent stonewalling, and that they should not be taking credit for their candor now because it was only after efforts by people like her to force out any of this testimony. All four widows were asked if the president's and vice president's insistence on a non-public, not-under-oath testimony was motivated by a need to protect national security or because it was political. All four unhestitatingly said: "political."

http://www.dailykos.com/

One thing I'm getting tired of reading is the crap that the 9-11 widows got wide news media coverage. It wasn't until the shit hit the fan with the Clarke book that the news media payed much attention. The only journalist beside Gail Sheehy who paid them any attention was Phil Donahue when he had Kristen Breitweiser on last year before he was cancelled.

I'm glad now that these women are finally getting the attention they so richly deserve. I understand they provided much of the research to the 9-11 commission. That alone shows how much this cabal has been trying to hide the truth and how reluctant those in our government were cowed by them not to dig for it.

I hope when Kerry wins these women get a medal from a new Democratic administration.

[KoKo]

46. The Transcript of that Hardball Exlusive will be a Must Read! More

important than reading through Condi's trash. What the 9/11 widows say is explosive.

[ithacan]

69. where is the transcript??

I don't get cable and would love to read the transcript. What I'm seeing here is unbelievable!!!

Do you have a link to Hardball transcripts?

Thanks.

[Aries]

44. Kos has this too...

(I was really amazed to see Matthews feature the 9/11 widows sympathetically, and give their questions a fair hearing.
BTW, Matthews himself asked "Why is this the first time I've heard the title of that PDB given to Bush on August 6, 2001?")


http://www.dailykos.com/section/bush_admin

Hardball exclusive

by Tom Schaller
Thu Apr 8th, 2004 at 13:14:09 EDT

If you are near a television, go to MSNBC's Hardball RIGHT NOW. Four 9/11 widows are criticizing the Administration's handling of 9/11 and the stonewalling of the Commission like simply nobody else has...and certainly nobody else is entitled to. The single most powerful television I've seen to date. Update <2004-4-8 13:43:33 by Tom Schaller>:: The four women are: Kristen Breitweiser, Mindy Kleinberg, Patty and Laurie (sorry, didn't put their names on chiron again so I didn't get the last two, but I will try to find out). Breitweiser sounds like a typically confident NYC/LI native; she was giving Matthews a lesson. Update <2004-4-8 13:43:33 by Tom Schaller>:: Also, Breitweiser said she voted for Bush, and considered him her "biggest ally" but now believes he is her "biggest adversary." She calmly said she would "give" the Administration the fact that they could not prevent 9/11, but was miffed because of the subsequent stonewalling, and that they should not be taking credit for their candor now because it was only after efforts by people like her to force out any of this testimony. All four widows were asked if the president's and vice president's insistence on a non-public, not-under-oath testimony was motivated by a need to protect national security or because it was political. All four unhestitatingly said: "political."

[soleft]

49. Is this replayed at 7pm?

[Aries]

54. Matthews called it "very special coverage"

so there probably won't be a repeat in the 7:00 timeslot--although I expect a lot of the same ground will be covered, being the story du jour and all.

[BattyDem]

47. Wolfe too???

That's unbelievable!

[MUAD_DIB]

51. Heh heh heh...I like your fan graphic. Well put. : )

[booley]

52. Which shows American media can always be counted...

..to report the truth .

When it's already blatently obviouse and no longer has any risk in saying it.

That Mathews and some of the other media is attacking Shrub only shows how close to the fall Shrub is, not that media has suddenly remembered what they are there for.

[sendero]

53. re: the folks who are surprised at Matthews....

.... I've made this point ad nauseum, but what's one more time among DUers :)

The media, and TV especially, lives and dies by the ratings numbers. Post 9-11, the mood of the country being what it was, one was not likely to get eyeballs with this sort of stuff. The mood was one of pulling together, rallying around the flag and the president.

Things are different now. The charges against the administration are sensational. And people, having heard enough other information so as to be able to question the Bush* administration, will have less and less trouble getting mad at Bush* rather than the talking head when these sorts of charges are leveled.

Their quest for eyeballs, coupled with the herd mentality of the TV news media, might well result in a coming avalanche of stuff questioning Bush*. It really could happen. If it doesn't now, I'm pretty sure it will in the coming months.

[belle]

55. Agree with this. Well, specifically I think:

People like Matthews--like many of our politicians--may simply be as susceptible to the shifting winds of opinion as anyone else. Meaning: they feel and think the way the crowd feels and thinks. It's cynical, (ratings), but it's also genuine: they changed their minds, I do think it's possible. Ideally, you'd hope that people in that sort of position would be able to cut through the bullshit and tell the truth early on--and kudos to the few (Byrd, Dean) who did--but...so it goes. People are upset. It's getting just impossible to spin this anymore.

[RamboLiberal]

58. I'm encouraged that even O' Reilly is questioning

at least as far as Iraq. I'm hoping that the likes of Hannity and Limbaugh if they refuse to change their positions on Bush are going to end up looking like fools and discredited and only speaking to the ditto-heads and kool-aid drinkers.

[spooky3]

62. I agree. Fanning the flames to get viewers is what

Tweety's about.

I suspect he has some sympathy for the widows though. But I do not believe for a moment that he's changed his feathers.

[seabeyond]

65. i agree and further

as the widows pointed for hardball, the internet will help get truth out. maybe help hardball to actually log on and do some research. i am always surprised how much they dont know

also with aa on it is really going to open conversation. i saw it after the first week. gonna bleed into mainstream media

[DemoTex]

61. Matthews also said that the W-H is withholding 9/11 documents ...

I think he said that the W-H was withholding 69 9/11-related documents from the 9/11 Commission. Subpoena the documents before they hit the shredder!

[molly]

63. I have not heard 1 word anywhere about the put options

has anyone else?

[markdd]

67. 9/11 and options

I don't have a link, but it's out there somewhere. Franken touched on it during today's show. His staff found a link. Al kinda pooh-poohed the whole thing as a wild conspiracy theory since options require both buyers and sellers.

All I remember from the web page I found was that American (AMR) and United (don't know ticker) shares had options placed in the 285 times normal volume range. Delta was near normal. Data was supposedly recovered from hard drives found in WTC wreckage.:shrug:

[KoKo]

66. Set your VCR's for 12 PM est tonight for the 9/11 Widows Repeat! Don't

Miss it!

[Renew Deal]

70. 11:00 pm EDT, not 12

[AgadorSparticus]

68. yea, he was pretty damn good today! :)

his show was EXCELLENT!!!! a MUST SEE!!

[Rockholm]

71. Matthews Rocked all day long..

Hardball was awesome!

[Kolesar]

72. Shaggy Don Imus was croaking about Matthews this morning

I tuned in in the middle of this mornings' broadcast on CNBC (?). Imus was all pissy about something Tweety Matthews said last night .

[DaveSZ]

73. Use this segment in a Moveon commercial:

"I voted for Bush. I thought he would be my biggest ally. But he has been my biggest adversary in getting this commission appointed."



(If she'd agree of course)

[escapen]

74. If wishes were horses

Spare me. Matthews' first newspaper column after 9/11 was around the terrific "opportunity" Bush now had that Clinton didn't. Yeah, something to really sink his teeth into and exploit. One big, fun political game with 3,000 dead.

Don't kid yourself about him or Blitzer or 90% of the dumbed down press corps. It's show biz, baby.

Cape