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Edited on Thu Apr-08-04 08:55 PM by Selwynn
However, you may have seen <too much> of the destructive consequences of organized institutionalized religion to remain silent about... yadda yadda yadda. But, I have seen too many examples of extraordinary human beings who were extraordinary precisely because of their personal spiritual conviction.
That's the distinction I think you should be making. You might - maybe - be able to argue that all organized religion is inherently divisive and destructive, a kind of power and control mechanism, etc. Az said something along the lines of, when any group, religious or otherwise claims to have absolute truth, people will suffer. I agree with that statement with all my heart.
However to translate than into an attack on the value of personal piety or personal spiritual beliefs to an individual is an inappropriate leap.
I don't go to church, or belong to a religious "organization" of any kind. And I don't for the very reason that I actually share many of the secular, atheists, humanists criticisms of these institutions. And as I said I agree with Az 100%. However, if get up in the morning, walk out on to the beach and hear the morning ocean waves, the smell of the air and the wind and sun on my face, and if in this moment I feel connected to something beyond myself, and such beliefs motivate me to devote myself to trying to learn to love others more, be angry less, respect people more (sorry if I've been disrespectful at any point, I felt like my last email kind of was), and work for justice in this world - I challenge you to explain to me how that is bad - for me.
You mention Bertrand Russell, but choose not to mention my other quote from Dr. King. Dr. King was probably one of the most important men in the history of the United States, and his beauty of personhood and greatness of character was directly because of his passionate spiritual convictions. At some point I think a "rational" person has to accept that personal spiritual beliefs works very well for some people, and its probably very good that they've discovered that particular language through which to express reality. And it does not work as well for others, and they should not be coerced by any "institution" to use religious language against their will.
You have to make room in your world for people like me, who don't fit into your preconceived notions about religion. For example, before you read further, stop for a second and answer this question before reading: What is the definition of being "religious?" Have you answered? Great. Now here is my answer:
Being religious means asking passionately the questions of the meaning of existence, and being willing to receive true answers, even when those answers hurt.
That is a quote from a "mentor" of mine, Paul Tillich. Your reaction might be, "that's not religion at all!" but I believe it is, it is for me, and if you hadn't realized some people defined religion in this way, you should think about that.
Let's try it again - you first, tell me what is your definition of "God?" Finished? Great. Here is my answer - my answer is a quoted passion from the much beloved (by me) Paul Tillich from a meditation entitled "The Depth of Existence" -
What gives the great classics of philosophy, literature, and religion their authority generation after generation is that they are the expression of a journey toward depth undertaken by sincere and concerned individuals or peoples throughout history. They hold out the possibility that an unexpected contentment with life can be ours if we follow them through the difficult but rewarding way to depth.
Those whose lives and experience have been imprinted in the great classics have all witnessed the same experience: they have found that they were not what they believed themselves to be, even after a deeper level had appeared to them below the vanishing surface. That deeper level itself became surface, when a still deeper level was discovered, this happening again and again as long as their very lives, as long as they kept on the road to depth.
What name then, can we give to this dimension of depth to being? The name of this infinite and inexhaustible depth, is God. That depth is what the word God means. And if that word has not much meaning for you, translate it, and speak of the depths of your life. Perhaps, in order to do so, you must forget everything traditional that you have learned about God, perhaps even the word itself. For if you know that God means depth you know much about him.
You cannot then call yourself and atheist or unbeliever. For you cannot think or say: Life has not depth! Life itself is shallow. Being itself is surface only. If you could say this in complete seriousness, you would be an atheist; but otherwise you are not. He who knows about depth, knows about God.
Your reaction might be "that's not a real definition of God!" But the truth is that you have so narrowing defined spiritual belief to mean believing in x way, about x things by x definition - and then you can criticize those things. Unfortunately, lots and lots of people don't fit into that neat little box.
And again, in closing, I say again that there should be a distinction made between the evils and corruptibility of institutional religious structures and the personal, private decisions for piety made privately in some individuals lives.
Cheers! Sel
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