Who here thinks that the Republican ticket will be different by November

[Prodemsouth]

if so how? Will Bush be gone or Cheney or both, or will it stay the same please explain your reasoning. OK to joke around but then tell us what you really think. The Guardian had a story that speculated Cheney could be dropped for Giuliani. It was an article about the guy running Kerry's VP selection. (Jim Johnston ??) This shows that Kerry must really think before he selects- even though he is being urged to select early. They could pull this rabbit out the hat after Kerry selects his VP. Cheney is a company man and will take a fall as long as he is protected. I don't think the religious right in a broad sense would stay home over Giuliani. I also don't think this Roy Moore run is going to go anywhere what do you think? We tend to think they are inverted versions of our Naderite left. I think they are much more sophisticated in their reasoning than that. These are some of my thoughts what are yours?

[Old and In the Way]

1. They sink or swim with Bush/Cheney.

Bush can't pretend to be President without Cheney. If either is gone, they are routed. A cult of personality has overtaken the Republican Party. They have no other alternatives to B/C, because no other viewpoints have been allowed. And what would a new Republican run on? The Bush-Cheney "legacy"? I really don't see much of a future for the Party and I think they know it. Demographics are skewing against them, the truth about their anti-American agenda is being exposed daily. That's why they'll do anything, I mean anything to maintain control of the Presidency.

[PROGRESSIVE1]

2. Plus if they dump Cheney it shows that the MisAdministration is....

unstable and weak.

[Prodemsouth]

3. But do you think having a star power like Giuliani can overcome that?

He is a Republican- He is from the same party. He was a big part of the 9-11 story.

[PROGRESSIVE1]

4. Giuliani's luster has faded away. People are beyond 9/11.

They still remember it but they do NOT want to see it politicized.
Giuliani(Swine): :puke:

[Null Pointer]

5. I agree

They won't dump Cheney because he's the actual President. Bush is just a figurehead - that's why he has to appear before the Comission with Uncle Dick.

[Kathy in Cambridge]

8. Welcome to DU, fellow Mass person!

:hi:

[Prodemsouth]

6. I think honestly- you don't like Giulani neither do I, but I don't think

most Americans feel about him the same way you and I do. Americans don't seem to be holding the politicalization of 9/11 against Bush. He is down from where he was but it has more to do over Iraq war than politicalization 9/11.

[PROGRESSIVE1]

13. Wrong. Remember Bushler's first ads with the "firefighters"...

they were really actors, people did not like his politisizing then and they will NOT like it when he goes to New York. in September.

[Prodemsouth]

15. I guess we will see. I hope you are right and I am wrong.

n/t

[BattyDem]

9. Problem is ...

during his last couple of years in office, Rudy got a bit "dictator-ish". He was TERRIFIC on 9/11 and I'm grateful we had him because we certainly didn't have any leadership in Washington, but he wasn't as popular with NYers as the rest of the country believes.

Of course, since most people don't bother to find out anything about a candidate - they just believe what the press feeds them - Rudy would probably win by a landslide.

[Prodemsouth]

14. What about the rest of the country? He would be running on a National

ticket, not Senator or Gov for NY. It would not matter even if he did not carry his home state ala Al Gore? As long as he pealed off enough states to help elsewhere. ( A side note I alway remind wing nuts who say Al Gore lost because he didn't carry his home state- it would only matter if he was running for Governor or Senator of TN, he was running for President.

[BattyDem]

18. That's what I meant when I said ...

no one bothers to find out anything about the candidates. The people on this website make an enormous effort to stay informed and uncover the truth ... but most people don't so that. The rest of the country would believe whatever the press tells them and Rudy would win by a landslide.

[Prodemsouth]

24. I know BattyDem. I was just reinforcing the argument you were making.

n/t

[BattyDem]

31. Oh, I get it now ...

Sorry, I'm tired. It's been a long day. :hi:

[Old and In the Way]

19. The Religious Right will have a big problem with Guiliani

He kicked his wife out of Gracie mansion and was shacking up with his girl friend while still married. Big problem with the fundies. I think they lose more votes than they pick up.

[BattyDem]

22. I thought that kind of behavior ...

was only a problem for them when it was a Dem involved! ;)

[Prodemsouth]

27. Again!!! See current Gov of California, Arnold.

worse in the thinking of the Christian Right than Giuliani. Pat Robertson and Rush sold him to CA's religious right they will surely be able to do the same with Giuliani with even less effort. They will talk about his fight with the museum and how The Square was made more family friendly. Very easy to sell Giuliani to the bulk of the rank and file religious right. You people keep making the same mistake that they are as idiotic or that they are inverted versions of the perfect candidate left that we see here. You are in for a rude wake up call once again.

[Old and In the Way]

30. Operative word: California

California is far more liberally socially then the Republican core states.

[Prodemsouth]

32. Huh, yes it is, but the religious right in CA is just as conservative. I

live in a state that is now core Repug. GA, Trust me they will have no problem selling Giuliani in the south with Bush. Note CA voters voted for the Knight admendment which bans gay marriage.

[Prodemsouth]

10. Who says Cheney will be out of the picture completely. He could remain

as a "special advisor" or something like that

[FlemingsGhost]

7. The Republican Party will be in chaos by November

There's blood in the waters...

[Gothmog]

11. Cheney may be off the ticket by Nov.

I have been convinced for some time that Cheney will not be on the ticket in November. It may be blamed on health reasons or he may fall on the sword for Bush. The Plame investigation in particular could be very embarrassing to Cheney.

The problem with this theory is that Cheney is the favorite of the conservative base. Rove is a strong believer in keeping your base intact. However, if it looks like the ticket is doomed, then I expect to see a change.

Rudy will not be VP nominee because he is out of touch with the RW base.

[Prodemsouth]

16. But will he cause enough of them to stay away. He is unknown to rank

and file Christian conservative types and he could be sold to them quickly- I point to Arnold in CA. Look at what happened there, Rush did an about face. Robertson came out for him and look who is in the Governors office. Like I said they are more sophisticated than what we call the the Naderite or more left leaning people who say they are Dems. Its not meant to be insulting to those people I have just found that to be true in last few elections

[Jeff in Cincinnati]

12. Should have saved the thread

Sometime several months back, I said that I would not doubt that Bush might not get the Republican nomination. I think that could still happen -- if the PDB is as damning as I think it is, and the RNC still goes to New York for its convention -- I think that the image of Bush as the sight of his most damning failure will be too much for the big money in the Republican Party to bear.

At very least, it may result in the cancellation of the convention.

[bedtimeforbonzo]

17. It will be Rice

taking Cheney's place.

[Old and In the Way]

20. LOL, now that would be funny.

They could run as the "Total Incompetance Team"

[scottxyz]

21. McCain / Lieberman ??

n/t

[BattyDem]

23. As Alice Cooper once said ...

Welcome to my Nightmare!

[scottxyz]

25. OK, how about Giuliani / McCain ?

Freedom of choice!

[Prodemsouth]

28. Abortion? McCain is anti abortion I think,

Would you vote for them if that is what you are talking about.

[TheWizardOfMudd]

26. Best case scenario, a tornado rips through Crawford this weekend . . .

and takes the evil moron out. ANYBODY ELSE heading the republican ticket would be better for our country and the world, because it probably wouldn't be the DICK.

[Dark]

29. Damned if they do, Damned if they don't. . .

If they do switch to someone else, they look unstable and risk losing a minor, but in a close race vital, base. If they don't, then they'll have no one to run for president in 2008, not to mention that for the majority of Americans they'll have nobody who is charismatic and believable on the ticket.

[seabeyond]

33. cheney=president

bush cant do it without cheney. bush isnt doing it, it is cheney