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Fri Apr-09-04 09:02 PM
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Sounds like Condi really did perjure herself. |
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Preliminary reports on that PDB coming out now seem to pretty directly contradict her testimony that it was only a "historical" document and there were no warnings of attacks within the US.
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Fri Apr-09-04 09:04 PM
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Fri Apr-09-04 09:06 PM
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Guaranteed
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Fri Apr-09-04 09:06 PM
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4. That's what I'm saying. |
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Put her in with Martha Stewart.
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Fri Apr-09-04 09:05 PM
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2. I really don't believe she thought they would |
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release it to the public. The committee members have it, but it is classified and even if they know she is perjuring herself, they can not take her to Court.
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Fri Apr-09-04 09:07 PM
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turn her and get her to start telling the truth.
Rubber hoses, dog cages, cattle prods, drugs . . . whatever it takes.
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Fri Apr-09-04 09:15 PM
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6. Send her to the American wing at Gitmo Bay. |
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Looks like the White House is going to let the hornets swarm this piece of rotten fruit so all the other bad apples can stay in the cart.
They've still got Colin Powell to pull out as a human credential.
And he's been recharging his virtue battery by being a little contrite by saying 'gee, if I'd known that...'
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Fri Apr-09-04 10:31 PM
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17. Gitmo is exactly what they deserve |
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until they are cured of the neoconservatism mental illness.
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Fri Apr-09-04 09:20 PM
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7. she did not see this coming |
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one can not be prepared for everything. I guess nobody in the Bush Camp expected to be asked to declassify it.
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Fri Apr-09-04 09:25 PM
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8. Her claim that it was a "historical" document .. |
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was ridiculous anyway! Are we expected to believe that the PDB - the Presidential Daily Briefing - would contain information that was no longer relevant? What did the August 7th memo say - "Hostage Crisis in Iran" :eyes:
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Fri Apr-09-04 09:42 PM
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9. And as always the last person heard is on your mind when polled. |
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People who did not see Clark think she tells the truth, but the lies are out there any how.
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Fri Apr-09-04 09:51 PM
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10. A crucial point of law here |
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...that you're all overlooking: perjury under oath is a crime, yes, but in political cases it only applies to Democrats. This is the well established "Republican Exception" widely recognized in our judiciary system. Obviously if it's a Republican, perjury is not something you'd want to prosecute for, and the case law wisely reflects that fact. Fortunately the media are not as uninformed as you all are, and so we can rest assured that no high Republican officials will be faced with anything so distasteful as a perjury accusation that is appropriate only for members of the other party.
We should all take comfort in the fact that, in these hard times, our system is functioning so smoothly and reliably.
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Fri Apr-09-04 09:59 PM
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Fri Apr-09-04 10:02 PM
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Why is CNN reporting that the White House is anxious for the PDB to be released?
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BattyDem
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Fri Apr-09-04 10:06 PM
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13. Because it's been "redacted" |
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All the damaging parts have been blacked out for National Security reasons. :eyes:
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Fri Apr-09-04 10:45 PM
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20. That's not declassification |
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That's government secrecy.
Makes me wonder about those UFO documents from the fifties! :o
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Fri Apr-09-04 10:08 PM
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14. wise up. you're either on the bus, or you're off the bus......seen this? |
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"This administration has provided unprecedented cooperation to the 9/11 commission." if Karen Hughes says it, it HAS to be true.
likewise with your quote
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Hell Hath No Fury
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Fri Apr-09-04 10:14 PM
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15. I think she is being set up.... |
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to take the fall for Cheney/Bush.
She's the only one under oath and on the record about the specifics in that memo and hers is the only testimony that can be help up to perjury charges.
Dickie and Georgie haven't testified yet, and can now adjust their testimony to fit the contents of that PDB.
I mean, what do you think Bush is doing in Crawford right now but practicing for his testimony, probably by conference call with Dickie.
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Fri Apr-09-04 10:53 PM
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22. Of course you're right - they're rehearsing him all weekend. |
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Condi was over-rehearsed. She stumbles because she's trying to stick so closely to the script.
We HAVE to SHAME them into testifying separately. They can't go in together. It's an outrage.
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Fri Apr-09-04 10:27 PM
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16. "No silver bullet" my a$$. |
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I thought silver bullets were supposed to be used to kill mythical supernatural creatures like werewolves.
No silver bullet was needed. What they needed to do was to pay attention to the massive amounts of warnings they received about impending attacks and then take the steps to prevent these attacks.
No silver bullet. As if that excuses her, at best, criminal negligence.
What a stupid, thoughtless thing to say.
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Fri Apr-09-04 10:37 PM
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18. It's called a strawman |
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Attacking an argument that nobody has made...
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Fri Apr-09-04 11:03 PM
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25. Condi doesn`t want a silver bullet to be found. Monsters like her |
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and her court installed boss would be doomed by a silver bullet. And they know it. Even with the corporate media blaming their evilness on the last real Presidents penis. They still could not survive a silver bullet with the truth etched on it. Thus her pitiful performance. The silver bullet reference is a subliminal message. Still trying to scare people into supporting Bu$h Inc.`s war crime. I immediately asked myself. What werewolf was the cheerleading, C average student trying to capture? His mother maybe? Peace Wildman Al Gore is My President
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Fri Apr-09-04 10:44 PM
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19. I could tell by the look on her face. When told about declassifying |
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of the PDB. That she was not eager to have that thing declassified. Someone without something to hide would have said: "Of course the American people need to know that the resident was on top of that memo and made sure all the airlines and fighter jets were on alert for hijackings" She kept saying that she came there to answer questions. She did not say that her answers were going to be designed to continue to hide and or obscure the truth. But that was her purpose. And I would guess that 85% of the people reading DU everyday knew it. Peace Wildman Al Gore is My President
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Fri Apr-09-04 10:46 PM
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21. Correct me if I'm wrong |
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I think the whole committee has seen the whole memo already. We're waiting for a redacted version that will be released to the public. There aren't going to be any big surprises. There's another thread here that refers to Bob Graham making comments on the memo 2 years ago.
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Fri Apr-09-04 10:59 PM
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23. I think Bob Graham said that |
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he'd seen a summary of the memo, and that summary is in the joint Congressional Report.
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Fri Apr-09-04 10:59 PM
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based on information up to August 5, 2001. No perjury charge here. Move along.
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Fri Apr-09-04 11:06 PM
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26. I guess it does depend on what the definition of "historical" is |
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Edited on Fri Apr-09-04 11:06 PM by Must_B_Free
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Fri Apr-09-04 11:06 PM
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I've tried to find an instance of perjury, but I doubt there was. From what we know from public sources so far it looks like she was well briefed... 500 lies but no perjury. (Condi has little business being NS adviser but she's a terrific student.)
Saying the 06 AUG PDB was "historical" doesn't rise to perjury insofar as May was already history by August. It's just a gigantic lie. What was generally missed throughout the Clinton scandals was that the poor bastard actually didn't perjure himself--it's fairly easy to lie under oath without committing perjury.
The only Condi curveball was when Ben-Vineste asked if she had told Bush there were al Qeada cells within the US. It obviously hadn't come up in her practice sessions so she lied, saying she didn't recall. That was the one conscious misstatement of material fact I saw, but "I don't recall" is pretty safe territory. During Watergate there were witnesses who said "I don't recall," and "I have no recollection" so often it became a running gag in Washington.
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