Bush's neglect killed the people in Tower Two

[SoCalDem]

I heard a guy on the radio last night, on Bernie ward's show, I think.. He had a friend who died in the 2nd tower.. The guy apparently called his wife or mom, and said that a plane had crashed into the other tower, and they were told to "sit tight".. They were standing at windows, watching it... in no particular hurry..

This guy maintained that IF the public had been warned that there "might" be a terrorist attack , and it MIGHT involve sky scrapers (WTC in particular , because it had already been hit once), that he had NO DOUBT that his friend would have "connected the dots", and most, if not ALL of the people from Tower Two would have made it out in time..BEFORE the second plane hit..

Bush did not want to "alarm" anyone because it would have caused people to be skittish about flying, and that would have affected the airlines bottom line.. Remember .....that was one of the first orders of business afterward.. Getting a big fat bail-out and absolution of lawsuits for the airlines.. THAT'S who he cared about..BUSINESS...not people...

This guy was practically in tears, because he knew that his friend died for nothing...

[tom_paine]

1. Probably true. Sad and disgusting, if so.

Yes, undoubtedly the Busheviks dropped the ball on so many levels simultaneously, one has to wonder if it was intentional or not.

Indeed, if the PNAC Theory of LIHOP holds true (and I'm not saying that is 100% certain), the Busheviks probably like the idea of an unwary surprise, the mor unwary the better.

The more we were stunned, surprised, shocked, horrified, the more we would be liable to hand over our Liberty.

LIHOP, which is looking more and more likely each and every day as more that was speculated upon and called :tinfoilhat: is being revealed as true true true, would be "more effective" for them

:-( :-(

Would that it were not so. The evidence is mounting that our worst fears are true.

And they are going to get away with becaue they know no one dares go there.

[SoCalDem]

2. LIHOP is not even necessary here..

because even if he did not know where or when or how, he should have issued an alert anyway, and IF something happened, people would have been likely to make the connection on their own.. It would have let HIM off the hook too..

He's just been so used to always having "things work out" for him, that I doubt if he ever took any of it seriously..:(

[tom_paine]

3. That's the generous assessment

Frighteningly enough, I think it is not the correct one.

These people are the scariest fuckers, full of intelligence, evil cunning, and certain they are Superior Beings, which gives them license to do anything they'd like to us Serfs.

To me, I think LIHOP is a 90% chance of being true (particularly AFTER Rice's Testimony).
MIHOP=20%

[The Traveler]

6. By the time the second tower fell

I was wondering, "Is this a fund raiser?" I am one of those nasty, suspicious, paranoid types, you see ... but only because I worked in Washington for 10 years.

Time went on. I saw a "zero" president become exalted on TV. The nation was galvanized. If it had been a fund raiser, I observed, it had been successful. But (partly because I know I AM a little paranoid) I resist the LIHOP theory. I need evidence. You see, I am also a sceptic.

Well, the evidence, it seems to me, is starting to really mount. And I see nothing in the moral character of the man or his associates that would cause me to believe it impossible on that basis. Please observe a decision to "let it happen" could have been made a few levels below cabinet level ... but not many. GWB is clearly clueless about many things ... he could have been clueless about this. Cheney ... now that's another matter entirely ...

Reluctantly, I have come to think some PNAC deluded bastard decided to let it or help it happen.

[aquart]

4. Doesn't have any trouble making us skittish about flying now.

[SoCalDem]

5. There's always the possibility , too

that if he had put warnings out (like Clinton did at Y2K), the hijackers might have scrapped the idea.. If there was a hint at airplanes beiing used, the people at the airport, might have intercepted them, or the FBI/CIA people who knew, could have come forward with the pieces of the puzzle that were missing..

Bush could have been a real hero, but he wimped out..Just like dear ole dad.

[tridim]

7. All they had to do was call security at tower II

and have them pull the fire alarm. If they had made that call most of the victims in Tower II would be alive today. Apparently The Whitehouse wanted more Americans to die to maximize the "New Pearl Harbor" effect. Sick stuff.

[dogonarug]

10. Pull the fire alarm?

Hi-rise life safety systems don't work this way unfortunately.
Evac notice is provided through speakers, a prerecorded evac message is sent to the speakers of the floor of alarm, along with the floor above and below...this is to keep the stairwells from being flooded with all the occupants at once (think 93WTC... fire control room was demolished,no power,no system...all the occupants in the stairwells at the same time, no exhaust fans, smoke rising in stairwells=panic!) They would have had to manually evacuate on a floor by floor basis which would have taken substantial time...maybe an hour or more. Hi-rise fires rarely involve more than one or two floors and usually are extinguished quickly by shutting down supply fans and turning on exhaust fans thereby starving the fire.

[Bombtrack]

8. Exactly, they were negligent and incompitent, NOT COMPLICIT

At least, there is close to no chance they could have been complicit, and there is nothing to show that there could somehow be some huge cabal of people in the highest reaches of government capable of premeditated genocide. And no, being involved in wars and conflicts are not the same thing as first degree genocide against thousands of innocents and a national tragedy against ones country.

This is a pretty much half and half fringe/non-fringe website, so of course people with our assessments are often branded as sheep or whatever because we don't believe everything the counterpunches and whatreallyhappened.com's of the world put out there.

[Old and In the Way]

9. Incompetence only gets you so far.

How to explain 52 minutes between WTC#2 and the Pentagon crash? No fighters even on the scene.

We know the motive - "Pax Americana" and Iraqi Oil (see secret energy meetings). And we know what they felt would get the Pax Americana Century underway, a modern day "Pearl Harbor".

I'd like to think it is pure incompetence, but their total lack of action to address the "gathering threat" and the fact that no one has been reprimanded, fired, or held accountable for what happened 9/11 just is too much incompetence.

I flew 175 on 8/2 from Boston. If I had known that there was a major chance of hijacking and crashing into buildings....I might well have reconsidered my plans. Airline profits, be damned.

[keithyboy]

11. BINGO!!! You have identified what the Commission should be looking at

What the hell did Bush do when he had a chance to do all that he could?
After the first tower...where the hell was the crisis team? Were any planes scrambled at all?

[Neecy]

12. I totally agree

The deaths in Tower 2 were needless.

Even if Bush* hadn't wanted to put out a public alert, you'd damned well think they'd brief high police officials in major American cities about the high threat level.

If NYPD knew that an attack in the country was imminent, they might have taken measures to evacuate WTC 2 - at least the upper floors, given where WTC 1 was hit.

Not notifying the public is one thing. To leave the police in our largest city without a clue is indefensible.

[SoCalDem]

14. Clinton & his people put out lots of information about Y2K

and was ridiculed by the repubes for being "alarmist".. I remember articles about terrorists possible using a Y2K vulnerablility to "try something".. Coming so soon after the Cole, these warnings at least merited SOME coverage.. It did not need to be a RED ALERT, just a heads up that the same people who were suspected of the Embassy bombings and the Cole, have indicated that they have "cells' here, and that they have a proclivity for airplanes and tall buildings..

People would have been able to make the immediate connection, and lots of lives would have been saved...or the whole thing would have never happened, because the terrorists USED the lack of national focus, as their greatest asset..

The FBI would have probably gotten MORE tips if the general public had been informed..

[DoYouEverWonder]

13. The 2nd Tower and the Pentagon were hit because

the COMMANDER IN CHIEF of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, thought it was more important to continue reading a book about goats.