I feel justified calling these fuckers nazis.......

[mopaul]

and I've been called down on it before here, but i still believe that many of the actions these men are taking are right out of the nazi handbook.

i know, i know, bushco hasn't killed millions of people...yet, just many many thousands, but the comparison to nazis stands. nazis ruled by fear and intimidation and robbing the treasury and mind control and invasions and the new religion of nationalism.

and the fact that senator prescott bush, jr.'s grand daddy, knew, and helped finance hitler, even after it was made a crime makes it surrealistically bizarre. g.h.w. bush, and g.w. bush have both inherited riches, sucked from the labor of slaves who were then erased like mere statistics.

we now treat people from afghanistan, iraq, panama, central america, and any other easy to overthrow country as the nazis treated the jews. the more arrogant among us see themselves as the master race, who's duty it is to live like barons on the beautiful surface, while the working class toils in the bowels of the system.

they use the horror of 9-11 like the nazis exploited the Reichstags fire, they tell us we have a sinister enemy, who must be pre-emptively taken out. they make obscene profits from the giant corporations whom we work for, they give tax breaks to the super rich, and they employ propaganda better than hitler ever dreamed of.

they made u.s. soldiers execute thousands of soldiers in afghanistan, some even put into boxcars with no ventilation to slowly bake to death in the sun, and then buried them in unmarked trenches, (mass graves) and then denied the whole thing. what a nazi-like thing to do to p.o.w.'s.

they storm into houses in iraq at 4 a.m. with rifles and screams and terror and they kill women and children indiscriminately. they only count their own casualties, but not those of 'the enemy', or the unlucky civilians.

they bellow about fighting terrorism, but they support dictators and terrorists all over the planet, and provide both sides with arms.
and they are now planning world war three for real. global domination. absolute imperialism. blind devotion to nation. barbarian and unnecessary military force. what more do they have to do to prove they are more or less nazis?

so if someone thinks i'm being too harsh, or unfair, or even just whacky for calling these fuckers nazis, excuse the hell out of me.

i've made a lifelong study of nazis and hitler and the amazing depths they sunk to. it's fascinating and it's extremely enlightening to study that period. and the things that have always struck me the most are the ease with which it was all done.

and i've always believed that by studying the nazis, we could prevent such a horror from ever happening again. but to my great grief and fear, i see it all happening again RIGHT NOW, and RIGHT HERE, in america. i see it, a few others see it, but the vast majority of us are as blind as the german people of the 1930's.
i wish i could scream it at the top of my lungs, 'the nazis are here! the nazis are here! but i would just be laughed at, and scolded.

achtung baby

[GhengisKhan]

1. Fascism comes to them so easily.

they share many ideals of Nazi's without even knowing it.
Fascism crept up on the German people until it was too late and they were in it's grip.

eternal vigilance is needed.

[Amerpie]

2. Parallels

We have demonized (and rightly so) the Germans of the Nazi generation. I think we need to remember that pre-war Germany was a society that in many way paralleled out own. The mindless nationalism, support for a spuriously elected leader, culture of military obedience don’t exactly mirror the modern US but there are similarities.

[BostonTeaParty04]

3. Actually, Bush will be responsible for millions of deaths

think about the number of people across the fifty united states who lost their healthcare? How many states had to cut back on their state-sponsored healthcare? How many people on public assistance won't get their organ transplants?

Or how much depleted uranium has been dropped on Afgh and Iraq (and whoever the next victim of the PNAC warmongering)? How many deaths will that amount to?

Or how many Haitians have been slaughtered by 'rebels' based on our sponsoring and supplying killers to overrun that country?

Or how many people will have eaten BSE-infected beef? (Veneman just ordered a company to NOT test every cow they have! They aren't ALLOWED to ensure total safety.

Or how many people will die of hunger or whatever in California because dick cheney's energy task force met and gave the green light for energy companies to soak Californians in a fraudulent scheme? that huge deficit in Calif equates with real people losing their jobs and homes and healthcare. That causes an earlier death for some than what might have been.

Or putting the brakes on AIDS assistance in Africa. Hell, let's not *even* go into our impact on Africa! The lack of support to squelch genocidal civil wars. The refusal to allow CONDOMS, for god's sakes. etc. etc.

All of the policies of this evil, evil, evil regime has a direct and many times, deadly, impact on real people, and of course on the earth and the ecology and the animals.

Oh, I think it's safe to say that Bush and his band of terrorists will have been responsible for more deaths (some very slow and very painful and very miserable) than stalin, hitler and pol pot together.

that's beyond NAZI in my book!!!

[Deja Q]

10. Not to forget his removing restrictions on water quality...

Arsenic and all... x(

The hideous monster in office* doesn't care about human life. That much is so obviously clear...

[BostonTeaParty04]

18. No kidding... the atrocities are endless

We need a signature disclaimer that says: "when listing bush crimes against the people, animals and the earth, the above list is in no way exhaustive!"

Bastids! (use boston accent)

[tom_paine]

24. You got a link to the Venneman Story?

If true, I want to send that out over e-mail!

Oh, and sorry BTP04 (LOVE that monniker :thumbsup: ) but even with all that, it still doesn't make them worse than Nazis. Not even close to being worse. Read some of what the Nazis did...the wholesale slaughter, the horrific experiments, the sheer VOLUME of evil.

No way, IMHO. You go too far.

:thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:

[BostonTeaParty04]

38. Looking for link.....

It has been referenced here on DU today (I can't use a search function till I send some cashola in).

Hey, the nazis didn't start their 'wholesale slaughter, horrific experiements" on Day 1, ya know. Bushco has merely just begun. Just as Hitler had to get a running start on his methodical application of sheer evil.

I am not going too far. It's merely a matter of how far we will let Bushco go.

[TN al]

4. I've been calling them nazis...

...since bush I. I guess I am just a leading indicator.

[Dark]

5. I've found a way that they're not like the Nazis. . .

The nazis didn't let the common masses have firearms. Bu$h and his 2nd amendment cronies want to ensure a magnum in every infnat's hand.

[seventhson]

8. No, the Nazi Youth got guns

to kill Jews and others

Thery only gave guns to their Reich wing followers.

Just like here...

[tom_paine]

15. Thanks to the Founding Fathers, that's not quite true

Now that more Liberals understand the virtues of the 2nd Amendment as it relates to Tyranny Deterrance and Impediment (just the idea, before a single shot is ever fired), perhaps more will seek to arm themselves.

And May God Help Us if it comes the day when we should ever be forced to use them.

Think about it.

[BostonTeaParty04]

19. good point. I think all liberals should get guns

And I think we should all do it in the same week - in unison. Send a message.

[tom_paine]

26. Bad idea, considering Total Information Awareness

You need to start thinking like a citizen of a Third World Country (at least until November, I hope) with a Secret Police.

'Cause guess what?

We ARE.

At Least until January 2005.

[BostonTeaParty04]

39. Well, I live like someone in a 3rd world country....

may as well think like one too.

I sure wish we would get organized.

[tom_paine]

42. We are organized. The key is the 2004 "election" upcoming

for a start, and then there is more work to do.

get active, pass out leaflets, talk to people, write Bush Lie$ on money, donate to Kerry if you have no money volunteet your time to Kerry!

Do something, don;t just sit and bitch. Get a stack of voter registarion forms. Pass them out to like-minded friends. Wake people up, explain the Lie of the "Liberal Media".

Give the old Paul Revere! Judging by your monniker :toast: :beer: you know what I mean.

If you are speaking beyond that, to violent or other illegal solutions, unfortunately I have nothing more to say to you on this topic (but would be happy to dicus other topics).

"Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent."
--Isaac Asimov

[seventhson]

6. Reichstag Fire was 9-11 and EXACTLY out of the "Der Fuehrer" playbook

Read Konrad Hedien's "Der Fuehrer" (published in 1944) and look at his explanation of the new global technological fascism used by the bankers who financed Hitler from Blackops to the Reichstyag Fire.

Now that we know the Bushes and Rockefellers et al were financing this treason as far back as the Reichstag Fire (blamed on the socialists to justify suspending the constitution and giving the Fuehrer dictatorial powers DEMOCRATICALLY (it was approved by a vote of their democratically elected Legislature)- is there any doubt about not only the parallels but the CONTINUITY of a Fascist agenda from 1933 to 2003 which has as its chief architects the Bush heirarchy?

We ARE the German people of the 1930's. We gave followed like obedient zombies to war and hate and conquest.

Some of us complain -- but most of us just throw up both ouyr hands and say "wait til next election".

It is scary.

Let us pray the next election puts these criminals out of power for good

[tom_paine]

16. Agreed.

[Deja Q]

7. They are the antithesis of America...

But we're by, of, and for the corporation now. Bush, Reagan, and the other vermin are their heroes. They're against society but for themselves. And that's sick.

[kalian]

9. They're on the SAME SIDE of the political spectrum....

therefore, its very easy to slip into "nazi-like" behavioral patterns.
Another thing, it doesn't take the killing of millions to justify
calling somebody a "nazi". There are many other actions that warrant
the same title.

1930s Germany is alive and well here in the USA...unfortunately.

[Tyler Durden]

11. Remember the song on Mike Malloy's 1984/Bush broadcast?

The last line was:

"There won't be any peace on Earth 'til every Nazi dies!"

Truer words never spoken. I wish I had a copy of that song to play out my windows at full volume.

[riverwalker]

12. I think of them as Nazis too

I have no doubt, none, that given an opportunity Cheney, Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, the whole cabal would do the same. They are cut from the same cloth. It's the checks and balances in our system that have slowed them down that they want to destroy. Thats why John Dean's book is so valuable. It explains how Cheney actually despises our democracy and wants to dismantle all our built in safeguards against fascism, to create an Imperial Presidency.

[ret5hd]

13. i never dissed you for it...

cause i agree

[tom_paine]

14. You ARE justified, mopaul

You know, dude, when people like you and me from very different sections of the political spectrum, Left-Center and Hard Lefty (and there are more and more RIGHT-center people coming around to see it) are in such agreement, it's very likely that it's true.

Circumstantial I know. But, as we often said here before, Bunnypants* IS a uniter. He unites people of disparate backgrounds in defense of Liberty.

By the way, mopaul. Love your work.

:toast: :toast:

I'm sure we would have some spiritied disagreements if we were to sit down and compare ideas, but that doesn't matter right now.

Right now we are united in common cause, during this time of emergency. Afterwards (if there is an afterwards for the Old American Republic), we shall settle our differences in the Old Way, by trustworthy voting and spirited, yet civilized debate.

Hopefully those days will return.

And I agree with you that we are dealing with "kinder and gentler" (and multiracial) Nazis.

[Parrcrow]

17. I am convinced

That, in the not too distant future, the term "Neocon" will replace "Nazi" and "Fascist" in common parlance. It will mean the exact same thing.

[Name removed]

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[DBoon]

21. Fascism has many faces

Not just Nazis, but also Mussolini's variety, Franco's Falangists, the Romanian Iron Guard, etc.

I think Franco's variety provides a better playbook for what's happening now. A valid election won by the left was overturned by force, the Falangists had the support of conservative elements and were paised as good christians, etc.

[Snoggera]

22. So what's the next step?

I agree with you.
Power was consolidated through trickery and treachery.
Manipulation of the masses of media-hypnotized people has been accomplished.
There is a focal point for hatred.
There is a constant war being fought somewhere, with consistent threats to expand it even further.
The economy is a shambles, and eventually they won't be able to hide the complete devastation. By then, it won't matter, though, because the US will have become essentially a third world country.
Those who question are labeled many things, but most importantly, traitor.
Those who remain either ignorant or in prostate fear are rewarded.
Citizens have been arrested and denied access to courts.
The social support system, implemented to assist those without has been, in every sector, weakened to the point of collapse.
The voting system has been rigged. The losers will win, and become inscensed that others will accuse their leaders of deception.

What's the next step? What will they "bring on" for the adoring masses to cheer for?

I believe it MUST be a more complete clampdown on dissent than has already happened. I have a great deal of concern for all who even print their dissenting opinions in cyberspace (think China - this administration loves China).
They have seen that brutal tactics (think Florida) win the sympathy of their followers, and raise their devotion to near hysterical proportions.

It is only a matter of time before mass arrests begin for what would, in a normal time, be considered trivial offenses. Charges will be trumped up. Lies will be spread. Communities and neighborhoods will be separated.

This is a dim view of the future, but if the playbook continues to be followed, and I think it will, there we will soon be.

Anyone agree? Am I just a pessimist?

[tom_paine]

43. The next step is focusing your energies on the task at hand...the 2004

"election".

Relax. Take a deep breath. Don't go down the rabbit hole of paranoia/fantasy.

Things are far from that bad yet.

Deep breath. It's ok. I've been where you are. It passes. Get a grip on reality.

Now go and read my post above, #42.

Buck up chum. There's a lotta life and hope left in 'er yet!

Relax. have a :beer:

[Name removed]

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[tom_paine]

27. Hope that was a dumb joke. However..if NOT...

Go right ahead, you Chimpy Little Dweeb, you Bushler Youth or perhaps Freeper SturmTruppen!



Nobody here has threatened a hair of Herr Chimpenstein*s head. Personally, I would dread any harm coming to the Cowardly Bastard because it will instantly be used as an excuse to disarm us or otherwise further enslave us.

Personally, I would say if there is ANY nut, Left, Right, or Center, considering assassinating the Emperor or physically harming Bunnypants* or any of the Bushevik Cabal in any way, to reconsider the consequences of such a foolish act.

Having said that, you are a fool and poltroon, sir. Go ahead and have the SS and OHS read this thread. No threats, just some concerned and patriotic citizens worrying and discussing about a situation which we thought impossible a short time ago, now more possible than is comfortable (not certain).

I have no doubt, in the days of Huey Long's demagoguery, these conversations took place at barbershops and dinner tables.

But this isn't the time of Huey Long. So go ahead, , and send this to OHS.

Oh, and by the way...


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(if you were kidding, please disregard and my deepest apologies for having mistaken you--- try using </sarcasm off> to let people know you're kidding)

[Lars39]

28. I hate to interrupt

such a good rant... :)

He's gone:

[BostonTeaParty04]

40. hey man, no one is threatening AL GORE

you know, the PRESIDENT of the united states!!

[mr blur]

25. Who said..?

"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders
of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple
matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist
dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no
voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders.
That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked,
and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the
country to greater danger."


It was, I believe, that famous Nazi Herman Goering, at the Nuremberg trials.

[DaveSZ]

29. I'm sad Kerry doesn't seem to believe in the 2nd Amendment,

but it's a minor issue compared to all the damage the Chimp has done.

I also see numerous similarities between fascists and Fundies.

[camero]

30. After reading about Fallujah

Anyone that says they are not Nazis is gonna get a serious smackdown. What is happening there is genocide plain and simple.

[Zorra]

31. Reposted flash animation:

Bush is not a Nazi, so stop saying that
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article1051.htm

[blindpig]

32. I have this fear

no, it's a nightmare, that perhaps fascism IS the dominant trend in human affairs at this time in history. That Hitler's Germany was just the first act. That the confluence of previous history, technology and the primitive aspects of human nature combine to grease the skids to hell. That we are a failed species. Please, please, please disabuse me.

[Karenina]

35. No can do.

There are MANY threads in the archives about the *cabal ties to the Nazis. If you really want to upset your tummy, check out Allen Dulles and the origins of the CIA. And of course there was that little matter of a few card-carrying brownshirts in *Poppy's administration. :sigh:

[blindpig]

41. the bigger picture

is what I speak of. Is fascism to replace repesentative government as it replaced royal absolutism(the emperor's imperium redux) which replaced feudalism in Western Civilization and so on. Little is inevitable but some things may be likely due to circumstances. I wouldn't be surprised if THEY saw it that way. Are rational, freedom loving people fighting the tide of history? Scary thought.

[Tinoire]

33. I had your back on that one MO

If Bush and his supporters aren't Nazi's, then we have learned nothing. Well, we already knew that part.

Looking forward to your graphics and glad to see you again.

[Astarho]

34. I wish I could disagree with you

but I can't.

Fallujah just the latest addition to the list.

[keithyboy]

36. When shoe fits...

I've got your back here too. You are right on.

[0007]

37. The barbarian and unnecessary military force is sure an attribute

that is evident.