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the ether Donating Member (209 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 10:12 AM
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Theologian Charges White House Complicity in 9/11 Attack
Edited on Sun Apr-11-04 07:54 AM by Skinner
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http://independent.com/news/news906.htm



Thinking Unthinkable Thoughts
Theologian Charges White House
Complicity in 9/11 Attack
by Nick Welsh

There’s nothing the least bit wild-eyed or hysterical about David Ray Griffin. In person, he’s disarmingly calm, and speaks in the unflappably precise and deliberate style of a lifelong academic. Which is exactly what Griffin is. A respected philosopher of religion at the Claremont School of Theology since the 1970s and longtime Santa Barbara resident, Griffin is now raising questions that even President Bush’s harshest critics are afraid to think, let alone ask aloud.
In his latest book, The New Pearl Harbor — released just two weeks ago — Griffin all but accuses the Bush administration of taking a dive on September 11 and giving Al Qaeda terrorists an unobstructed shot at the World Trade Center. According to Griffin, a case can be made that the Bush administration arranged the attack, or allowed it to happen. He is aware that he may be dismissed as a conspiracy nut, but given the “transcendent importance” of the issue, Griffin is willing to assume that risk and has taken to repeating Michael Moore’s line on the subject: “Personally, I’m not into conspiracy theories except those that are true.” I met with Griffin over coffee to discuss his book and the September 11 investigation. The following is an edited account of their conversation.

NICK WELSH:
Is there a smoking gun that shows the Bush administration knew 9/11 was likely to happen and did nothing about it?

DAVID RAY GRIFFIN: I think there are four. One is the fact that standard operating procedures for dealing with possibly hijacked airplanes were not followed on 9/11. Those procedures call for fighter jets to be sent out immediately upon any sign that a plane may have been hijacked. These jets typically get to the plane within no later than 15 minutes anywhere in the United States. And on that day, there were four airplanes that went for a half-hour or more after they were hijacked without jets intercepting them.

What’s the official explanation of that?
I’m afraid the press has not done its job. They have not forced government officials to explain why standard operating procedures were not followed that day, nor have they pressed the FAA (Federal Aviation Administration) to explain why they didn’t report these hijackings as they were supposed to. The official story is that were very late.

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grannylib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 10:20 AM
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1. My God...I will be re-reading this several times and then sending it on
as far and wide as possible....this is fucking incredible.
Well, not really, not knowing the PNAC goons and our manipulable little chimp-boy pResident, but still....
Holy shit.
Thanks for posting.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 10:20 AM
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2. I read this yesterday. It is really quit a nice summary of a few of the
mysteries of 9-11.
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RedSock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 10:21 AM
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3. he wrote an excellent book
his book is fantastic and a near-perfect overview of the main points of 9/11.

he uses Paul Thompson's timeline quite a bit.

glad to see he's getting press.

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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 10:57 AM
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4. just started it yesterday..
plan on tearing into it big time today.
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 11:24 AM
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6. Read it a few weeks ago. Pretty good, though
too much attention, I think, devoted to the no-plane-hit-the-Pentagon theory. That, I fear, is too much of a stretch for some who haven't studied alternative theories of 9/11.
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Howardx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 11:24 AM
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7. i read it too
i'd like to say i was shocked......
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Selwynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 11:10 AM
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5. If you don't know anything about David RG, he is someone I really respect
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democraticgator Donating Member (94 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 11:27 AM
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8. just ordered that book off amazon......... n/t
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soleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 11:32 AM
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9. He lost me on the Pentagon
Is the rest of the article worth reading?
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 12:47 PM
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10. don't feel lost about the Pentagon . . .
if you look at photos (some of them from the DOD) of the Pentagon wall BEFORE it collapsed, it's evident that whatever hit it wasn't the size of a jetliner . . . and then there's this . . .

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tlewis Donating Member (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 03:39 PM
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11. Additional Photos and Analysis

There's some more such photos and commentary here:

http://physics911.org/net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=3


And some interesting analysis with links to photos in this one:


http://physics911.org/net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=13


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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 03:42 PM
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12. what about that diagram?
The damage looks right to me.
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CANDO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 04:10 PM
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13. The damage looks right to me also.
Where are the people who were on this jet? They gave these people funerals. I presume they were able to find some human remains in the rubble. Ted Olson's wife was on this flight. Are these people supposedly holed up somewhere? Have some of them been eliminated for practical purposes? There is too much to this theory to be able to handle logistically for it to be plausible in my opinion. I do believe these attacks were allowed to happen, however. And that includes also believing the jet was shot down over western PA. I remember the early news accounts of people on the ground seeing other high speed aircraft nearby before it went down as well as the several mile long debris field.
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tlewis Donating Member (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 04:55 PM
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16. They're Dead, All Right

There's no question all those people are dead. But do we really know how they died?

Some theorize that the 757 made a low pass over the building as whatever hit the building struck.

The horizon is only about 5 miles or so away from you when you're standing on the ground. That 757 would have been going between 300 and 500 miles per hour, low and close to the ground. It would have been out of sight in a matter of seconds. Meanwhile, the Pentagon is exploding, drawing all eyes there.

That's the theory, as I understand it.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 04:40 PM
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14. This has bothered me as well.
"These walls were extra strong, and yet whatever it was went through six walls creating a hole about seven feet in diameter in the sixth wall. This had to have been something with a very powerful head on it. A Boeing 757 has a very fragile nose, and would not have pierced through all those walls; it would have been crushed by hitting the Pentagon. And given that it only penetrated these three rings, the rest of the aircraft would have been sitting outside on the yard. And yet the photographs taken just as the fire trucks got there — very shortly after the crash — show no plane whatsoever."

That picture has been published in a few 9/11 threads here. It is quite odd how a perfectly round 7-9" diameter hole in the "C" ring has no fuselage or engine sticking out of it. Something that large should have some large piece of the plane there. Instead, all you see is a bunch of small metal parts.
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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 04:51 PM
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15. I'm always amazed
at how many people just KNOW what a 757 hitting a building SHOULD look like.

The mere number of eyewitnesses who saw the plane hit the Pentagon is enough for me. People who deny it happened are not doing the LIHOP cause any favors by claiming something this preposterous.
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tlewis Donating Member (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 04:57 PM
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17. I, too, am always amazed
at how many people think eyewitness reports are reliable.
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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 08:51 PM
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18. Let's not be silly
this isn't ONE person saying they saw it.

This also isn't an eyewitness report identifying it as a 575 or any other type of plane.

This is a LOT of witnesses claiming they saw a large passenger jet hit the Pentagon.

I wouldn't rely on them to provide the tail number of the jet, but I don't think a lot of people would imagine seeing a plane crash into a building.
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