No, Democrats, don't justify this war! Daschle says it is justified.

[madfloridian]

Daschle says Iraq War justified.

http://www.aberdeennews.com/mld/aberdeennews/news/8401928.htm

SNIP..."But Daschle, the Democratic leader in the Senate, told reporters during a conference call that the war is justified because Saddam Hussein needed to be deposed. But, the Aberdeen native said, the main reasons President Bush gave Congress and the public for invading Iraq have turned out to be inaccurate....."

I am sorry, but this is not the way to go.

They refute Ted Kennedy's brave comments:
SNIP..."Both Daschle and Johnson were asked whether they agree with Sen. Ted Kennedy's recent comments that Iraq is Bush's Vietnam. Both said that while there are problems with the war, they can't agree with the Massachusetts Democrat's comments....."

Here they come....the official talking points from the DLC and PPI.

[EstimatedProphet]

1. This is why we're seen as wishy-washy

God we could still use Wellstone...

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12. Speak for yourself

I think you'll find "most Democrats" on this board aren't very wishy-washy...

[madfloridian]

14. Most of our leadership is .

I think that is what was meant. The leadership has led itself away from most of us.

[EstimatedProphet]

16. OK then

We need to get it back, in addition to removing *.

[madfloridian]

19. Yes, we most certainly do.

And we need to do it soon, before we continue on the remaking of the mideast and elsewhere.

[Amerpie]

15. Most Democrats on this board

Aren't elected officials either.

The party is too scared of being seen as "soft on defense" to be a real "Peace Party". The opposite of the right is not the center.

[spanone]

18. This is the same rationale that has thousands of citizens in jail

for drug possesion. No one wants to be seen as "soft on drugs" so we perpetuate the lie. We keep the "war on drugs" alive at the cost of billions, but it's a total whitewash.

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[Deja Q]

24. We Wellstones need to do more to slap the Daschholes back to consciousness

Wouldn't you agree?

The question is how to do it...

[charlie]

2. Too late

Far too many clambered onto that "it was necessary, Bush is just doing it wrong" bandwagon long ago. Expect more of the same from the usual symps in "leadership" positions.

[bemildred]

3. The entire ruling class has to take this position.

To do otherwise is to admit their corruption and incompetence.
You will be able to tell who is in and who is out by whether
they make excuses for this debacle.

[madfloridian]

32. I agree with you on that. It will also be the voices we DON'T hear.

However, it may be the voices we don't hear which will speak the loudest. Not a word from Dean since he was criticized for speaking out on Blitzer last week using the word Bushgate. Not a word from Kennedy since his "Iraq is Bush's Vietnam" speech.

I will be most curious as to which voices we do not hear.

[soleft]

4. The the main reasons were a lie but the secondary reasons

were cool?

Daschle is so scizophrenic it's frustrating.

[BillZBubb]

5. And people wonder why the Dems are always viewed as weak!

Our "leaders" can't even get this simple proposition straight. This is sickening. "Divide and lose", the Democrats perennial battle cry.

[Malva Zebrina]

6. no it is not the way to go. But Daschle is not the only one who thought

that way. In effect, he has justified Bush's actions.
This is totally unacceptable.

The war was unjust no matter what the outcome. It should never have happened by all parameters of human decency and justice.

By clapping for Bush because he got Saddam, people only reinforce the notion that Bush is a wonderful leader and it doesn't matter if he lied to his own people because wew got an evil man out of there with all those lies. So the people's opinion did not really matter at all, and neither did the opinions of virtually every religious leader, with the exception of the Southern Baptist convention

I have the uncomfortable feeling that Daschle has been compromised in some way--perhaps threatened by Bush or his minions. Certainly he cannot be this naive.

[madfloridian]

7. Add to this the Kerry advisors warning off Kennedy and Howard Dean.

It all fits like a glove, doesn't it?

Next we will hear all our Democrats falling in line.

[sampsonblk]

17. There they go again...

Dem "leaders" falling in line with Shrub again. This is a year of decision for America. All things being equal, which party would you choose? The party that stands for something (GOPers) or the one that is for whatever works politically?

We have to stick to our guns, or Bush is going to eat us alive with his lies. If the public doesn't agree with us today, then we have 7 months to convince them we are right. But cowardice is a recipe for disaster.

[seabeyond]

9. i think daschle must be afraid

from what i have seen in his behavior

[IrishBloodEngHeart]

10. Sell outs

These guys are total sell outs. We need leadership that fights the republicans, not coddles them. Daschle is a big wuss.

[AntiCoup2K4]

23. Abso-fucking-lutely correct!

Couldn't have put it better myself. Welcome to the DU zoo. Good to have another voice of sanity here.

[ozymandius]

11. Mother nature would have deposed Saddam Hussein.

The man was 65 at the time of the invasion and an actuarial nightmare. By this, I mean to underline the challenge of a 65 year-old man buying life insurance. No company would take a chance on him because odds are against that he would live to pay his policy in full.

[Atman]

13. The GOP got dirt on Dashcle from Hart "cleansing"

Think about it...no one has been brought to "justice" for the anthrax mailings. Yet, the GOP shut down the Hart Senate Office building, with no one able to get their stuff out, for six weeks. SIX WEEKS of unfettered access to every drawer, file cabinet and computer in that office building, while "cleansing" the place of a white powder we have no way of knowing was actually real.

Shortly thereafter, Daschle rolls over like fat puppy. He drops out of any thoughts of running for prez, he completely backs down on criticizing Bush. And he wasn't the only one.

Call this tin-foil hat stuff, but THINK ABOUT IT...six weeks alone, completely alone, to scour the DEMOCRATI's Senate offices. And now look at the castrated Daschle. I'll keep my tin foil hat on for this one. I

[AntiCoup2K4]

28. I think there's truth to that, one way or the other....

Either they dug up something on him in the office "cleansing" or it was the Anthrax threat itself which made him a total pussy. And there's always the possibility that Tom Brokaw and others in the media who were targets of the anthrax mailings reacted the same way resulting in their Bush ass kissings.

Not that I excuse any of them for their dictator appeasing in either case. Even in my own workplace we had to sit through lectures about the theoretical possibility of anthrax in the mail, letter bombs and all that shit at a time when all of us were still in psychological recovery from 9-11-01. I didn't let it takeover my mind, and I certainly don't have the security in my workplace that a Senator or a news anchor does.

Bottom line : Hey Tom? Why don't you grow a pair!

[wildmanj]

20. daschle

both dems and repugs are swilling from the same trough---wings of the same bird of prey

[leesa]

22. Well, I believe many Dems are FOR this war. They want to steal the oil

as well. But stealing is bad so they play these lying games to make it seem OK. Daschle WANTS the oil wars to continue. Most of the Dem leadership needs to be thrown out because they are as indebted to their corporate masters and other international masters as the Republicans all are.

[Deja Q]

26. Very true

Well said too.

[donsu]

25. Daschle talks shit but bullets bounce off him - why?

what is keeping him untouched.

[Guaranteed]

27. Dems will keep losing until they grow a pair.

They never learn.

[madfloridian]

29. Daschle cancels trip to Iraq next week.

http://www.grandforks.com/mld/grandforks/8399772.htm

SNIP..."SIOUX FALLS, S.D. - U.S. Senator Tom Daschle has postponed a trip to Iraq that had been planned next week, saying a congressional visit would be an additional burden for troops who are trying to put down uprisings there.

Daschle, the Senate Democratic leader, had planned to visit Iraq with Senate Republican leader Bill Frist of Tennessee as a show of bipartisan support for troops there....."

[Skittles]

30. Daschle is f***ing spineless

he wore out his welcome a long, long time ago.

[porkrind]

31. Daschle needs to GO!

We need Daschle out. NOW!

Daschle is a Spineless, compromised, DINO, GOP sycophant lapdog bootlicker. Grow a pair, take a stand, and have some ethics.

War justified? WTF? He needs to retire NOW.

:wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf:

[Cascadian]

35. I agree highly.

Daschle must go including these wimps and charlatans.
Joe Lieberman (CT), Adam Smith (WA), Norm Dicks (WA), Maria Cantwell (WA), Dianne Feinstein (CA), Zell Miller (GA), and several others who's names escape me. Feel free to complete the list.


John

[sangha]

36. You may get your wish real soon

Isn't Daschle in a re-election bid this year? You may your wish. I'm sure Congress will be more anti-war once an additional Repukes gets there.

[Van Helsing]

33. Daschle needs to grow a pair.

Seriously. He's afraid to stand up to the Republicans.

We need someone to represent us better than Daschle. Someone who has a spine...who isn't afraid to speak up his/her mind...someone like Ted Kennedy!

[Cascadian]

34. Daschle must go.

I hate to say it but man isn't he wishy-washy! He flip flops worse than Kerry. What ticks me off is he went on a diatribe about not going to war and then what does he do? He votes for the damn thing. Wimpy Democrats like him should get voted out of office by a real Democrat. A fighter not a chicken.


John