Why weren't the warnings made PUBLIC?? Like they had all these warnings

[opihimoimoi]

and decided to let it slide for whatever reason, but at the very least, they coulda said something to us small guys.

"We have been warned by the FBI, CIA, Richard Clarke, France, Isreal, etc etc that something big is gonna happen in America soon. We got warned they(the Al Qaida guys) gonna use them airliners as missiles but we dunno WHEN. That is all."

If that warning went out, perhaps the first and second highjacking would not have been successful. A thought. But the fact is, nobody said shit.

[Rick Myers]

1. Asscroft got the word!

He and his family stopped flying commercial in July!!!

[opihimoimoi]

9. Isn't that an indictment of the scumbag? He knew but said shit?

Damn. And they want to white wash this with but "we didn't realize they were going to attack on SEPT 11th?"

Gimme a break

[MRDAWG]

22. He ordered Justice Dept to not fly commercial after 8/6*

*

[opihimoimoi]

24. HMMMM, I see, he got the warning and took care of HIS People, but not the

rest of us. How generous of him. How uncool to not tell the rest of the Nation.

I hope all of this comes out soon. and when it does, the shit gonna hit more than a fan.

[eyesroll]

2. We didn't have the colors back then.

Can't have warnings without all the pretty colors.

[AbbeyRoad]

7. Yeah no code magenta or anything

John Q. Public was on his own.

[opihimoimoi]

10. Facetiousness aside, screw the colors, we deserved some kind of warning

but got nothing.

[eyesroll]

27. Indeed.

But this administration seems more interested in packaging than anything else.

[opihimoimoi]

28. The packaging will be their undoing. They forgot the FOCUS is America and

its Citizens, not themselves.

The absence of warnings was criminal and uncalled for. People died for their ineptitude. We pay the price of listening to these Spinmeisters... in blood and Treasure. Why does a large portion of Americans continue to listen to them is an enigma which can only be explained by Delusion

Come, we go drink. I am sick people died for nothing.

[Veggie Meathead]

3. Try this for a reason. To invade Iraq, Iran, Syria and other

Middle eastern countries one by one to establish American hegemony,
they needed a "Pearl Harbor".Ignoring these warnings was a sure fire way to get the Pearl harbor they were dreaming about.

[opihimoimoi]

11. Yes, but at a cost of much treasure and blood. So much for

Compassionate Conservatism. These guys are in it for THEMSELVES. Screw the Masses, all we are for is to pay the Bills.

[htuttle]

4. Why didn't they ring up FDNY and warn them after the first plane hit?

How many people would have been saved in the South tower if the FDNY had known that the first plane was an attack, and there were likely to be more?

IIRC, they initially told people in the South tower to go back to their offices, since they were more worried about debris falling from the North tower at the time. If they had known that it was an attack, and there were likely more to come, would they have acted differently regarding evacuating the South tower?

[opihimoimoi]

14. Ed Zachary my point. No warnings has cost us much and now

no one wants to take the BLAME. Instead we get diversion and deflection/distraction. These Master Pubs are Cunning and clever in how to SPIN.

[leesa]

5. I know! I know! Because they wanted it to happen??

[opihimoimoi]

15. Yup, starting to come out that way. They wanted an incident to

bolster falling poll numbers and an excuse to hit Iraq, Iran, Syria, etc. They had eyes on the whole bowl of Cherries.

[Skittles]

6. there's certainly no shortage of warnings now

even though most of them are bogus

[opihimoimoi]

16. Closing the Barn Door thingy comes to mind.

Trying to look good and posturing LEADERSHIP? If this is leadership then tell that to the 9/11 families and our Troops..... I don't see it.

Leadership is when you prevent, not react.

[chookie]

8. Compare and contrast:

1) Dec 1999 Data suggests that terrorists are planning a high-profile attack within the US, timed to the massive celebrations on New Years Eve of the millenium. The President issues national and international alerts, and meets daily with different organizations of the government which contribute to our national security. Knowing to be on the lookout for creeps, a INS border guard spots a nervous looking Middle Eastern man, and takes him aside. Turns out he is a part of a major plot -- explosives are found in his vehicle, and investigation turns up his ties to Al Qaeda cells in the US and internationally.

2) Sept 11, 2001. Data suggests that terrorists are planning a high profile attack within the US. Agents of the organizations of our government charged with aspects contributing to our national security can't seem to get the attention of the President and National Security Advisor. A limited alert is given out, to individuals, and the FAA, who alerts only pilots and port authorities (to watch for people coming in -- too bad they were already here). A nervous looking Middle Eastern man is trying to board a plane in Portland, Maine, and is having all kinds of problems. A ticket agent, professional and extremely helpful, goes the extra mile to make sure that the hiccups are taken care of, and that the man is able to board his cross-country flight. His name was Mohammed Atta. Ooops. Gee -- maybe if people like ticket agents and baggage screeners had been alerted even that there was a "general" threat -- maybe Mohammed Atta and his pals might have been foiled. Hell -- maybe if the public had been issued a general threat, they would have been mentally and emotionally prepared for suicidal creeps on their flights, and not been so utterly taken by surprise, which was a critical element of the Sept 11 plot.

Opi, honey -- maybe Condi needed specifics, but if it had been *me*, starting in January 2001, I would have spent every day bashing heads together, getting to the bottom of what was obviously a major plot for a terrifying attack, and certainly would have issued a general alert by the spring of 2001.

It is flabbergasting that Condi's excuse is that her job is just so darned big and so darned hard to do EVERYTHING! I commend the families for having not skinned her alive last Thursday. When she spoke the title of the Aug 6 PDB, I don't know how they controlled themselves.

[opihimoimoi]

17. As the Families get more information as to Rice's utter disregard of the

warnings and inaction, they will be very hard to control. Their loved ones need not have perished had the warnings made public. It is inexcusable that Rice and the Prez did nothing to warn Joe Public.

[chookie]

20. I commend their control

Like many Duers, I have been aware of the existance of this memo and its significance since Sept 2001.

But it was still flabbergasting to hear Condi utter it's title in public. Can you imagine saying, "The title was something like "Osama is Going to Hit the USA Very Very Hard Real Soon" -- in the presence of people whose loved ones perished in the fiery rubble that day? For me, it was akin to my horror in watching the towers fall -- although I pray that never again will I or any person ever witness such a horror ever again.

My proposal -- in addition to jail time, I want Condoleeza Rice publically flogged, 3000 strokes, to punish her additionally for the outrageous audacity of her performance Thursday. I think that would be a good step towards national healing and "closure." Yes, it's a very nasty thing to be thinking, but overall, I don't think it's as nasty as killing innocent Iraqis; I can only aspire to someday emulate the level of control and civility that the noble families of the victims of that horrific day have shown to our nation and the world

[opihimoimoi]

21. It is very obvious Condi/Bush are in a Spin Mode and that

they actually believe their lies are truth. Weasels all, they hope to get away from this tragic failing by stonewalling and deception.

THEY OWED AMERICA THE WARNING. That is the simple TRUTH. The very least they coulda done was give us fair warning. Cheney was warned, why not the rest of us....?

[Corgigal]

12. The only thing I saw

personally, was the on the State Dept website calling for Americans to have a Worldwide alert. I never heard of that before. I check the State Dept's website from time to time now, just to see what they are doing.

[opihimoimoi]

18. The warnings had to have come from the top and in a general manner.

But since this never happened, we suffer the consequences. It is so strange Cheney flies all over the place in PRIVATE JETS 2 months prior to the attack. WTF was THAT?

[Cocoa]

13. bad for the stock market

and might hurt chances to get the next round of tax cuts passed.

[opihimoimoi]

19. The warning would have been bad for stock markets??

and Tax Cuts?

Oh boy, a real good reason? NOT!

[SammyWinstonJack]

23. Why would they want to warn us of something they wanted to happen?

Besides, Tommy boy didn't have his color coded terra lert chart up and running before 9/11. :evilgrin:

[opihimoimoi]

25. The absence of a warning give credibilty to the LIHOP concept.

I have to suspect they wanted something much smaller and when the Twin Towers went down, they went beserk with guilt that lasted about .0002 nanoseconds.

"Oh my God, WHAT HAPPENED??" Then all the focus went into a spin thing to deflect the guilt/responsibility. The Magnitude musta shaken their trees a bit. ... but they quickly recovered and realized they could actually benifit from this. And they did... until they decided to go for the MOON with Iraq. Its seems all about deflecting guilt from 9/11 and the failed warnings.

[loudsue]

26. Exactly, Opihi...

Nobody said shit to the American public on Bush's watch, but they sure did on Clinton's watch during Y2K. And the Y2K thing ended up in prevention and arrests because of the way Clinton handled it.

In fact, there are a couple of thousand people that DID NOT DIE at the L.A. Airport on New Years of '99/2000, simply because Clinton did his job!

:kick:

[opihimoimoi]

29. Nothing less than CRIMINAL. If it wasn't for the hearings we would NOThave

learned of the Memo on Aug 6 which has been revealed in the NYTimes on Page one.

They had the warning in Spades.

Clear and Present Danger. CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER...

result: Their people scrambled, Bush hid in Crawford, Ascroft told HIS crew not to take airplanes, but us, poor masses us....

we got shit.

How the hell they can sleep is beyond me.

[calimary]

30. GUYS: BATTLE STATIONS! CALL YOUR REPS on Monday!!

If EVER-EVER-EVER there was a time to make a stink about something - THIS IS IT. I mean, HOW MANY warnings of all kinds did they have? Obviously SOME people knew to stay out of commercial planes. WHY WASN'T THE PUBLIC ALERTED??? At least, to be on guard, or to fly at your own risk, or SOMETHING.

There's just TOO MUCH here that's frickin' FISHY. We MUST "Shake the Trees" with our reps, to quote Richard Clarke. "Shake the Trees!" Call your reps!! Get them ON THIS!!!

THEN:

contact SOMEBODY, ANYBODY in the media and demand that they dig into this. To avoid repetition and awfully long posts, The World's Greatest Lists of Contact Numbers/Addresses/Emails is in the following link:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1380003

[opihimoimoi]

31. I concur, this is crazy. Why didn't they warn us?? To not say anything and

let the attack occur is nothing less than criminal. To let good people die for the sake of looking good later is disgusting and nauseating.

Forget abortions, gay sex, etc etc. Those are distractions

The absence of warnings is where its at. This guy and his crew allowed an attack to occur on PURPOSE for reasons of self interest.

THIS IS SICK, beyond SICK...EVIL.

Come, I need a drink.

[calimary]

32. Come, have cocktail and sip while writing some Letters to the Editor!

OR making calls to some network assignment desk or editor or reporter or news director or writer or...

And, First Thing Monday Morning - calling your congresscritters TOLL FREE! See my sig line for details...

[TexasBushwhacker]

33. Not to mention the airlines

They could use the "we don't want to cause mass hysteria" argument, but to have this information and NOT warn the airlines so that THEY could step up security is CRIMINAL.

The game plan, FOR DECADES, has been to keep and expand our presence in the Middle East, whether by staying too involved in the Israeli/Palestian conflict, Operation Desert Storm (to protect and GET Kuwaiti oil) or our invasion of Iraq. A few thousand lives is NOTHING to them if it means we get access to the almighty BLACK GOLD and keep BIG OIL fat and happy for a few more decades while we pollute our air and don't bother developing alternative energy sources because oil is so cheap. I'm from Houston; the world headquarters for Big Oil. It is all around me and they will do anything, risk anyone, to keep their wicked machine going for another generation.

It's no surprise that they conveniently switched our "enemy focus" from Afghanistand to Iraq. Afghanistan has nothing but horrendous terrain and opium poppies. It's about the oil. It's about the oil. It's never been about anything but THE OIL.

[opihimoimoi]

34. I can understand OIL but at the expense of American Lives?

and Property?

These guys are Sickos, pure and simple.

That pdb is the smoking gun.. it reveals their inaction beyond a reasonable doubt.

[TexasBushwhacker]

35. Think about where they hit ....

Even though the White House didn't get hit because that plane went down in PA, Bush was conveniently out of town that day. I'd bet money Cheney wasn't in his office either.

Honestly, I think that even if they knew that the WTC was going to be hit, no one could have predicted that the towers would go down. That was the thing that killed the most people and caused the most devastation to businesses in the area. Still the total number dead, including the Pentagon and the downed plane in PA, was only around 3,000. How many died at the Pentagon, excluding the people on the plane? Less than 200. That's a pretty low number of casualties considering that the Pentagon houses over 25,000 employees.

[opihimoimoi]

36. Correct, relatively low numbers considering, but its the missing Warnings

that is the point/focus.

The BushCo failed us. Failed to tell us of the warnings which I think is crucial.

[TexasBushwhacker]

37. but that's the point

They didn't warn us because they knew where they were going to hit and that the "collateral damage" (ie. lives lost) would be relatively low. Think about what Clarke said. No matter how many times he told them that the Al Quaeda was the threat, he was told "wrong answer" and pretty much told to go find evidence that IRAQ was a threat. They wanted an excuse to send troops "over there". 9/11 provided the excuse.

Shortly after we were over there and had turned Afghanistan into more of a parking lot than it already was, they turned their focus to Iraq. Why? The make-believe WMD's. The GOP as well as way too many Democrats, bought it hook, line and sinker.