Freeper e-mail making the rounds

[JNelson6563]

Someone sent the following e-mail to my husband. He sent it to me and suggested a response. Anybody got anything handy to send back?

Worst president in history?
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> (The following appeared in the Durham, NC local paper as a letter to
> the editor.
> Please forward to all on your list as this will put things in
> perspective:)
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> Liberals claim President Bush shouldn't have started this war.
> They complain about his prosecution of it.
> One liberal recently claimed Bush was the worst president in U.S.
> history.
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> Let's clear up one point: President Bush didn't start the war on
> terror.
> Try to remember, it was started by terrorists BEFORE 9/11.
> Let's look at the worst president and mismanagement claims.
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> FDR led us into World War II.
> Germany never attacked us: Japan did.
> From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost,
> an average of 112,500 per year.
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> Truman finished that war and started one in Korea.
> North Korea never attacked us.
> From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost,
> an average of 18,333 per year.
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> John F. Kennedy started the Vietnam conflict in 1962.
> Vietnam never attacked us.
> Johnson turned Vietnam into a quagmire.
> From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost,
> an average of 5,800 per year.
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> Clinton went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent.
> Bosnia never attacked us.
> He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three times by
> Sudan and did nothing.
> Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions.
> Over 2,900 lives lost on 9/11.
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> In the two years since terrorists attacked us,
> President Bush has liberated two countries,
> crushed the Taliban, crippled al-Qaida,
> put nuclear inspectors in Lybia, Iran and North Korea without firing a
> shot,
> captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people.
> We lost 600 soldiers, an average of 300 a year.
> Bush did all this abroad while not allowing another terrorist attack
> at home.
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> Worst president in history? Come on!
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> The Democrats are complaining about how long the war is taking, but...
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> It took less time to take Iraq
> than it took Janet Reno to take the Branch Davidian compound.
> That was a 51 day operation.
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> We've been looking for evidence of chemical weapons in Iraq for less
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> than it took Hillary Clinton to find the Rose Law Firm billing records.
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> It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the Marines to
> destroy the Medina Republican Guard
> than it took Teddy Kennedy to call the police after his Oldsmobile
> sank at Chappaquiddick.
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> It took less time to take Iraq
> than it took to count the votes in Florida!!!!
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> Our military is GREAT! PASS IT ON.


Note how it brings up all the usual liberal boogey-men/women. Ugh. Pathetic.

Julie

[acmavm]

1. I'd just suggest that this person get a refill on his medication, because

obviously the delusions have set in again.

[BeFree]

27. Freeper email making the rounds

Yeah, and you just sent it round again.

Hmmmm, let's see, in less than 9 months you, JNelson*, have posted almost 7 thousand times, and you say time constraints have kept you from reading DU?

Wasssup with that??

[greatauntoftriplets]

2. As I recall history....

After Pearl Harbor, we declared war on Japan. Germany, because it was allied with Japan, declared war on us in response.

That's one point! Happy to have helped.

[mountainvue]

3. I guess my first question would

be how does this refute any of the claims that Bush is the worst president in history? It doesn't deal with his performance at all.

[cardlaw]

4. He forgot to include...

George H.W. Bush started the first Iraq war.
George W. Bush, his son, restarted the war for his daddy (and oil).
Iraq never attacked us.
Bush turned Iraq into a haven for terrorists.
We've lost 600 soldiers, with no end in sight.

[question everything]

10. Also, WWII ended up in peace with both Germany and Japan

being model democracies.

And... Clinton succeeded in containing Korea's nuclear power while Bush inflamed it. Going after "possible" WMD in Iraq while neglecting definite WMD in Korea.

And... FDR and Clinton joined allies in their wars while Junior went all alone.

Last, if they really want to doubt our involvement in WWII they must really be desperate. They must still hold the notion that Hitler was good as he contained Communism.

[Katherine2]

5. Freepers are idiots

First of all, Kennedy didn't get us into VietNam, Eisenhower did. And the US didn't start the VietNam conflict, we became involved in an existing civil war.

Second, the other examples they give were not wars started by the US. We joined in wars because we were attacked or to aid our allies. (I could be wrong about Korea though.)

As far as Clinton being offered bin Laden, that is silly. And as Condoleeza Rice has said, the political climate wasn't there before 9/11 to really bring force against bin Laden.

And I sure missed the crushing of the Taliban and the crippling of al Qaeda. When did that happen? I guess I was sleeping when the Republican Guard was destroyed as well. The last I heard we were fighting them this past week.

And as far as the 300,000 Iraqis killed by Saddam that are constantly put up as an excuse, weren't they the ones who rose up against Saddam with the encouragement of Poppy Bush, and were hung out to dry and then killed by Saddam? If 300,000 Americans tried to overthrow George Bush, wouldn't our army kill them?

I'm sure I could go on. ARGH!

[Skittles]

16. I guess I would end with

and all of this justifies and illegal invasion and occupation of Iraq . . . . how ???

[Mr_Lefty]

6. They forgot to end each point with "...and 650 soldiers are dead"

[creeksneakers2]

7. The billing records took longer because

If Congress gave the Clintons $900,000,000 to find the billing records I'm sure they would have been tracked down in less time.

[boobooday]

8. Rational people believe this . . .

Maybe . . . somewhere . . . none I've met . . . not this guy . . .



http://www.wgoeshome.com

[EstimatedProphet]

9. How many times does this have to be debunked?!?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1379852

I have seen this thing show up so many times on here I've lost count. Can't we stop this crap from going around? It's a pack of lies obviously.

[EstimatedProphet]

11. Also, as a response

you should suggest that whoever sent the email try reading something from time to time, because it's been debunked way too many times.

[cedahlia]

12. I got this piece of shite the other day too

From my husband's sister-in-law...who is your typical empty-headed- know-nothing-about-politics/history/world affairs-but-gee-I-believe-everything-ever-sent-to-me-in-an-e-mail-and-bush-is-god-types. I made the mistake of reading it at work and it got my blood boiling pretty good.

Anyway, I found this at Buzzflash (good debunker if you want to send a response back)

http://www.buzzflash.com/perspectives/04/worstpresident.html

[The_Casual_Observer]

13. I liked the other letter better, the one about the guy

in the restaurant who intimidates the "college professor type" that objects to the little American flags on the table.

[joefree1]

14. Wow, Bush has "taken" Iraq?

This week would suggest differently. Pass it on.

[sangha]

15. New slogan "Vote for Bush*. He's NOT the worst President ever"

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[jorno67]

17. Lets see

The war on terror and the war in Iraq are separate wars, combined, they can be called World War W.

"We've been looking for evidence of chemical weapons in Iraq for less
> time
> than it took Hillary Clinton to find the Rose Law Firm billing records."
Should read:
We've been looking for evidence of chemical weapons in Iraq for less
> time
> than we we've searching for proof of George W National Guard service records.

It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the Marines to
> destroy the Medina Republican Guard
> than it took Teddy Kennedy to call the police after his Oldsmobile
> sank at Chappaquiddick.
Should read:
It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the Marines to
> destroy the Medina Republican Guard
> than it took George W to destroy The First Amendment.

It took less time to take Iraq
> than it took to count the votes in Florida!!!!
Should read:
It took less time to take Iraq
> than it took to "count" the votes in Florida!!!!

[jmowreader]

24. It shouldn't say any of those things

Dubya didn't want to search for chemical weapons and he basically went through the motions. He wanted to go straight to war.

We haven't destroyed the Medina Republican Guard--who do you think is running the "insurgents"? They ain't insurgents, kids, they're the Iraqi Army that Bush cashiered.

And we haven't taken Iraq.

It's a quagmire over there.

[NickB79]

18. Constant references to 9/11, Al Queda and Iraq

When there is still NO evidence Iraq was involved in 9/11 or working with Al Queda. Bush admitted this on TV months ago, as did Powell and Rice.

Either the people who write this live in a cave, or they're delusional and in a state of permanent denial.

[Old and In the Way]

19. No doubt brought to you by the RNC.

Why do they hate America so much?

[JNelson6563]

20. Thanks everybody!

Great reply material! Sorry to have subjected anyone to dupe freeper e-mails. I didn't see them posted before, I miss a lot here due to time constraints.

Thanks again for the info. and the commentary all!

Julie

[BeFree]

26. Freeper email making the rounds

Yeah, and you just sent it round again.

Hmmmm, let's see, in less than 9 months you have posted almost 7 thousand times, and you say time constraints have kept you from reading DU?

No wonder you thanked everyone, they did the dirty deed of kicking this crap around DU for awhile.

[LeahMira]

21. Selective interpretations...

> FDR led us into World War II.
Germany never attacked us: Japan did.

Japan attacked us, and we declared war on them. Then Germany, an ally of Japan at the time, declared war on us.

John F. Kennedy started the Vietnam conflict in 1962.

Actually, Eisenhower began putting American troops into Vietnam.

It took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno to take the Branch Davidian compound.

Not quite. It also took twelve years of sanctions and embargos to weaken the Iraqi people through starvation and disease.

Selective interpretation of the facts... it's what comes of failing to read history and understand that nothing happens in a vacuum.

[revcarol]

22. Ignore the trolls.

that's all.

[Zynx]

23. Just because we could kick the crap out of a third world country, Bush is

supposedly great? Huh? Am I missing something here?

[wyldwolf]

25. so easy to debunk, not worth doing... again!

[kodi]

28. it was a republican president when 500K americans died in war

the civil war.

my remark has as much credence as the emailer's, and is about as pertainent.

[John_H]

29. I got this Freeper Email

Wahhhhhhhhhhh. We're losing. Wahhhhhhh. Everyone knows Our Preznit is a disatser.