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spooked Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 02:03 PM
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The Bizarre 911 "Coincidence" that proves MIHOP!!
The B*sh administration says they'd never heard of airplanes being used a weapons and flown into buildings?? Let's not forget the "WARGAMES" they had planned for that VERY MORNING!!

On 9/11, CIA Was Running Simulation of a Plane Crashing into a Building
http://www.thememoryhole.org/911/cia-simulation.htm

It was called Operation "Vigilant Guardian" Read all about it here:
http://www.oilempire.us/wargames.html

It was the perfect cover...in case anything leaked about the "real thing".
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 02:05 PM
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1. Ooops - you would have to mention that

"I think the American people--I hope the American--I don't think, let me--I hope the American people trust me."
- George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Dec. 18, 2002
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skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 07:03 PM
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22. Well said...


Here here!!
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worldgonekrazy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 02:06 PM
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2. I don't understand how it was "the perfect cover"
In fact, it seems quite stupid to me, given that the Bush Administration is still trying to claim they had no idea attacks were imminent in the U.S. using hijacked airplanes. This directly contradicts that assertion. So how is it "the perfect cover"?
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spooked Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 02:14 PM
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7. It was a perfect cover...
In case any plans for the real events on 911 were leaked. They could claim "Oh, that's just an exercise we're planning..."

ALSO...

It helped lead to confusion and a delayed response at NORAD. Iniitially, they thought the report of a hijacking WAS part of the exercise!!

from "The Failure to Defend the Skies on 911" http://www.unansweredquestions.net/timeline/main/essayairdefense.html

Lt. Col. Dawne Deskins figured it would be a long day.
Sept. 11 was Day II of "Vigilant Guardian," an exercise that would pose an imaginary crisis to North American Air Defense outposts nationwide. The simulation would run all week, and Deskins, starting her 12-hour shift in the Operations Center as the NORAD unit's airborne control and warning officer, might find herself on the spot.
Day I of the simulation had moved slowly. She hoped the exercise gathered steam. It made a long day go faster.
8:40 A.M.: REAL WORLD
In the Ops Center, three rows of radar scopes face a high wall of wide-screen monitors. Supervisors pace behind technicians who peer at the instruments. Here it is always quiet, always dark, except for the green radar glow.
At 8:40, Deskins noticed senior technician Jeremy Powell waving his hand. Boston Center was on the line, he said. It had a hijacked airplane.
"It must be part of the exercise," Deskins thought.
At first, everybody did. Then Deskins saw the glowing direct phone line to the Federal Aviation Administration.
- "Amid Crisis Simulation, 'We Were Suddenly No-Kidding Under Attack'"
by Hart Seely, Newhouse News Service, January 25, 2002
http://www.unansweredquestions.net/timeline/2002/newhousenews012502.html
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Aquarian_Conspirator Donating Member (148 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 02:20 PM
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9. Wow, spooked...
I never thought of that angle. I think your on to something, there.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 02:41 PM
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14. could also be part of a LIHOP scenario
same logic.

I'm a firm MIHOP'er though.
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Aquarian_Conspirator Donating Member (148 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 02:09 PM
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3. Doesn't prove MIHOP, But does prove LIHOP
I've seen this before. I think it's a stretch to call this proof of MIHOP. MIHOP, LIHOP, either one is treachery, and either one is punishable by death, but only one is actually proven to be true. I say we stick with that one.
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LZ1234 Donating Member (247 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 02:11 PM
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5. What does MIHOP and LIHOP stand for?
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Aquarian_Conspirator Donating Member (148 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 02:13 PM
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6. MIHOP = Made It Happen on Purpose / LIHOP = Let It Happen etc.
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Abe Linkman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 02:20 PM
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8. How does it prove LIHOP, but not MIHOP - since there's no difference?
This only proves the truthfulness of an assertion that the exercise was planned, and carried-out (apparently). In itself, it certainly doesn't prove MIHOP ... but it sure is suspicious.

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Aquarian_Conspirator Donating Member (148 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 02:26 PM
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10. There is a difference.
MIHOP implies that people in the government used agents planted in terrorist organizations to organize an attack. LIHOP implies that the terrorists planned 9/11 of their own volition, and that the Bush administration knew about their plans, but purposely allowed the attack.
The above article proves that Bush and Condi lied when they said that no one could imagine that terrorists would use planes as missiles.
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spooked Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 02:34 PM
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11. Yes, it PROVES they lied...
and WHY do they NEED to lie??

And what are the chances that the CIA would be running the exact SAME senario the very morning of 911?? I don't know about you, but I'm old enough not to believe in such "coincidences" anymore.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 02:47 PM
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15. Planes? What Planes? Where?
"Bush and Condi lied when they said that no one could imagine that terrorists would use planes as missiles."

If they're couching their words so carefully by "lying" about it, at this stage of the game, there must be oodles of underlying evidence around waiting to be mined.

All we need is for a if a high level official to talk!
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Ysabel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 02:10 PM
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4. fucking aye...n/t...
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Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 02:37 PM
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13. got LIHOP/MIHOP
...IMHO ...LOL...ETC what is n/t?????
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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 03:01 PM
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16. DU dictionary here:
http://dug.seattleactivist.org/

Defines a lot of the acronyms used here.
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Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 10:06 PM
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31. great!
thanks. How 'bout nm/t? (not much text)
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 02:37 PM
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12. I remember coming across that a year or so ago.....
I had completely forgotten about it! Thank you for re-reminding me.

Scary shit!
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pretzel4gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 04:08 PM
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17. the 'students' celebrating with the wtc ablaze in background!
remember that! a group identified as israelis(?) were partying it up while videoing the wtc horror behind them...some woman called cops, who seized video...shown on ABC news a few months after 911....
keeerist! these guys were CELEBRATING an event that supposedly sent the bushgoof running for cover (!) and the video clearly shows their JOY....yet the media slipped it by the people with less trouble then bush stole the election in first place.
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spooked Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 04:12 PM
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18. How's THIS for another "coincidence"!?
The CIA 911 "simulation" was called "Vigilant Guardian"

AND

The name given to a military operation in AFGHANISTAN in 2003?
None other than "Vigilant Guardian"!

http://www.centcom.mil/CENTCOMNews/Stories/05_03/2.htm

At the Fort Bragg site, operation "Vigilant Guardian" is called a "psychological operations". See caption under photo of afghans being given leaflets by an soldier.
http://www.bragg.army.mil/www-82DV/frwatch/MAY03/5-7-03%20FW.pdf

I can't help but think that these two operations,--"Vigilant Guardian" are one and the same.
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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 04:57 PM
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19. See you one coincidence, and raise.
Washington, D.C., Nov. 3, 2000 - The fire and smoke from the downed passenger aircraft billows from the
Pentagon courtyard. Defense Protective Services Police seal the crash sight. Army medics, nurses and doctors
scramble to organize aid. An Arlington Fire Department chief dispatches his equipment to the affected areas.

Don Abbott, of Command Emergency Response Training, walks over to the Pentagon and extinguishes the flames.
The Pentagon was a model and the "plane crash" was a simulated one.

The Pentagon Mass Casualty Exercise, as the crash was called, was just one of several scenarios that emergency
response teams were exposed to Oct. 24-26 in the Office of the Secretaries of Defense conference room.

On Oct. 24, there was a mock terrorist incident at the Pentagon
Metro stop and a construction accident to name just some of the
scenarios that were practiced to better prepare local agencies for
real incidents.


http://www.mdw.army.mil/news/Contingency_Planning.html





(from Eschaton)

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spooked Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 06:54 PM
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20. That's pretty hard to beat, but
How about the fact that Bush Sr. was at a Carlyle Group conference the morning of 911, and one of the guests of honour was Bin Laden's brother?

"On 11 September, while Al-Qaeda's planes slammed into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, the Carlyle Group hosted a conference at a Washington hotel. Among the guests of honour was a valued investor: Shafig bin Laden, brother to Osama."

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/magazine/story/0,11913,738196,00.html
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dbt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 07:27 PM
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25. Yo, spooked! Poppy and Bar spent the night of 9/10 in the WH!
That little gem could once be found at cbsnews.com, but has become damned hard to locate in the last few weeks. I don't know what their presence meant on the night before Dim Son let the planes fly unchallenged--but it gave me the Galloping Willies somehow.

:hi:
dbt
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spooked Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 08:41 PM
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30. I just found the CBS link...Bush Sr slept at WH on the eve of 911
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/10/29/earlyshow/leisure/books/main527361.shtml

"9/11 - Former President, ex-CIA Director, and Bush's Father (George H. W. Bush) had spent the night at the White House the night before and supposedly leaves early in the morning before the attacks occur.

"Afterward, Laura returned to the second-floor family quarters for a quick breakfast with her in-laws. George H. W. Bush and his wife Barbara had spent the night at the White House and were about to board a private jet bound for a speaking engagement in Minnesota." -CBS 'The Early Show' (10/01/02)"

http://thewebfairy.com/killtown/oddities/911.html

I just found it at the thewebfairy.com, which is a great list of "coincidences and oddities" of 911!
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 07:01 PM
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21. Or this....??? (sorry)
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JohnOneillsMemory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 07:09 PM
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23. 9/5/01 raid by 80 agents on Muslim IT server in Texas suggests things.
Edited on Sat Apr-10-04 07:12 PM by JohnOneillsMemory
80 FBI Agents Raid Muslim IT Server in Texas, 9/10/01 story-THEY KNEW.

Edited on Fri Apr-09-04 08:25 PM by JohnOneillsMemory
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Guardian Unlimited online
Monday September 10, 2001

Five hundred websites - many of them with an Arab or Muslim connection - crashed last Wednesday when an anti-terrorism taskforce raided InfoCom Corporation in Texas.

The 80-strong taskforce that descended upon the IT company included FBI agents, Secret Service agents, Diplomatic Security agents, tax inspectors, immigration officials, customs officials, department of commerce officials and computer experts.

Three days later, they were still busy inside the building, reportedly copying every hard disc they could find. InfoCom hosts websites for numerous clients in the Middle East, including al-Jazeera (the satellite TV station), al-Sharq (a daily newspaper in Qatar), and Birzeit (the Palestinian university on the West Bank). It also hosts sites for several Muslim organisations in the United States, among them the Islamic Society of North America, the Muslim Students Association, the Islamic Association for Palestine, and the Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/elsewhere/journalist/story/0,7792,549590,00....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

(I'm reposting this because I think it is hugely incriminating and suggests many interesting things that Condi didn't reveal.)

This appears to be the first action taken one day after the September 4th counter-terrorism task force meeting.

It suggests that they definitely knew of imminent domestic threats from radical Muslim militants.

It was also highly visible with press conferences suggesting that they might have been doing some butt covering for what was about to hit us one week later on 9/11 so they wouldn't look totally surprised.

But since Condi didn't tout this raid as a sign of her effectiveness, it suggests that 9/11 was too horrendous to admit to having the urgent foreknowldge that inspired this massive raid.

This massive interagency effort IS EVIDENCE THEY KNEW and the hundreds of people involved with organizing and analyizing this raid know and can tell the 9/11 whitewash commission plenty.

on edit, more:


Another complication: Condi's 9/11 speech on Missile Defense was upstaged.


The PNAC neocons most cherished tactic for world domination besides owning the Middle East oil is the weaponization of space, the ultimate 'air dominance.'

That's what they were laser-focused on (pun intended) instead of the 'unswatted flies' that killed 3000 Americans and blew up the Pentagon.

So this 9/11 catastrophe put their Star Wars plans on the back burner where they had put Clinton's and Richard Clarke's anti-terrorism efforts.

It seems that LIHOP, MIHOP, and systemic incompetence were ALL exploited at the same time and used to increase the defense budget and remilitarize and weaponize the entire American public culture so the 'anti-terror' efforts could feed their Star Wars efforts.

Look at the first weapon in space going up this summer and realize that this is what these neocons REALLY WANT to use to take over the world:

(check out the links to many sources at the bottom of the page including the US Missile Defense Agency, NASA, the PNAC, ABC News, Washington Post, etc.)

http://www.tmtmetropolis.ru/stories/2004/04/09/120.html
>snip<

And the boys in Space Command are just getting warmed up. They wowed the salivating Bushist faithful in Congress with highly detailed plans for a whizbang space arsenal led by the "Rods From God" -- bundles of tungsten rods fired from orbiting platforms, hurtling toward earth at 3,700 meters per second, accurate within a range of 8 meters and able to destroy even the most hardened targets, the Center for Defense Information reports. They could be launched at only a few minutes' notice at any target on the planet.

"God's Rods" will be accompanied by orbiting lasers, "hunter-killer" satellites, and space bombers that needn't bother with silly-billy legal worries about "overflight rights" from other countries, but can descend out of the ether to swoop down on any uppity nation that displeases the world-Caesar in Washington.

This belligerent Buck-Rogering, long a gleam in many a militarist's eye, gained relentless momentum with the arrival of Don Rumsfeld as Pentagon war chief. In the late 1990s, while helping Dick Cheney and Paul Wolfowitz plot their "Project for the New American Century" -- wholesale militarization of U.S. policy, aggressive war (including the invasion of Iraq even if Saddam Hussein was no longer there), "global dominance" of "vital energy resources," etc. -- Rumsfeld also headed a "blue-ribbon panel" of the usual Establishment worthies looking into "the role of space in national security." Their conclusion? You guessed it: Rummy said America must garrison the heavens to prevent a -- wait for it -- "space Pearl Harbor."

Oddly enough, over at PNAC, at about the same time, Rummy and Cheney were speaking openly about the possibility of a "new Pearl Harbor" that would "catalyze the American people" into supporting their plans, which were published in September 2000. Space weaponization -- via "missile defense" -- was an essential part of the scheme. Once in office, they shoveled billions to their favored defense cartels and fast-tracked space-weapon programs. Indeed, National Security Advisor Condi Rice intended to crown these early efforts with a major speech enshrining the Bush Regime's "top priority" for national security: "missile defense."







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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 07:13 PM
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24. I've been saying that from the beginning.
It was the perfect cover.

So why has there been a news blackout on this? Why haven't They used it to explain why air defenses were muddled that morning?

Why?

Why?

Why?
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masshole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 07:28 PM
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26. Doesn't this prove
that if they were worried enough to run a simulation of this kind of terrorist attack, they MUST have had some intelligence suggesting it may be attempted?
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JohnOneillsMemory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 07:38 PM
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27. Pilot that hit Pentagon was ex-Navy and had helped with emergency plan!!
Un-effing-believable coincidence!! From your above links:

"Barbara Honegger, who worked in the White House under Reagan, points out another coincidence. Rsearching press reports, she found a 9/16/01 Washington Post story about the pilot of AA flight 77 that, on the morning of 9/11, was said to have crashed into the Pentagon.
The pilot, Charles Burlingame, an ex- F4 Navy flyer, had, as his last Navy mission, helped craft Pentagon response plans in the event of a commercial ariliner hitting the Pentagon.
Pilot drafts plan for response to Pentagon hit. Pilot winds up on plane that hits Pentagon.
Honegger states that Dick Cheney was ultimately in charge of the NRO exercise on the morning of 9/11. He was in the White House Situation Room for that purpose."

KICK KICK KICK KICK KICK
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hotelmotel Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 07:50 PM
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28. if
it was MIHOP then people like richard clarke have been lying and have duped even more people here than GWB :)
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Snazzy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 08:06 PM
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29. FAA "military cell" active on 9/11
This article is now behind a subscription:

Aviation Week & Space Technology December 17, 2001

Crisis At Herndon: 11 Airplanes Astray

By David Bond, Washington

To understand fully why the U.S. government brought down 4,546 aircraft within 3 hr. on the morning of Sept. 11, all you need to know is this:

The second of two hijacked airliners is flown into the World Trade Center at 9:03 a.m. EDT. Minutes later, the FAA's air traffic control command center in Herndon, Va., tells field facilities to advise it of any aircraft that aren't in communication or are flying unexpected routes.

The facilities report 11 such aircraft. Hijackers fly one of them into the Pentagon at 9:41.

(snip a lot to get to key para):

In a fluke, so was what Herndon calls "the military cell" -- the Air Traffic Services Cell, created by the FAA and the Defense Dept. for use when needed to coordinate priority aircraft movement during warfare or emergencies. The Pentagon staffs it only three days per month for refresher training, but Sept. 11 happened to be one of those days.

(snip the rest)
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Katarina Donating Member (753 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 10:20 PM
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32. One more thing I've always wondered about.
Why was the director of the White House Situation Room, Deborah Loewer, traveling with Bush that day? I remember seeing reports on TV wondering why she was there. That's not common practice is it? Why did she take Condi Rice's place that day?
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oceanpoetry Donating Member (386 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 10:43 PM
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33. more "coincidences"
Neil Bush declared martial law in FL Sept 7. And also that one of the terrorists was living with an FBI informant.
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