Postman
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Sat Apr-10-04 06:14 PM
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How much resistance do you think will occur if there is a draft? |
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Edited on Sat Apr-10-04 06:23 PM by Postman
I have 2 sons. 18 and 17.
I hate these Bush fascists with all of my soul and would be torn as to what to advise my kids on what to do.
My immediate response to them would be to NOT go if called.
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My 18 year old is already registered, too late. I WILL NOT register my 17 year old.
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Sat Apr-10-04 06:17 PM
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1. I have been encouraging all kids that age to claim to be gay |
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My cousin's son just got discharged from the USMC, once over there was enough for him.
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Sat Apr-10-04 06:43 PM
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9. I wish I could have said that when I was drafted in 71 |
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Edited on Sat Apr-10-04 06:45 PM by bahrbearian
Don't ask, don't tell, how bizarre the world has become.
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Sat Apr-10-04 08:30 PM
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29. Yeah, in 71 they did not give a crap one way or the other |
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Sat Apr-10-04 06:18 PM
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2. Much resistance, if Bush tries to do the draft before November he is |
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complete toast. Especially after the remarks Rumsfeld made about those who fought in Vietnam. Basically said they just got in the way.
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Sat Apr-10-04 06:18 PM
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I'll do *anything* to get my 18 year old and any of his friends safe harbor. I will not let my kid die or kill for the Bush Crime Family. Let the Freepers go fight this war. They seem to be jerking themselves off over the bloodshed.
Mass resistance, people in the streets. Shut it all down.
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Sat Apr-10-04 06:18 PM
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4. I think draft offices will be burnt to the ground. |
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There isn't the post WWII jingoism that was wide spread during Vietnam.
But then again I wasn't around then.
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Sat Apr-10-04 06:19 PM
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5. My eldest daughter is 18...I will encourage her to get the hell away. |
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Sat Apr-10-04 06:27 PM
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6. as a draftable 19 year old |
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Bush has a lot of sway with young voters, which is weird. But the draft would certainly change that. I would almost like to see him try. The revolt would shock my generation back into politics. It would be the last such effort attempted in my lifetime and due to the angst created, it would end the repukkks reign of terror in DC for a good amount of time.
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Sat Apr-10-04 06:29 PM
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7. I have 1 brother of draft age |
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and one who will be draft age next year. I am seriously considering getting them out of the country.
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Sat Apr-10-04 06:33 PM
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Republicans have really picked up women voters and college kids in the last few years, but they'd lose those groups immediately. Still, I don't think it will happen, because it would be political suicide for the repugs.
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Sat Apr-10-04 06:44 PM
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10. I think this would be the NO DRAFT mothers not the soccer mothers |
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movement. Therefore, it will be a very strong and very determined resistance.
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Sat Apr-10-04 06:45 PM
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and registered with selective srvice, but I wouldnt go. I have plenty of relatives in Canada who already said they would take me there to protect me from the draft.
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Sat Apr-10-04 06:48 PM
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12. Not so much rebellion |
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as a jolt to those who have been asleep (Alot of the general public).
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Sat Apr-10-04 06:48 PM
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13. I Hate To Toss Water On The Fire |
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Folks, if a draft is reinstated and the people refuse it you can kiss the country goodby. It would be about the same as if everyone in the country just quit paying taxes. It is part of the fabric of the nation that its defense must be manned and it must be manned by the citizenry. We can not buy mercinarys to do our work for us, depsite the private security interests claims they are really just peanuts.
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Sat Apr-10-04 06:53 PM
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It would be "democracy"
"The people" did not start this unjust war in Iraq. Send all the Bush-lovers and warmongers.
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Sat Apr-10-04 07:01 PM
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The people can not be selective in who the protect the country from. The fact that the war we currently enjoy is purely the result of a moron named George W. Bush doesn't for a moment change the need for EVERYONE to defend their country. It can not be selective in that only those who support the cause should be eligible, it simply can not work that way. No country can last very long that doesn't maintain a defense.
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Sat Apr-10-04 07:10 PM
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17. I'm reminded of the line |
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Edited on Sat Apr-10-04 07:11 PM by mmonk
What if they gave a war and nobody came? In all seriousness, I'm patriotic however, one must not go in violation of the standing principles of our country if asked. The purpose of our military is to protect and defend the constitution of the United States of America. That being said, I don't recommend dodging. I am wondering though, since we have a large military stationed all over the world, why we can't rotate other troops in and deploy troops in the field or theatre to those bases (I'm talking foreign bases). I also don't like guard units deployed as long as they have.
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Sat Apr-10-04 07:21 PM
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22. Maybe finally the working people of this world... |
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will figure out that nations and wars are all a sham and we can get on with the betterment of the human condition. We need to republish and distribute War is a Racket by Smedley Darlington Butler Major General - United States Marine Corps
http://lexrex.com/enlightened/articles/warisaracket.htm
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Sat Apr-10-04 07:31 PM
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24. I fail to see how we're defending the country 9000 miles away in Iraq.. |
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when Iraq was not a threat to this country. Or do you believe that they were?
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Sat Apr-10-04 07:35 PM
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25. Please reread the constitution... |
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Edited on Sat Apr-10-04 07:38 PM by wuushew
I am fuzy where it dictates the power to draft people into involuntary service.
I assume you will cite Article I Section VIII
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Sat Apr-10-04 07:41 PM
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27. That's right. Iraq will invade the continental US. |
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Sat Apr-10-04 07:11 PM
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18. This is a corporate war....first and foremost. |
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Edited on Sat Apr-10-04 07:11 PM by higher class
The corporations that this war is being fought for should hire and pay for their own soldiers.
There will be a big difference in attitude between this corporate war and Vietnam. The influence of patriotism carried forward from WWII tore souls apart during and after Vietnam (and Gulf War I).
We know more now.
All those hotheads who call into Washington Journal with anger about people not supporting Bush and the war should go. There should be enough of them based on the call-ins.
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Union Thug
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Sat Apr-10-04 07:12 PM
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19. Bushco should've thought of that |
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before engaging in yet another illegal, immoral war for corporate profits.
We are not automatons. We should not be forced or feel obligated to murder people half a world a way for the betterment of the elite few in the US.
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Sat Apr-10-04 09:00 PM
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32. Sir, if all the people refuse to pay taxes the government |
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will have to find another way to raise revenue. If all of the inductees refuse to serve, they will have to give up their stupid and illegal war. We live in a Constitutional republic, and power derives from the people, and the people can and will do whatever they choose in consequence, when they choose to act in unison.
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Sat Apr-10-04 07:09 PM
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16. Never underestimate the power of propaganda |
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Around here, we think in terms of "A draft to feed the Fierce Warrior Chieftain's lust for empire." That's not how the public thinks about it, even now.
They're not going to announce, "We screwed the pooch big time! Send us fresh cannon fodder!"
Remember: Not three months before the invasion of Iraq, something on the order of 2/3 of Americans were in go-slow mode. The polls said that the majority favored renewed inspections, wanted international cooperation, thought the UN needed to approve of and participate in any war on Iraq.
By the time the invasion started, not only had that number flipped, but about the same 2/3 were convinced that Saddam Hussein had personally flown at least two of the jets on 9/11.
The new draft will not be marketed as a bailout in Iraq. Violence will inexplicably flare up on another front or two. The very existence of America will hang in the balance. With noble lips atremble, the Fierce Warrior Chieftain will affirm that "Amurca (god blessit) will stay the course, will not be intimidated, and will, by the way, require several of your sons and daughters to make the sort of sacrifices that neither I, nor my children, nor my nieces and nephews would ever be willing to make. Thank you. Did I mention goblessamurca? Did? OK."
Feel free to tell me I'm wrong. But first look at what's already happened, and how it happened.
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Sat Apr-10-04 07:18 PM
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20. As a veteran myself... |
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I have spent the last year since my discharge studying draft law and conscientious objector procedure and council. While being 25 and still draft eligible, especially with my military background, while being at the high end of the draft spectrum, I still worry that I will be called upon for reactivation to service, to which I will fight with the upmost fervor.
I plan to help as many youth of draft eligible age register for 1-A-0 or 1-0 status as possible,
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Sat Apr-10-04 07:21 PM
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If the draft comes, I am totally fucked because I am not registered for selective service and much too old to register, I came of age living in Canada, it just never came up.
If they start going after men who are not registered for SS, my only choice will be renouncing my citizenship
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Sat Apr-10-04 07:25 PM
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23. Wouldn't anybody but Bush sign a draft amensty? |
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Hell even Ford signed the original so why would Kerry not do so?
If there is a draft don't go. Enjoy three square meals and plenty of reading time. Small price to pay for not engaging in an illegal immoral war.
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Sat Apr-10-04 07:38 PM
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going to Iraq and taking your chances or going to prison and being raped and risking death through HIV and AIDS.
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Sat Apr-10-04 07:47 PM
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28. Did they send draft dodgers to maximum security prisons during Vietnam? |
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I can only hope that such people are put into minimum security prisons or parolled and not some type of hellish Shawshank Redemption situation.
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Sat Apr-10-04 08:53 PM
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Edited on Sat Apr-10-04 08:54 PM by bemildred
Not many turned themselves in or went CO. Those that could went to Canada. Others hid out with friends. It isn't actually feasible to MAKE everyone go, and the parents get pissed, and so on. A lot got by on deferments and a bit of luck here and there.
There was a good deal of open disobedience. Mass turning in and burning of draft cards. One of the reasons we went to volunteer service was because too many were telling them to fuck off. It undercuts the governments illusion of legitimacy when too large a section or the citizenry publicly disobeys, sets a bad example, etc. etc. and leads to the creation and growth of 3rd parties, which is the highest evil in US politics.
This is not to say there are no risks involved.
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Sat Apr-10-04 08:55 PM
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There'll be no resistance as long as there's still SUV's, McDonalds, Starbucks, sports, and reality TV. We're a nation of sheep being slowly eaten by the wolves.
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