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mediaman007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 11:08 PM
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Think that Bush* has screwed up America...read this:
http://www.blackcommentator.com/86/86_cover_pirates.html

(its on the editorial board, but not enough people have seen it)
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 11:15 PM
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1. Wow great read , my favorite line from the article
(snip)
Reality is comprised of things in motion. The Pirates understand this, in a degenerate fashion. They sprang at the “opportunity” (September 11, but any excuse would have sufficed) to set in motion a world conquest, at the time and place of their choosing: Iraq. The Plan failed, but other forces have now been set in motion, forces beyond the control of the initiator of the aggression. “It'll change the world,” Bush insisted for the fourth time on Tuesday, reading the direction of events, backwards. Pirates should be careful what they wish for.
(snip)

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i have issues Donating Member (451 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 11:20 PM
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2. Wow..
Excellent article... thanks for reposting it in GD... I missed it in editorials...
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mediaman007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 05:36 AM
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3. for the morning readers
KIck...
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 05:48 AM
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4. 'Mercenaries, who do not rate “force protection” and whose deaths...'
'...don’t show up on “American” casualty lists, comprise the second largest “coalition” cohort. Their growing presence is another admission of U.S. failure.'

Yup.

Good stuff at that site, thanks for the heads up.

:thumbsup:

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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 06:13 AM
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5. This sums it up beautifully
"The human resources of the United States, civilian and military, are patently unfit to rule the globe. This elemental fact will become more obvious with every deployment – even to Americans.

The U.S. can punish darker nations and peoples, but it cannot exercise lasting authority over them. Unless it learns to coexist with others on the planet, it will be shunned and eclipsed."
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 06:28 AM
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6.  "Incapable of perceiving Iraqis as human beings, Bush conjures demons."
Excellent insight from your link.

Evil-doers. Bush has invented some very ugly, stilted, startlingly nasty expressions for people many of us never thought about with ANY kind of suspicion or rancor a few years ago.

Now we're supposed to harbor seething hatred and undying disrespect for our new "enemies."

What kind of idiots would we be to go along with him?
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worldgonekrazy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 10:24 AM
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14. U.S. military forces incapable of seeing other races as equally human
American racial warfare was horrifically successful against Native Americans, Mexicans, Filipinos and many other victims of Manifest Destiny – but was defeated, at terrible cost, by the Vietnamese. The Iraqis are thwarting them again. The American worldview, stunted and deformed by racism, does not prepare the nation to interact with non-white populations without reverting to type. Thus, the American military is a blunt instrument with limited uses. Only its machines make the US a military superpower. The human resources of the United States, civilian and military, are patently unfit to rule the globe. This elemental fact will become more obvious with every deployment – even to Americans.

Painfully true. Its really too bad that a view like this, which has much to offer to any real intellectual debate, will never see the light of day in the corporate media. If we were to actually discuss these sorts of things it is possible that we could yet avoid the disastrous foregone conclusion spoken of in this article.
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doni_georgia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 06:50 AM
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7. a little historical perspective
I'm a history teacher (5th grade American History), so I always like to look at the historical perspective.

The most famous incident of a government using merceneries that comes to mind is when Great Britain used Hessian merceneries to fight America during the Revolutionary War. Prior to King George sending merceneries in to fight, most colonists were opposed to the war for independence. Especially in the south, where the economy was so tied to exporting plantation crops to the mother land. What happened, though, when these merceneries were introduced is worth noting. Average colonists who had previously supported England, or had been apolitical about the whole thing were outraged. As the fighting moved closer to their homes and British soldiers occupied more and more towns and cities in the colonies, great numbers of these average Joes joined the revolution.

The reason I bring this up is because it is what we are seeing in Iraq. We came in claiming our job was to liberate the Iraqi people from the evils of Saddam Hussein's regime. Instead, we have become an occupying force that is using merceneries to try to control the Iraqi people. Our government's "leader" announced this week that even once we turn over the government to the "new Iraqi government," we will continue to militarily occupy that country. We have forgotten historical lessons learned.

During Vietnam, we went into Vietnam when the French colonial government pulled out. What we should have learned from that conflict we did not learn. Many say that we need to stay in Iraq to prevent a civil war. Often though, it takes a civil war in a country for true change to occur. All we have to do is look to our own past to see that. Vietnam's civil war continued even with America sending millions into the fighting. There is no guarantee that a civil war will not ensue in Iraq even with American troops stationed throughout the country. Our very presence in Iraq is fueling the violence and uncertainty. We are giving legitimacy to rebel causes. In a time of enemy occupation, the people are more likely to embrace radical groups who they believe can garner them freedom.

What has begun in Fallujah is merely a prelude. The violence will continue to escalate in Iraq as long as we are occupying their country. You heard George Bush - "Nobody likes to be occupied, I wouldn't like to be occupied." Wish he would have actually thought about those words after he said them. The war to unseat Saddam was merely a prelude, and what we are seeing now is barely scrapping the surface of what will come if we continue to stay in Iraq.
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 07:27 AM
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8. You are correct Doni--
I think your comparison is accurate. This is exactly what is happening. It is alarming that those in this mis-administration have no idea about history.

To know history is to know the future.

Julie
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worldgonekrazy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 10:27 AM
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15. I think they just don't give a shit about history
Its willful, beligerent ignorance. In a true democracy an informed citizenry would serve to reign in the imperial dreams of its government. Too bad we don't quite have the "informed" part down.
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 08:02 AM
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9. This is the most lucid, detailed explanation of "The Plan".
Edited on Sat Apr-17-04 08:09 AM by chimpymustgo
More from the article:

-snip-

The U.S. has irreversibly lost control of events in Iraq. No amount of collective punishment of cities, Phoenix-type assassination programs, or reshuffling of the dwindling number of puppets, can change that. Iraqis – Arab Iraqis, certainly – are experiencing a national renewal, forgedin opposition to the United States. The Washington Post noted the sea change, on Tuesday, in an article titled, “Fallujah Gains Mythic Air.”



"What is striking is how much has changed in a week – a week," said Wamid Nadhmi, a political science professor at Baghdad University. "No one can talk about the Sunni Triangle anymore. No one can seriously talk about Sunni-Shiite fragmentation or civil war. The occupation cannot talk about small bands of resistance. Now it is a popular rebellion and it has spread."


-snip-



The blooming of Iraqi national solidarity is in part a result of American racism and, at times, barbarism. Among the soldiers are men who revel in ripping Korans, who used sniper rifles to murder women and children in Fallujah, and whose commanders have refused from the beginning of the occupation to even record the deaths of the Iraqi civilians whom they purport to protect.


-snip-

American racial warfare was horrifically successful against Native Americans, Mexicans, Filipinos and many other victims of Manifest Destiny – but was defeated, at terrible cost, by the Vietnamese. The Iraqis are thwarting them again. The American worldview, stunted and deformed by racism, does not prepare the nation to interact with non-white populations without reverting to type.  Thus, the American military is a blunt instrument with limited uses. Only its machines make the US a military superpower. The human resources of the United States, civilian and military, are patently unfit to rule the globe. This elemental fact will become more obvious with every deployment – even to Americans.

-snip-
_____________________ 

"Manifest Destiny". OMG - they have nailed it.

We are so screwed.
 
(edited to edit - I accidentally posted nearly the whole article, sorry)
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 09:30 AM
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10. Kicking. This is a must read.
nt
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 09:58 AM
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11. Extremely powerful commentary that cuts the NeoCons to the bone...
...revealing the diseased and rotting marrow for what it really is.

Excellent read...a must-read for everyone on DU.
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bacchant Donating Member (747 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 10:07 AM
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12. I think bc is right, but...
It's the "zombie still has lots of thrashing around to do – some death-force to expend" part that's got me worried. I just hope PNAC Do Go Gently into that Good Night and SOON!
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worldgonekrazy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 10:14 AM
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13. Yes, it will be Bush who will be remembered for bring down the empire
What a bunch of fucking fools. As if its not bad enough that they are evil to their very core, these bunch of thugs are also entirely incompetent. Truly a worst case scenario for the United States.

Of course, I can't say I'll really be sad when the empire falls. Sure, another empire will rise to take its place, and it could even be much worse, but at least we citizens won't be burdened with the excessive costs (monetary, psychological, sociological, and so forth) of maintaining an empire any longer.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 10:38 AM
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16. Yes My Brothers and Sisters!


I appreciate the post and the recognition from DU that www.blackcommentator.com is very thought provoking.
Their view is always enlightening and provides a perspective
that is seldom allowed to be heard in the main stream media.

My people generally know how to recognize a PIRATE when they see a PIRATE!
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 10:46 AM
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17. Sorry, but the source is not on my reading list
I saw to many idiocies from that website to patronize it.
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 11:20 AM
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18. name some idiocies please

I havn't seen any
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 11:33 AM
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19. Excellent article. Thanks for posting it.
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