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For a few days I thought I had recognized your DU name from other conversations I had had around here, but couldn't quite put a lock on what memory I associated it with. Now I remember:--exact same sort of random kneejerk/fly-off-the-handle outburst. I'll pick this apart as I see fit:--
Having trouble recognizing Israel's right to exist?
Sometimes, but I am more annoyed when minor remarks take centre stage like this.. there were more important bits in there, you know..
Whose tactics were unsuccessful, btw?
In this case, those of Israel's in the course of its 22yr-occupation of Lebanon. Do you know what events I was referring to?--the Red Crescent ambulances blown up by Israeli helicopters in Beirut during the '96 blitzkreig under that "leftwing dove" Peres?
Seems to me, that if you don't want ambulances blown up, you don't allow the idiots among you to use them, ever so cleverly, to smuggle weapons and bombs. But that's just propaganda because Jews are such liars, right? They lie, they control the world, what can't they do?
Ok, this bit is a doozy. I'll try to cover all of the points made here, but do note that I take only about 1/3 of it seriously.
It seems to me that if you don't want ambulances blown up, DON'T FUCKING FIRE ON THEM.
Since you're apparently taking the role of defending the US/Israeli actions in blowing up ambulances (and probably other things if this was pursued further), I'd like to know--what did Abbas ever do to deserve having to watch his family blown up in the well-marked ambulance behind him? He had just returned from Germany a year earlier and had taken no part in the fighting. I fear the day that the US aggressors in Iraq try to recreate Qana, if that is the model they're following. In al-Fallujah they seem to be applying bits of the Grozny formula as well as the IDF's, alternating from one failed pattern of racist brutality to another. Then again, there is much in our own history to chose from, blending the result into an awful and grotesque series of acts that somehow manage to get worse with every passing day..
What you say is, indeed, just propaganda.
I don't think "the Jews" (as in "the Jews" as a whole, stereotype sort of thing) lie (well, some do, I guess, but that's not at all specific to them of course). Nor do I think they control the world. However, I don't think they could cook a good rack of bbq'd pork ribs (I'd imagine there to be a bit of inexperience in such matters, so the first couple attempts may not end up as the mouth's version of a Kodak moment).
Can't stop people from blowing up their own children just to hurt someone else's children.
Huh?
Fine, fine, people those Palestinians, living happy happy lives because their tactics are so successful.
Running the risk of repeating myself, huh?
If Israel were a Protestant country oppressing, say, a Catholic segment, would we ever hear from you? How are you in your reports of the Sudan? Liberia? Yugoslavia? Rwanda? South Africa? Colombia? Brazil? Anything nasty in those neighborhoods?
You might want to look at my posts in FA and around the forum, as well as those on the unmentionable Dean board, also get an idea of the links I lazily fill my blog with (I know, it's supposed to be written out and all to be the real "blog" experience, but I'm a lazy bastard sometimes and use it on the side to keep my bookmarks folder from filling up before I have a chance to print). After a deep study of its history I am indeed hostile to Israel, irreconciliably so in many ways, but I am not at all without perspective about the world around it. To save yourself future embarassment (your present in such respects is beyond salvaging, sorry), try to look before leaping when you rattle off these propaganda talking points.
The evil you teach us, we will imitate, and it shall go hard, but we will better the instruction.
I can't think of either a dry, informative, or smartass response to this, so "Um..ok" will have to due for a reply. I thought of a third "...huh?" to round out the series from earlier, but I don't want to beat that into the ground just yet. I have a feeling I might need to use it later if this conversation goes on.
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