should we support troops who commit nazi-like atrocities?

[mopaul]

like those committed against innocent women and children in iraq?

[MichaelUK]

1. Yes

They are there doing a job, following orders.
HOWEVER, we should not support the people giving the orders.

[mopaul]

2. doing a job?

what kind of a job is it that requires you to shoot innocents?
could YOU, follow such orders? could YOU fire down on a kid held in his mother's arms?

atrocites are simply atrocites. no matter if it's american soldiers or nazis.

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[caffefwee]

8. We should IMPEACH the person giving orders

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[DAGDA56]

9. Michael...I respectfully suggest...

...you not use the phrase "they are just following orders" in future discussions of the matter. To some of us, that means the Nurenburg defense, and bringing in Nazi analogies (even unintentionally) is probably not good for your argument.
(edit to correct the spelling of Nurenburg...never trust spell check)

[Catch22Dem]

4. No we shouldn't, and MichaelUK, you're wrong

In basic training, we go through a thing on legal orders vs. illegal orders and it's very clear at the end of the day, what you're allowed to do. So, NO we shouldn't support those who do that shit. If (and I think it's a big if) there are commanders out their giving those kinds of orders, their troops need to arrest them. They are fully within their rights to do so, and furthermore, are required to do so.

Also, in addition to basic training, every year you have to attend a LOAC (Law of Armed Conflict) briefing, where, again, these rules are spelled out very clearly.

ON EDIT: Just FYI, that portion of basic training (as we were told) came about after the My Lai incident in Vietnam. It's kinda funny the way they ran it at Lackland AFB when I was there. All the trainees go into this building where they are met by an officer. At this point in our training, we don't know much, but we know to do what an officer says (which is the point of the exercise.) So he picks two trainees out and tells them to come to the front. He has them face each other, and looks right at one of them and says, "punch so-and-so right in the nose." Well, of course, the guy just looks at him. Then the officer starts yelling at him to follow orders, court-martial, etc... Obviously, they don't let anyone go through with it, and the officer happens to be a lawyer. The exercise was really interesting though. I enjoyed it.

[MichaelHarris]

5. I

hit alert but its snooze time for most I think

[Catch22Dem]

6. I saw the post

About INTELBYTES (sp?) being a freeper or CUer disrupter. Dude had over 1000 posts. I can't understand the level or loser you'd have to be to intentionally hang out with people with whom you disagree, for the express purpose of disrupting. Talk about NO LIFE!!!

Sometimes when I think I spend too much time here, I remember there are people like INTELBYTES, and they're MUCH worse off than me. Makes me feel better. LOL

[MichaelHarris]

7. LOL

I agree, building up that many posts just to disrupt, it makes no sense. He didn'r even have "good game" when it came to debate.

[Skittles]

11. I don't understand

what are you saying about INTELBYTES?

[Renew Deal]

12. INTELBYTES was banned today.

I looked through his unarchived posts. It looks like he was a crafty freeper. He would backhand Kerry and try to get people going here. He would also argue that gay-marriage is a christian institution. It's funny because he put up a thread in the lounge asking if anyone was a freeper and I joked and said yes, That got him strangely excited. Now I get it.

The one cool thing is that the DU mods aren't like the freak republik nazi's. You fall out of line there and you are gone. Here, you can make any argument outside of the reich wing propaganda and you have a chance.

It's kinda sad that he's gone. Hopefully he learned something while he was here and is not blinded by the right.

[Renew Deal]

14. Proof: Intelbytes was a CU disruptor

Moran

http://www.conservativeunderground.com//forum/phpBB2//viewtopic.php?t=3941

[Renew Deal]

13. He had 881 posts.

Almost made it.

[Wilber_Stool]

10. Yes........

Never underestimate the brutality of an eighteen year old soldier. That's a quote from Viet Nam.
When you send young men to kill without remorse and to die when ordered, this is what you get. Every time.
A rifle is the weapon of a soldier, a soldier is the weapon of a politician. Direct your anger at those that deserve it.

[leesa]

15. No. Immoral behavior should never be tolerated.

[Must_B_Free]

16. Like asking if we should support crooked cops who abuse their position

the answer is no.

[donsu]

17. NO

I don't support murdering women and children

I'd like to see ALL military disbanded forever.

[corporatewhore]

18. my friend asked would you support the french maquis orthe german occupiers

that really made me think