Poppy and the plan to go to war in Iraq--a theory...

[Skidmore]

Since Woodward's book reports that Bush came in with a burning desire to go to war with Iraq and enlisted Rummy to get a plan for him, does anyone else think the little jerk had been fed this by Poppy? It just doesn't smell right to me. Bush is not a strategic thinker--that's why he surrounds himself with goons. How much input did the neocons have into that process before the selection? Was Cheney as much a Svengali before he appointed himself candidate for Shadow potus? I can't put my finger on what is bothering me about this.

[mopaul]

1. i suspect daddybush is running the whole show

i've always assumed that daddybush's plans were to be a two termer.
but that nasty ol Clinton interuppted that for 8 years. then daddy got the idea to pick up right where he left off with his own retarded son at the helm. they owed daddybush for setting up the jfk assasination.........oh, i better stop there.

[RC]

3. Yeah, but...., but..., but....

What about daddy bu$h being upset about dimson wanting to take out Saddam? Daddy bu$h saying publicly such things as Saddam being a stabilizing influence in the Middle East or some similar?

[charlie]

6. Wasn't that great?

Hamfisted Theatre for the Unwashed. Poppy's got enough juice to have released a truckload of intel and destroy his hellspawn's comic book designs before they got of the ground. If he really wanted to. Instead, we got:

Norm Schwarzkopf: Big mistake, bad idea. No can do. Uh-uh.

Colin Powell: You UN toadies aren't seeing what I'm seeing? I've got Powerpoint slides, for God's sake! Where's your heads?

Norm Schwarzkopf: W-o-w. I'm convinced, Brand Dubya made me a new man! Take it from me, you can be a red, white, and blue pissing two-fisted humdinger too, just follow GeeDub's lead.

[dbt]

2. Dunno, Skidmore, but...

I say Junior's first-and-only term is really Poppy's second term. All the things that he wanted to accomplish were put on hold while that "trailer trash" was in the White Hose for eight years. Now we are faced with greed and revenge from the BFEE.

:freak:
dbt


On edit: Damn, mopaul! One of us is just ape shit crazy. Wanna flip for it?

[Devils Advocate NZ]

5. You think you two are crazy! Try this...

From a post I made a couple of days ago:

Isn't it obvious by now?

Think of all the times the CIA put Clinton wrong during his presidency - a WMD factory turns out to be an Aspirin plant - Bin Ladin's hideout turns out to be a long abandoned base - a Serbian target turns out to be the Chinese Embassy - and the list goes on.

The CIA has been in on the Bush Cabal plans since day one, and Tenet became a part of it in 1995 when he became Deputy Director. I have no doubt that being there corrupted Tenet (assuming he wasn't before hand) - absolute power corrupts absolutely - as the old saying goes.

Isn't it convenient that Bin Ladin became a menace after Clinton took office, and Bin Ladin (member of a family closely linked to the Bushes) was a CIA asset only a few years before?

The real trick to understanding Sept 11 and everything that has happened since is to realise that this is all part of a plan that was hatched back when Daddy Bush was President. Bush Snr didn't expect to lose to Clinton, and when he did, the plans had to be put on hold.

The only reason Bush Snr didn't occupy Iraq in 1991 was because he wanted a victory (an easy one at that) to use for his re-election campaign. But he set it up so that straight after the election, a breach could be found (refusing the CIA riddled inspectors access for example) and the invasion could commence.

He was so determined to invade, in fact, that he basically stabbed the Iraqi people in the back - he PR'ed them into believing that they should overthrow Saddam, but he didn't expect it so quickly, so he had to leave them to Hussein's mercy (or lack thereof).

Hussein had to stay in power until after the election, otherwise he would have no reason to invade. All he had to do was win the election, and he could do what Bush Jnr has now done.

But he didn't win. At that point all sorts of pressure came to bear on Clinton to force him to invade Iraq, and when he refused to, to try and have him removed.

Like I said, if you think in these terms, it all makes sense - the determined attacks on Clinton - the stolen election - the consistent actions of "Al Qaeda" always managing to create perfect excuses for the Bush Cabal, the bad intel that kept causing Clinton to attack the wrong targets...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1416420#1416706

Stick THAT in your pipe and smoke it :)

[1monster]

4. My theory... The whole Bush clan is out for revenge...

Not against Iraq. That is just a vehicle and besides, Saddam ticked Poppy off.

Against the United States.

Remember that, although we are not taught this in History class, there were many Americans who thought Hitler was the bees knees and probably did not support the war against the Nazis, but did not dare to express that view after December 7, 1941.

Then remember that George Herbert Walker (Poppy's grandpa) and Prescott Bush (Poppy's father) both got their fingers lightly slapped and had some assets seized during WWII for financial dealings with Germany while we were at war with them.

Remember just how seriously run down our economy was in 1992 after twelve years of Reagan and Bush I? (I have read, although I don't know if it is true, that this country was in far more serious financial trouble than the public knew: we were on the verge of economic collapse.) And does anyone doubt that Bush I was the guy who was really calling the shots during Reagan's Presidency? Reagan was already publicly showing signs of Alzheimers.

The final straw was Election 1992 when Poppy was denied his second term (which the Bush family certainly believed they were absolutely entitled to). Remember the encursion into Somolia in December of 1992? Does that strike anyone as a nasty little bomb just waiting to blow up in the new Administration's face?

Many of the people in the BFEE are the actual and ideological inheritors of a group that emerged from the political/intelligence community after WWII. The cold war was on and this same community was responsible for allowing and helping many Nazi war criminals to escape any kind of justice. Quite a few of those Nazi war criminals ended up in this country working for that same political/intelligence community... Something we have been told was necessary because of the Cold War and the Communist Threat.

Poppy's defeat spurred this group into subverting the elections process in the following eight years to ensure that their 2000 candidate won the election.

Every other plan for getting total control of this country has been accelerated to ensure the 2004 elections and then complete control of the United States, Constitution will be damned.

Under Reagan/Bush, the trickle of good paying manufacturing jobs leaving this country became a flood. We became a service economy. Now under Bush/Cheney, those lower paying service jobs are pouring out of this country at an alarming rate.

Just wait, if these guys can figure out how to fill your fast food order from Pakistan, India, or Bengladesh, they'll be exporting those jobs too.