Has Bush conceded failure by now begging the UN to bail him out in Iraq?

[NNN0LHI]

I say he has.

[skooooo]

1. ..not only that, but...

...I suspect it will lose him a number of the xenophobic vote in November.

[niceypoo]

21. Bush is too much of an ideologue for the UN

He has crawled to them before. Its always the thought of someone else taking control that wrecks it. Their incompetence always wrecks it. He would just fuck them over anyway, after the election he would "warn" the UN to get out then reassert beligerance.

[imax2268]

2. he has always been

and always will be a failure...a "miserable failure"...

[LittleApple81]

3. He co-opted Kerry's approach and then claimed KERRY copied

him. These were the talking points and the dittoheads will repeat them over and over.

[ClassWarrior]

4. Then just remind them...

...that Bush copied Kucinich. From the very first debate Dennis called for UN control.

[revcarol]

7. But Kucinich also called for control of the CONTRACTS to be given to the

UN, until such time as the elections had been held, and the country could select their own foreign contractors, if any.

Kerry will award contracts to foreign companies that supply troops.
BIIIIIG difference. We will still be in charge of the spoils under BOTH Bush and Kerry.TO THE VICTORS BELONG THE SPOILS.(to maybe distribute to tame allies under both Bush and Kerry.)

[ClassWarrior]

8. True, Rev...

But I'm just talking about answering the dittoheads who may claim that Kerry stole Bush's idea... Throw it back at them.

[xultar]

5. Based on GWB only self realization of Failure = Failure so I vote NO n/t

[Wapsie B]

20. Exactly.

Chimpy hasn't admitted failure to anything other than trading Sosa from the Rangers, so why would he feel the need to apologize about anything now?

[polmaven]

6. Of COURSE not!

When one is perfect, one does NOT fail! When one is a BUSH, one is perfect.

BornUnderSatan'sHedge planned all along, you see, to "allow" the UN to redeem themselves, and show the world why they should exist by obeying the Great One.

There is OBVIOUSLY no failure to admit!

[cliss]

9. Is he really begging the UN to bail him out?

Or is he just play-acting? Why am I distrustful of everything this Cabal does? I can just see these Co-Dependent Dysfunctionals watching the Iraq Treasure, evaporating before their very eyes. All the plans, the dreams, not to mention binding agreements, go up in smoke.

Count me among the skeptical, but I DO NOT BELIEVE they will turn over Iraq to the United Nations.

We have now spent $160 billion, 600 American lives and untold innocent Iraqi lives, just to secure that precious, light sweet crude.

[Deja Q]

11. It's not for the oil, it's for *s inflated ego and vengeance, update me...

Unless my info is outdated, what exactly are we doing with Iraq's oil? It's not going to the US to pay for the war or anything else because oil prices continues to skyrocket.

[cliss]

14. Here's my humble take on the reasons:

I used to think it was just oil, but it turns out there are more reasons for why the US marched into Iraq:

1) Secure the oil supply under the hot sands of Iraq. Iraq has the world's 2nd largest supply of oil, second only to Saudi Arabia. It's estimated at 1 trillion barrels. A lot. Most probably, they plan to sit on it until Peak Oil has started to affect the petroleum markets.

2) Use Iraq as a strategic base of American military. This is a central location and the US can keep monitor the entire Middle East. I've read that large satellite dishes and surveillance equipment has already been set up to keep an eye on SA. Also, it's seen as less obnoxious than having troops in Saudi Arabia. It was a huge problem.

3) Of course, there's always Iraq Up For Grabs. I've read that now 100% of the country is owned by foreign interests. I can't wait to see the first Muslim Honey Baked Ham go up.

4) This was the first bus stop of the PNAC plans for World Domination. (there are some more targets down the road).

[ConcernedCanuk]

18. I've read some European think-tanks thoughts on this war

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At first I said naaaaah,

too far fetched,

But I can't get their theory out of my mind.

Iraq is a testing ground for all their new "smart" weapons.

They fired in missiles from the Mediterranean and Persian Gulf from ships and subs. There was absolutely no way to test in such numbers the accuracy, reliability and efficiency of these weapons in the continental US

They've now tested their machinery in sandy terrain, and excessive heat that can't be duplicated in the US. Actually, they did in some outfits make the marines train in winter clothes in over 90 degree weather in the States to simulate the 120+ temperatures in Iraq, which are coming very soon (again for some)

They've discovered the deficiency in the Humvee's (at the cost of many American lives) in urban warfare.

The Iraq war is just a "learning" war, sort of a real live "war game" and the cost of human lives is, well,

Just another "cost" in the learning curve.

Almost makes sense now doesn't it? :shrug:

[cliss]

19. Gruesome theory, CC.

I went to bed thinking about your post. That must be why I had nightmares all night. So the Iraq war was just a "learning curve".

Why not? I think these guys are capable of anything. When you're the world's lone superpower with no one to stop you, you will feel tempted to do just about anything. And I do mean ANYTHING.

[ConcernedCanuk]

25. I told you, it sort of "grows" on you, and with what we've seen so far,

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It' would be hard to argue that it was "impossible".

The USA is not even TRYING to be subtle about keeping reporters out, shutting down newspapers, even "debriefing" the public on reports that manage to get out.

"Iraq - America's Area 51 in the Middle East"

and they want Space too . . .

:scared:

[TahitiNut]

10. "failure"?? Against what objective?

The rape and pillage of Iraq are mostly "successful." What sane being buys the "liberation" bullshit? To the degree that troops are freed up, there're other countries to invade. Just find one that's got enough to steal and is militarily weak. :shrug:

[lyrical di]

12. bigger man

It takes a bigger person to admit to mistakes. B*sh will never admit to any mistake. There is no self-awareness there. None! No sense of doing what is right for the benefit of others, instead of self-grandizing.
He'd stammer "Nothing is popping into my head right now. There's too much pressure in a press conference to come up with an answer" We should relieve his pressure before he embarasses us and himself again in a press conference. It was the most disgusting thing I'd seen in a long time. I walked in at that very moment to see him struggling and thought it was a SNL skit. '-) We need to get a leader who can field questions, not just remove the reporters that aren't in his favor.

[checks-n-balances]

13. Probably a repeat performance, but no by Dubya

Maybe the UN will agree to help in exchange for letting the UN monitor the 2004 elections (congressional seats included).

BTW, lyrical, it was surreal enough to be in a skit. It's almost too obvious that SNL will probably highlight Bush's pathetic performance later tonight. They don't even have to change anything about it or go to the trouble of writing anything, just replicate it. I usually don't watch it that often, but I will tonight - esp. since I missed the Condoleeza bit last week.

[lapauvre]

15. He will never concede failure

but failure is indicated. He is so arrogant he can never acknowledge bad judgment, even when he is forced to eat it every day, like the broccoli his dad didn't like.

Damn, at least Clinton showed some shame. May have had to pry it out his lawyerly butt, but he admitted it.

And we didn't loose almost 700 American lives, plus an innumerable number of what do they call them,? oh, collateral damage human lives because Clinton played with a hotsy totsy groupie. Nobody died over that, you know. Plus, thanks to the republican blood sucking press, we gave them carte blanche to make our then president the laughing stock of the world. And the hypocrites talk about "respecting" the office of this presidency.

Too bad democratic press is so stifled, and too bad a bj is more important than over six hundred human lives. But that's the way you voted.

When are you going to get off your democratic donkeys and start being brave enough to put your words in letters to newspapers and on talk shows? Don't complain, if you sit idle and wonder why.

I do not sit idly by while this crapola is being spoon fed by the news media I am permitted to see. Why don't you, just for once, try fighting back.

[calimary]

22. Agreed, lapauvre. Here's a GREAT way to start fighting back:

Please note, here, The World's Greatest Lists of Media Contacts – updated April 14, 2004 – in the following thread:

LINK:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1413842#

IF THEY THINK WE DON’T CARE, THEY WON’T, EITHER!

[opihimoimoi]

16. French Toast back on the Menu?

French Kiss, wine, bread, etc etc also?

[eleny]

17. I wonder how they'll spin it to make him look good?

[MoonRiver]

23. The bastard is finally doing the correct thing.

But wait, he shouldn't have invaded at all if he wanted to do what was "right".

How dare that f'n piece of caca accuse Kerry of waffling on positions. :mad::mad::mad:

[Mobius]

24. Hes only doing it to win the election, or try to

he doesnt give a rat's ass about UN involvement. He will ask them to be involved but there will be no real power given to the UN. Election year bullshit.