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The Blue Knight Donating Member (555 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 11:42 AM
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Some uplifting pictures from Iraq
Edited on Sat Apr-17-04 11:48 AM by The Blue Knight
I know it's hard to find a positive in Iraq, but I think some of these pctures should be posted just since they don't get posted a lot.











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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 11:44 AM
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1. thank you eom
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 11:45 AM
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2. Thanks
Those are uplifting.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 11:51 AM
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3. What a load of crap
More propaganda. You find that uplifting? I find it extremely depressing that a soldier who is killing civilians as a sniper has time to pet a little kitty (probably planted by Army psyops), that soldiers are praying that they will live another day to dominate another culture illegally and immorally, that now little Iraqi boys can "low five" it just like their American counterparts, on their proud way to the better life, that a soldier takes time out from killing a child's parents to hold the child for a pic, before depositing the child back in the dusty hellhole that used to be her house.

What a load of crap.
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Catholic Sensation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 12:02 PM
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13. i wish emoticons would show up in the subject
oh well, here it is: :eyes:
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kalian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 12:07 PM
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16. Agreed....
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rumguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 12:18 PM
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24. uncalled for
propaganda? no, just some pictures of people in some rough circumstances. you are so cynical I feel sorry for you, almost.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 12:23 PM
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27. and you are so naive
that I hope you learn to see past lies, someday. Good luck.
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rumguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 12:25 PM
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31. Lies?
those are pics of snapshots in some soldier's lives...if you think all those pics were "set up" then you have been lost to tinfoil land - you're hatred of Bush having driven you to extremes that can't be defended...
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 12:26 PM
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32. Yeah, I'm sure there are lots of cute little kitties
wandering the streets of Iraq :eyes:
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rumguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 12:30 PM
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33. actually that is an Israeli picture
but that you would even be certain that it was a "set up" pic is just amazing to me...

you think that all our soldiers are evil?
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 12:38 PM
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36. You just answered my question
by informing me that it is an Israeli picture. So that is not an 'uplifting picture from Iraq', as the poster would have us believe. Whether the poster knew this or not is irrelevant--the point is that we are besieged with so-called 'feelgood' pictures in the press which don't show an iota of the pain and suffering that the Iraqi people are going through.

Do you believe reports that some 600 people, many civilians, were killed in Fallujah last week? Where are the pictures? Why does a kitty from Israel get press and a bullet-ridden ambulance doesn't? It's a lie by omission.

Re: whether our soldiers are evil--well, they're just taking orders, aren't they? The truly courageous ones have gone to jail instead of partake in this atrocity. There have been quite a few, but we don't hear much about them, do we?
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rumguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 12:44 PM
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40. that Israeli pic isn't deliberately lumped in with the American pics
it's a common mistake...

you think this poster is purposely assembling any pics he can find for propadanda purporses?

That Israeli picture is months old - it isn't getting "press" - you can only find it on the internet if you actually look for it.

I agree that the civilian death are not being covered by the mainstream media. But that doesn't make every picture you see on the internet propaganda.

Nor do those civilian death in Fallujah mean that there aren't soldiers over there with humanity and compassion to them.

You are seeing things in such stark black and white terms you are missing the big picture. It's like your hatred of bush has driven any and all nuance out of your thinking over this issue.
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scarface2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 12:30 PM
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35. he then took that cat behind the tent........
and splattered it with his machine gun...practice for more irakee baby killing to come tonight!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 12:41 PM
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37. couldn't agree more. a soldier holding a kid after he blows up her mother?
gosh how heartwarming.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 03:21 PM
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43. WHILE WEARING FUCKING RUBBER GLOVES???
:puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:
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rumguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 03:25 PM
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44. meaning he's a doctor right?
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 12:42 PM
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39. WTF??? The vast Majority of the troops are good people. They are
hurting just as much as we are, Hell MORE cuz they aren't with their families.

:grr:
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 12:59 PM
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42. Absolutely agree.
I find such images as distressing as any from Iraq, for the homeland psyops value.

Ever seen copies of "Signal", Nazi Germany's English language magazine? You could see soldiers of the Wehrmacht petting cats, smiling with young French children, praying and so on.

After the war, a number of senior employees of "Signal" went to work for "Life." Propagandists can always find work.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 11:51 AM
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4. after listening to the sniper
say how lucky he was to be in fallujah..........

i needed to see our people still human

the man sitting with the baby, all the soldiers in the background and his eyes closed, his position, so powerful
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boobooday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 11:54 AM
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5. Those are uplifting
Except for the last one, which forced me to spit out my bagel.

http://www.wgoeshome.com

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Maestro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 11:55 AM
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6. Thanks
It is nice to see that some here at DU don't think that all people in uniform are killers and murderers.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 11:57 AM
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7. Define 'murderers'
They're doing a pretty damn good job of killing over there.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 12:00 PM
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11. no one at DU thinks that
I'd call what you just wrote a smear.


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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 12:42 PM
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38. I do. I have no respect for anyone in uniform in iraq.
too bad.

They have the choice to NOT be there.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 11:58 AM
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8. The 4th, 5th, and 6th ones are a year old.
I don't remember the others. I can only hope that all these troops make it back.
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 11:59 AM
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9. We've had some great posts lately by former servicemen...
here at DU, many who were in VietNam, pointing out what our people in Iraq are up against, how young most of them are, how vulnerable, how all they can do is the job they've trained for. They've seemed not to deny that there are "bad apples" in any undertaking, but that for the most part our soldiers, who never really expected to be in a war, much less one like this, are doing the best they can to do the job they've been handed, survive, and come home.

Thanks for the pics --
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 12:00 PM
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10. Okey dokey, let's decipher these:
Edited on Sat Apr-17-04 12:03 PM by HypnoToad
Picture 1: Cute and charming. The kittie means a lot more than the person in the conext of the picture (cats are cute and playful; humans are mean and kill each other), though I feel far more sorry for him. (He probably doesn't want to be there and we never should have gone there.) (Eh, "he" meaning the soldier. The cat is an "it" because I can't tell from here if it's a male cat or female one, and I'd rather not look because cat anatomy is gross.)

Picture 2: Vulgar sign of jihad commited by our side. This is an example of 'liberating' the Iraqis? :eyes:

Picture 3: That's not the best way to detect anthrax, but a note to one's loved one is sweet. I wonder what he's thinking when he shoots down those trying to defend their land from the invaders though. I doubt he launches kisses at them. (He's got no choice. President Apostate* has put our soldiers in harm's way. Again, I feel sorry for the soldier.)

Picture 4: Easily the BEST of the bunch. It's a sign that we're not all that bad. It's a posterboard image * will use in the name of liberation.

Picture 5: Sweet, but isn't she a victim whose blood was wiped off?

Picture 6: Yup. As we've seen reported in the media twice undert the tune of "Take it down, you're liberating them, not occupying them" but have seen countless pictures since where nary a whine was made, this is more proof we're there to take their lands. Not liberate them.

Half the pictures flatly contradict the other. And the three that bring warmth to my heart (#s 1, 4, 5) also reek just as much phoniness/politics, thanks once again to President Apostate*.
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 12:03 PM
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14. Oh geez...
If I was away from home for long enough, much less in a turbulent situation, yes, I'd feel like praying. Wouldn't have anything to do with "jihad". See this is why people are put off by liberals.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 12:13 PM
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20. And your comment is why people...
...here on DU are put off by disruptors.

You don't have ANY idea why they were praying, do you?
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 12:15 PM
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22. No, I don't.
And neither did he. That's my point.
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 12:19 PM
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25. Also, can I ask you...
...are you accusing me of being a disruptor?

I don't think that not believing the worst about people is disruptive behaviour, and a little bit of self-consciousness about how a small portion of the left comes off to people (disproportionately) isn't inappropriate.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 12:11 PM
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19. #5. She was the only survivor of a family that was trying to get...
...past a roadblock and failed to understand the commands to stop. Maybe it had to do with the fact that the commands were given in English?

#2. If I remember correctly, the soldiers were mourning the loss of a comrade.

#4. Must have been pretty early in the war. I don't think the troops are getting many chances for high-fives with the locals anymore.
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 12:00 PM
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12. Watch #2 get cited as evidence of a dominionist plot!
I'd agree, the war has a lot of negatives, and overall I don't think we should have gone about it like we did, but it's more complex than everything happening there is just evil.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 12:06 PM
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15. explain why you think these should be posted
I hear that a lot, the administration is always complaining we never see the good things in Iraq, but I've never really understood it. Actually I see quite a bit of feelgood crap on TV, especially on local news. I don't see why we should feel good about this war.

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Maestro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 12:17 PM
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23. Nobody is telling you to feel good about war
It's just that some of us realize that not all is black and white. And to one that said to define murderer, here it is

The unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated malice.

Now if you want to extend that servicemen and women who are engaged in war, I can't stop you from doing that, but if you do then you must also that the extremist Shiites and Sunnis attacking us are as well. It works both ways.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 12:24 PM
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30. No it doesn't work both ways
They are defending their own country. If it has to be spelled out, I am happy to do it. See the difference?
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 12:30 PM
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34. I don't know who's attacking us
some of them probably are "extremists", but there's no reason they have to be, I think any invading army should expect similar attacks, including any army that tried to invade our country.

Like the guy on the plane that supposedly said "Let's roll," I think he turned out to be a conservative Christian, but if that story is true, he didn't kill those terrorists because he was an "extremist", he did it because he was defending his country.



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bedtimeforbonzo Donating Member (344 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 12:08 PM
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17. that top one is Israeli
not from Iraq. Not a sniper, either.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 12:10 PM
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18. I feel more pity than inspiration
Don't ever forget that these soliders are as much the victims of this scam of a Bush occupation as the Iraqis are.

:headbang:
rocknation
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Calli Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 12:14 PM
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21. Thats bad
I feel bad for them over there, all of em, Iraqies also. Those pics are not uplifting at all to me, its just war. Uplifting would be to see them home with their kids and families.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 12:21 PM
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26. Welcome to DU, Calli!
:hi: :toast: :hi:
rocknation
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heidiho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 12:24 PM
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28. Sorry, not uplifted
to see our young men in a horrible occupation of another country.
Any one of the people in these pictures (or the kitty) could be
already dead or be dead soon.

Nothing about Iraq is uplifting.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 12:24 PM
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29. Where did you find those?
I'd like to see some more. Can you give me the site? Thanks.
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Columbia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 12:44 PM
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41. Ok, my take
1 - Not Iraq, not a sniper, but kind of cute.

2,3,4,5 - All Iraq, but from last year early in the war. You can tell by the MOPP suits they are wearing.

6 - Doesn't look like anywhere I've ever seen in Iraq. Also, the absence of weapons tells me that this could be a training exercise stateside.

Overall, not very uplifting really. I have much more uplifting ones in my personal collection.
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mindfulNJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 03:35 PM
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45. Nice photos.
But I find nothing "uplifting" about them. They are photos of soldiers in an unjust, illegal, unnecessary and reckless war that is killing thousands. Any picture that shows this is not uplifting to me...cute kitty or no cute kitty.
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