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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 08:46 AM
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MSNBC on the fears of a draft right now
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buddy22600 Donating Member (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 08:53 AM
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1. Who the hell is talking about a draft
The only place I have ever heard a draft being discussed is here.
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ret5hd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 08:57 AM
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2. maybe you should spend a little time...
occasionaly reading up on the bills before the house and senate.

i would link to them for you, but i dont have the time to track them down. others will, i'm sure.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 08:58 AM
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3. Yeah. Faux doesn't like to talk about it much
google a bit and you may find some bills in congress funding the draft for July of 2005.
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Goldmund Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 09:00 AM
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4. look at this
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Imperialism Inc. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 11:51 AM
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10. Wow. Guess they put your comment to rest.
In spades! So far from what I have seen of your posts it seems like maybe you should spend some more time researching before you start posting.

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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 09:15 AM
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5. Good. wake people up . So far they dont mind sending other
peoples kids. Bout time they started being afraid.
www.bushdraft.com
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 09:20 AM
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6. An administration guy from the pentagon was on c-span in 2001
..somewhere around March or April.. I was in the other room, and when I heard him speaking ..I thought DRAFT.. People were calling in like crazy and he "pooh-poohed" it, but I had the feeling that this was a trial balloon.. SIX MONTHS BEFORE 9-11..
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LastLiberal in PalmSprings Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 09:45 AM
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7. Some of today's draft discussions outside DU
Talk about the draft isn't limited to DU. Here's some stuff I just got from Google News:

Concern about Bush's handling of the Iraq war looms large on college campuses. At several of his appearances, Kerry has been questioned about the possibility of reinstating the draft to fill the military ranks, a step he opposes. The query harkens to an era Kerry knows well - the Vietnam period.
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/politics/8451290.htm?1c

For the U.S.'s future in Iraq, we do have an inkling of what's to come. Bush has stepped on a red anthill with someone's else foot. We can anticipate many more deaths by conjuring our misguided experience in Vietnam. If he ends up reinstating the draft to supply human fodder for his endless wars, like Johnson, he will be subjected to an endless weapon of mass shouting: "Hell no, we won't go!" http://www.opednews.com/arvey041804_insane_coursehtm.htm

Fears of the draft on this campus have been rising with the death toll. http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4760088/

Word is again whizzing around the Web and some college campuses that the nation will have to re-institute the military draft to get enough troops to fill the ranks in Iraq. Periodically since the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, rumors of a looming draft have surfaced, only to be knocked down each time by the Pentagon as pure nonsense. http://www.knoxstudio.com/shns/story.cfm?pk=IRAQ-DRAFT-04-15-04&cat=II

Since the start of the Iraq War last year, worrisome murmurs have been rustling on college campuses about a possible reinstatement of the military draft. Two bills that were introduced in Congress shortly before the onset of war propose a two-year military call-up of men and women between the ages of 18 and 26. http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/137-04152004-282972.html





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Ivote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 09:51 AM
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8. Draft Watch
The following bills that deal with the DRAFT are as follows:
In the Senate S 89
In the House HR 163

Those are the numbers for the resolutions. So far I havent heard of any discussions on the floor of either chamber.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 10:18 AM
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9. This is Dems Will Win, DU Draft Expert
Edited on Mon Apr-19-04 10:40 AM by Dems Will Win
PLEASE stop talking about the Democratic bills. They are not needed for a DRAFT. The Selective Service is activating the real DRAFT as we speak, gearing up the CO process for the first time in 30 years and holding nationwide draft exercises, even down to drawiong the numbered balls and issuing exam notices.

The Dem bills are protests and will never even come to the floor as they DRAFT WOMEN AND THE GOP HATES THAT!!

Plus the bills are from the last Congress and are now officially DEAD.

THe GOP is getting ready to DRAFT hundreds of thousands of 20 year-old men and you all are talking about 2 irrelevant bills that are not needed and WILL NEVER BE PASSED!

WAKE UP AND SMELL THE REPUBLICAN LOTTERY BALLS!!

BUSH '04 = DRAFT 'O5

The following timeline gives you the main events indicating the resumption of the military draft. According to this, the draft will be needed to maintain troop levels in Iraq past March 2005, barring double deployments. $28 million is allocated by the Selective Service to reduce activation time from the current 8 months to 75 days by March 31, 2005. If Bush asks Congress on April 1, 2005 to reinstate conscription, the first Draft Lottery could be June 15, 2005. A Medical Draft and a new Special Skills Draft would also be activated automatically.

Impending Draft Timeline

1994 – The Grand Chessboard by Zbignew Brzezinski compares Central Asia to a chess game with Russia and China--which must eventually result in an American “win”. Control of the world’s oil supply and dominance in the 21st Century is at stake, as cheap oil ends in the 2010s. Noting that the Central Asian Republics are infinitely more important than any other region--save the Mideast--because “an enormous concentration of natural gas and oil reserves is located in the region, in addition to important minerals, including gold… Any successful American policy must focus on Eurasia as a whole and be guided by a Geostrategic design…That puts a premium on maneuver and manipulation in order to prevent the emergence of a hostile coalition that could eventually seek to challenge America's primacy…"
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0465027261/102-5321285-9753763?v=glance

1990s – “Project For A New American Century” and other right-wing organizations develop strategy for a “uni-polar world” ruled by the United States with many US bases in the Mideast and Central Asia. Invading Iraq and controlling the world’s oil supply becomes the Neo-Con manifesto.
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/nightline/DailyNews/pnac_030310.html
http://www.presentdanger.org/pdf/frontier/1031neocon.pdf
Article by Will Pitt: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article1665.htm
http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf

September 11, 2001 – The 9-11 Attack. A “War on Terror” is begun by Bush with the agreement of the Congress. In the mission of the Selective Service, it is stated that the Volunteer Army is only intended for peacetime. In case of war, the nation may turn to the Selective Service. That is why it must always be kept as an option, even if dormant.

January 8, 2002 - On January 8, 2002, President Bush signed the No Child Left Behind Act, supposedly to provide accountability education policies. Yet hidden within the 670-page piece of legislation is Section 9528: “…each local educational agency receiving assistance under this Act shall provide, on a request made by military recruiters or an institution of higher education, access to secondary school students names, addresses, and telephone listings.” All schools must comply with this unfunded mandate or they lose their federal funding. This amounts to legislated blackmail for student names. The act also says: “A secondary school student or the parent of the student may request that the student’s name, address, and telephone listing … not be released without prior written parental consent, and the local educational agency or private school shall notify parents of the option to make a request and shall comply with any request.”
http://www.ed.gov/policy/elsec/leg/esea02/index.html

Early 2003 - Iraq War, 250,000 out of 480,000 active-duty troops deployed, conquer Iraq within a few weeks. Yet the U.S. has no plan ready for reconstruction or democracy and Iraqis, happy at liberation from Saddam, grow sour at the slow pace, the continued lack of electricity and fuel and the isolated civil control of the CPA. Garner soon replaced by Bremer who is no better at speeding up Reconstruction, and the resistance grows with disaffected Iraqis, old regrouped Baathists and new foreign fighters. Except for the British, substantial foreign troops are impossible, given Bush’s desire to keep total control of Iraq. The lack of diplomacy, planning and incompetence adds years to the time high US troop levels will be needed to maintain control of Iraq and rebuild and exploit its oilfields.

Summer 2003 – Philadelphia Draft Board members “unexpectedly” told to recruit new members for Board vacancies during Summer training. (from Nov. 3 Salon article)
http://archive.salon.com/news/feature/2003/11/03/draft/index_np.html

July 25, 2003 – World Net Daily article on plans for the medical draft (HCPDS). System could draft up to 80,000 doctors, nurses and specialists, men and women.
http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=33754

September 3, 2003 – The Congressional Budget Office warns that “the Army lacks sufficient active-duty forces to maintain its current level of nearly 150,000 troops in Iraq beyond next spring (march 2004). "The Army does not have enough active-duty component forces to simultaneously maintain the occupation at its current size, limit deployments to one year, and sustain all of its other commitments" http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A16689-2003Sep2?language=printer

September 23, 2003 – Draft Board Recruitment ad appears on Defense.Link site. First public ad for Draft Boards in decades. Page scrubbed within a few days of being noticed by some media in early November. Spokesman says there is “no plan” to reinstate draft, which must be authorized by Congress. http://www.defendamerica.mil/articles/sss092203.html
http://www.thememoryhole.org/mil/draft-boards.htm

October 16, 2003 – Donald Rumsfeld memo leaks, saying Iraq “will be a long, hard slog”. www.usatoday.com/news/washington/ executive/rumsfeld-memo.htm

Nov. 4, 2003 – NY Times article on Army Honor Guard Company B being sent to MidEast, revealing how thin troops are being stretched to cover the 2004-2005 rotation.
http://villagenews.weblogger.com/stories/storyReader$10007

Nov. 5, 2003 – Toronto Star article quotes Ned Lebow “This (draft board ad) is significant”, Lebow, a presidential scholar at Dartmouth College in New Hampshire and former professor of strategy at the National War College in Washington, adds, "What the department of defence is doing is creating the infrastructure to make the draft a viable option should the administration wish to go this route." http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1068073289288&call_pageid=968332188854

Nov. 5, 2003 – Guardian article on Draft Board ad. SSS spokesman Amon said 80% of 11,000 Draft Board slots are vacant. (2,000 local boards, over 8,000 empty seats) http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1077906,00.html

Nov. 12, 2003 – “If President Bush is re-elected, it is likely that he will reinstate the draft. The war on terrorism will not end in Iraq, but instead will proceed into countries like Syria and Iran," said Daniel Ellsberg, of Pentagon Papers fame. http://www.seacoastonline.com/news/11122003/news/60246.htm

November, 2003 – Selective Service 2004 “Performance Plan” summarizes how $28 million will be allocated in 2004 to reduce draft activation time from current 8 months to just 75 days. Nation-wide Readiness Exercises, testing the Draft Lottery and examination system, as well as gearing up the Medical Draft (3.4 million doctors and nurses, men and women age 20-44 are eligible). Ominously, the Alternative Service delivery system for Conscientious Objectors is readied for the first time in decades, with the SSS being funded to compile lists of available Alternative Service jobs for those who win non-military CO status. All systems will be pushed to reach 95% readiness during 2004.
http://www.sss/gov/perfplan_fy2004.html

Nov. 23, 2003 – Boston Globe article: “Army Reserve battling an exodus
War is seen as drain on ranks. The US Army Reserve fell short of its reenlistment goals this fiscal year, underscoring Pentagon fears that the protracted conflict in Iraq could cause a crippling exodus from the armed services.”
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2003/11/23/army_reserve_battling_an_exodus/

Nov. 24, 2003 – NY Times: Army plans for 100,000 troops until 2006 in Iraq.
http://www.iht.com/articles/118775.html

Nov. 26, 2003 – Ron Paul (R-TX) says “Draft likely to be reinstated”. http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul144.html

December, 2003 - Draft Board Recruitment ad re-appears on the Selective Service Home Page with 2 new sentences stressing the ad has “NO connection” to Iraq. (Scrubbed March 2004, replaced with NO DRAFT statement) http://www.sss.gov

Dec. 4, 2003 – Ted Rall predicts Bush will “have to bring back the draft.” Notes 8,000 empty Draft Board seats to be filled by Spring 2005. Wonders about a “February (2005) Surprise” if Bush is re-elected. http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=127&ncid=742&e=7&u=/uclicktext/20031204/cm_ucru/acolddraft

December 22, 2003 – In an article entitled “Beware of Attempts to Revive Military Draft,” Newsday reports that “the Center on Conscience and War… executive director, J. E. McNeil… has heard of rumblings, from the Republican side of the aisle in Congress, about a draft after the election”. The opinion piece worries whether a revived draft “would give this war-without-end presidency an endless source of warm bodies to pursue its cowboy foreign policy.” Author Keeler also wonders about a “February (2005) Surprise”.
http://www.newsday.com/news/opinion/ny-vpkee223594883dec22,0,6735184.story?coll=ny-viewpoints-headlines

December, 2003 - The Selective Service Register magazine talks about the new Special Skill Draft, a top priority for Director Lewis Brodsky. Like the Medical Draft, the Special Skills Draft will induct men and women up to age 44 if they have needed DoD skills like computer expertise, engineering or they are a linguist. As with the health care draftees, no medical deferments are allowed except for total disability. Anyone with these skills will have to register with the SSS if Bush is re-elected and asks Congress for this. Moving quickly!
http://www.sss.gov/PDFs/NovDec2003-Register.pdf (go to P. 6) – from sss,gov home page

December 29, 2003 - WP article: “Army Stops Many Soldiers From Quitting, Orders Extend Enlistments to Curtail Troop Shortages” 40,000 soldiers and Guard put on Stop-Loss. A “Draft Per Se” already exists! With the new stop-loss orders the Armed Forces actually go 20,000 past 480,000 active troops, to 500,000 active troops, the maximum before Congress steps in.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A36979-2003Dec28.html
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