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Snellius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 01:13 PM
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Condi was overheard saying: “As I was telling my husb—”
Political Conversation: Condi’s Slip
A pressing issue of dinner-party etiquette is vexing Washington, according to a story now making the D.C. rounds: How should you react when your guest, in this case national-security adviser Condoleezza Rice, makes a poignant faux pas? At a recent dinner party hosted by New York Times D.C. bureau chief Philip Taubman and his wife, Times reporter Felicity Barringer, and attended by Arthur Sulzberger Jr., Maureen Dowd, Steven Weisman, and Elisabeth Bumiller, Rice was reportedly overheard saying, “As I was telling my husb—” and then stopping herself abruptly, before saying, “As I was telling President Bush.” Jaws dropped, but a guest says the slip by the unmarried politician, who spends weekends with the president and his wife, seemed more psychologically telling than incriminating. Nobody thinks Bush and Rice are actually an item. A National Security Council spokesman laughed and said, “No comment.”

http://nymetro.com/nymetro/news/people/columns/intelligencer/n_10245/



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Wickerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 01:16 PM
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1. Condi's screw's are coming loose!
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PaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 11:16 PM
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95.  Margie Shoedinger, his rape victim, was African-American. n/t
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RobertSeattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 01:16 PM
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2. Hmmm. Someone PI needs to check Marriage records...
Or is this some strange 3-way?
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lalajohns Donating Member (67 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 01:18 PM
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5. LOL at your comment
Very, very funny!
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 05:23 PM
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84. Republicans or no, Condi & Laura in a "three-way freeway" would be awesome
that is such an inappropriate thing to say
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apnu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 01:18 PM
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3. LOL
:bounce: :silly: :bounce: :silly: :bounce: :silly: :bounce: :silly:
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mark0rama Donating Member (930 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 01:18 PM
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4. Bizarre.
At least she didn't say "my little boy."
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ender Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 01:33 PM
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19. thats karen's job.
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Arbustosux Donating Member (769 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 01:19 PM
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6. Doesn't matter, all the fundies would say is:
at least she isn't a young intern!

That distinction means alot to them
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 05:26 PM
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86. They make up their distinctions as the latest revelations come along
half the fun is seeing how they'll rationalize the newest conservative screw ups. Bill Bennet was a gift from heaven.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 01:20 PM
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atre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 01:22 PM
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10. Not just conservatives
... but more pronounced among them since it is so strikingly hypocritical.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 01:20 PM
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8. creepy
very creepy
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sspiderjohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 01:21 PM
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9. So, does she date? Anyone know the scoop on her personals? nt
nt
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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 01:25 PM
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With that scowl of hers
I picture her wearing black leather and carrying a whip.

Disclaimer: I don't care what anybody's lifestyle is.
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skypilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 01:23 PM
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11. A question.
Does Condi actually have a husband?
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 01:26 PM
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14. Nope
now we know why he goes to bed so early ;-)
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skypilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 01:30 PM
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17. OK, so this slip up...
...is even weirder than I first thought. At least if she had a husband her slip would be somewhat understandable. With no husband in the picture though it's really, really strange.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 01:35 PM
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25. What do 'ya mean? So Condi can dream of her hubby
What the fuck! I just heard that Lieberman is stumping with Kerry in Florida and that ain't no dream.

Hi Catlady
:hi:
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 01:53 PM
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43. heh
no, he pretends to go to bed early, so that he can cr-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-p.

:D
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 02:02 PM
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48. Sorry misread your post
"He" goes to bed early so he go for a moustache ride, 'eh? I got the picture now.
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Submariner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 11:58 PM
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97. Meet Mr. Rice
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 01:25 PM
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12. I've noticed that criticism of Rice from the left often include
Edited on Mon Apr-19-04 01:29 PM by AP
a sexual reference like the one that this story suggests.

And I've always thought that Bush was setting up Condi to be a fall-gal.

This story is kind of fucked up, and I wouldn't be surprised if it's not true at all but has either (1) found fertile ground in peoples' imaginations because it plays on racial and sexual stereotypes which are already present in peoples' thinking about her, or (2) it's part of Bush's plan for shifting the blame off himself and on to someone else in a way that people will find 'believable' and which plays on racist inclinations -- who is this black woman aspiring to be something above her station in life? She's an interloper in a white family and must have psychological problems. It's kind of like that awful movie, Gothika.

Or maybe it is a true story but signifies absolutely nothing, but will be heavily exploited for one of the two reasons above.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 01:37 PM
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26. Oh, I don't see it as racist. Condi is attractive and not married in her
40's. We don't ever hear about anything in her personal life. Why couldn't she be seen as having an affair with him? Or maybe she's having it with Laura?

It would be racist to think that he wouldn't find her attractive, wouldn't it?
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 01:46 PM
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35. Well, now that I know that it's OK to undermine people's professionalism..
...so long as they're unmarried and attractive and the opposite sex of their boss, I have a whole new way of thinking about office relationships.


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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 01:51 PM
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42. Oh, and by the way, the sexual availability of black women to white men...
...is a pretty common, old stereotype that works for Bush as well as against Rice, which means it isn't beneath Democrats to use it, sadly.

There's also the idea that a black women aspiring to enter a world normally reserved for white people is now seen as a threat to the integrity of a white family -- well, that's a very powerful racist stereotype. Throw inot that the implication in this gossip column that there's a some element of a psychological disorder involved, and you have, basically, the plot of Gothica, almost, which, in the first five minutes turned a professional black woman into a psychotic killer.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 02:22 PM
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61. Aaron McGruder might have been alluding to this in his columns which
seemed so harsh to me about her. They were funny, but I thought kind of OTT. What if he's heard or knows something? And, he was taking a chance trying to alert us that Shrub is having an affair.

Remember his "tring to find a boyfriend for Condi" series? These folks in Washington know what they are doing when they start slipping little tidbits out.

AP there may be a story here that's true. And if he's an adulterer it doesn't matter whether she's a professional Black woman or attractive or not, it's news. And, it could bring down his P-Residency. So, let the stories roll. There's enough weird circumstantial evidence. It's not like it's all something we conconcted here on DU.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 02:37 PM
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64. True or not, racist stereotypes gives this rumor fertile ground to grow.
What if someone said Reno or Albright was having an affair with Clinton? Clinton DID HAVE AN AFFAIR, yet the Reno or Albright (or any other rumor of a relationship with professional, well-educated, high-ranking women) would have died quickly.

The Clinton rumor which didn't die quickly? The one where he fathered a baby with a black prostitute.

Why?

Racist stereotypes about the sexual availability of black women to white men made the rumor especially titilating. For Republicans, it both said something about miscegination and about the appropriate roll of black women in American society, both of which they deeply believed. So it affirmed for them something they didn't like about Clinton, and something they don't like about black women.

There's another attituted about black women which Reagan played on: black peoples' problems have nothing to do with bad politics, structural poverty, etc. They have to do with uncontrolled sexuality. They have too many babies, which is a personal choice, which is beyond the realm of any politician to solve (beyond criticizing it).

That's another reason sexualizing your problems with Condi Rice comes so easily. As Americans, we're used to having (Republican) politicians remind us that black women (to paraphrase Mick Jagger) just want to have unprotected sex all night.

As for McGruder's cartoons, I only saw one and vaguely had the impression that it was sort of a meta-commentary about exactly what I'm talking about. I could be wrong. But I'd love to see all those cartoons together before I coment on them further.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 02:47 PM
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67. Furthermore, do you really think it matters if Bush is an adulterer with..
Edited on Mon Apr-19-04 02:51 PM by AP
...Rice?

She's clearly a better woman the Laura and, possibly, Monica Lewinsky, in some respects. However, that's not even the issue.

I'd rather avoid playing into obvious racial stereotypes. A one in a million or a one in ten chance it's true doesn't make this kind of thing more palatable.

It's best simply not to perpetuate attitudes towards black women which make it harder for them to have jobs like the one Rice is doing, even if you find her politics abhorrent.

I mean, isn't it enough just to criticize their politics? Why is sex so important? Certainly, you didn't think sex mattered with Clinton. Right?

And most importantly, if this whole rumor is being brought to you by the right wing as the set-up for making Rice the fall-gal, are you sure you want to enable it?

Just imagine how easy it will be for people to blame Rice rather than Bush for Iraq if people have in their minds that she's just a black women trying to be white, who's threatening the sanctity of the Bush family's marriage? Ugh. That'll really get white suburbanites in an ignorant lather.
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 05:19 PM
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83. Jefferson and Sally Hemmings, 21st Century Style.
eot
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 05:25 PM
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85. Very true
As a woman of color married to a white male, some draw the silly conclusion that I have been "legitimized," so to speak, by marrying my husband, and that seems to infuriate plenty of bigoted blacks and whites who are somehow threatened by our marriage.

For some, it's ok to play around behind the scenes outside the race, but it's something totally different to wed. After all, why would my DH pass up some 'gorgeous blonde' for a sista? (And this goes into yet ANOTHER unspoken yet painful issue in this country regarding standards of beauty juxtaposed with race).

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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 05:26 PM
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87. She'll be 50 on November 14th
nt
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 04:08 PM
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81. It seems one of those rumours, that a lot of significance should
not be given.


Having said that, I have often wondered why she spends so much non-work hour time with her boss and his wife.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 04:28 PM
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82. I don't even know how you'd begin to measure how much time...
Edited on Mon Apr-19-04 04:28 PM by AP
...is an appropriate amount of time to spend with your boss, the president, if you're the NS advisor in an administration that is ALL ABOUT nat'l security.

However, if you find the media is presenting images of Rice as always being around the Bush's during non-work related, domestic moments, one thing to consider is whether that was a set-up for this moment when Rice's time spent with the boss becomes a sexualized thing indicating mental instability and an inappropriate attempt to attain a social level for which racists think black women shouldn't reach.

It could be all part of the set-up to make Rice take the fall for Iraq.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 01:25 PM
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13. This whole administration....
seems to be losing their grip on what's real and what's not.
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soleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 01:27 PM
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15. It is conceivable she was making a joke, isn't it?
And okay - I'm the last person on the planet to defend Rice. but otherwise, this just is too bizarre for words.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 02:03 PM
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49. She doesn't seem to be the type to make jokes
From what I gather, the only time she smiles is when she lies or while passing gas.

Watch bush and Condi's body language.
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Lisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 08:22 PM
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90. if she intended it to be funny, she's picking up bad habits from Junior!
It casts a poor light on both her boss and his wife -- and on herself as well. Others on this thread have commented on the "woman-of-color stereotype" -- and Dr. Rice is certainly intelligent enough to be aware of this.


As Gene Wilder once lamented, "How do you explain 'bad taste' to someone who actually has it?"
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moof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 01:28 PM
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16. A rich white male & the hired help having sex !!??
Next thing you'll be trying to say Strom Thurmond had a love child
with his house servant.
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Cat Atomic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 01:31 PM
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18. That is a *very* strange slip of the tongue.
I'm not sure it even qualifies as a slip of the tongue, in fact. If she were married, then I can imagine easily making that mistake. She'd be used to recounting conversations with her husband. It'd be an often-used phrase.

But she's not married. Is she divorced?
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July Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 01:35 PM
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24. It's her not being married that makes it so odd.
Just plain pathetic, if it's true.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 01:41 PM
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30. What if he teases her? Saying he is her "absent husband" when they spend
all that time along discussing National Security. Was it Clarke or O'Neil's book which said they spend time behind closed doors.

Since the Chimp has so many nicknames maybe that's what he refers to her as "his other wifey" or something like that. And, she refers to him as "hubby." Either way, it's really weird.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 08:54 PM
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93. Yes, but he manifestly does not like spending lots of time dealing with
issues. Look at his attention span, his not liking to read, his needing a "Cliffs Notes" version of a PDB - only one or two pages, max. Would he be spending "all that time" discussing national security? And behind closed doors? Heck, this guy can't wait to take the weekend off. His weekends start Wednesday afternoons. All this guy wants to do is kick back, in the greatest and most pampered luxury possible.

All I can say is, if this were a Democrat in the White House with this going on, or heaven forbid it were Clinton, there would be FAR more fiery reaction than what we see here. Think about it.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 03:23 PM
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77. Nope, never married
and never even had a serious boyfriend as far as anyone knows.

The only thing I've ever heard at all is that she's got a crush on some football player and they've date a couple of times.

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cosmicdot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 01:34 PM
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20. did * say something about the sanctity of marriage?
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 01:34 PM
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21. Never hear of her being "escorted" to any functions or anything about
romantic interests. As with all of them their backgrounds have been sealed as far as personal life goes. Amazing no one ever wondered before why she spends so much time at Camp David and at "The Ranch." There have been little comments here and there in news stories, but it left folks thinking that she is just lonely and isn't it great the Bushes take her everywhere with them. Sort of like being family to the spinster auntie.

I, personally would begin to wonder if my husband insisted on bringing a co-worker everywhere with us including on vacations, but hey...it's the Bush World. We are supposed to accept anything without questioning.
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DemLikr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 01:34 PM
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22. eeeeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww...
Edited on Mon Apr-19-04 01:36 PM by DemLikr
...gross. Totally gross.

Man, I can't wait until the real story on these psychos comes out. We all have our quirks, but it's the right-wingers who always go way over the top in their self-repression and end up losing it.

Recent example: Rush Limbaugh

My guess on Condi and Shrub:
The relationship is platonic, BUT she harbors a strong crush on George, of which he is aware. He in turn, flirts and works Condi to keep her panting after him for his own affirmation, and because he enjoys worshipful companions and manipulating others. Laura, who could care less, as long as it's all kept out of the papers, looks the other way.

Yuck. Quite codependent and sick, really.

I bet Condi plays in front of the mirror and has "conversations" with her "husband" George, as though they were married and living at the Crawford faux ranch.
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YellowRubberDuckie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 01:35 PM
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23. Y'all, I just had a really gross mental image...
...and I want to bleach my brain.
Duckie
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DemLikr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 01:38 PM
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27. God, Duckie, that "cat(?)" in your sig look a bit pissed, no? n/t
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Doctor Pedantic Donating Member (210 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 01:39 PM
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28. Isn't It Possible
That Condi recently got married and wanted to keep it a secret? (Hey -- it worked for Janet Jackson, who did a masterful Condi impression on SNL, for nine years!) She could have then covered her tracks by changing the subject from her hidden husband to Bush.

I agree that it's a bizarre slip of the tongue if she has never had a husband at all.

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Ripley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 01:43 PM
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31. Janet was a regular on SNL?
Geez, I guess I haven't watched that show in years. That's shocking that she was on it for 9 years and did Condi!!

BTW, your assessment is probably more accurate than a "relationship" with the Chimp. And if she didn't secretly get married, she might have a long-term boyfriend she refers to as "husband."
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Doctor Pedantic Donating Member (210 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 01:46 PM
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34. Ah, follow the commas..
She guest hosted SNL on April 9. She kept her marriage a secret for nine years.
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Ripley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 02:16 PM
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56. Doh!
:dunce:
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Blasphemer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 01:47 PM
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39. I was thinking along those lines....
My first thought is that changing the topic of conversation to Bush was to cover for the fact that she used the word "husband" when she is supposedly unmarried. It might not be a recent marriage. Weren't there rumors of her dating a married (but separated) man? If this were a long term relationship, she might consider him her husband even without an actual marriage. I really cannot imagine her mistakenly referring to Dubya as her husband unless the thing with Laura really IS arranged and it's been Condi all along. I find that hard to believe.
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Maine-i-acs Donating Member (989 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 01:40 PM
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29. Reminds me of their Thanksgiving Plastic-turkey junket:
It was described how they snuck out of Crawford in normal clothes and baseball caps, 'like any normal married couple' or something similar ...
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 01:44 PM
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33. I had forgotten about that...."normal married couple." hmm . Why would
press report that, and I distinctly heard that on CNN, now that you've jogged my memory. At the time I though it was strange because that was the height of his popularity and it almost sounded like a "snipe" from the reporter who was male not the female they have now covering him on CNN.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 01:47 PM
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37. right
George said they appeared to be "any normal couple" when they were disguised and riding in an unmarked SUV.

That was odd.

THIS is inexplicable.

The only way she could have "slipped" is if there has been some prior discussion or joking about being married to Bush. It just isn't in a never-married woman's mind to accidentally refer to someone as her "husband."
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 01:48 PM
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40. I remember Thanksgiving....
Bush was crouched down in the limo under his baseball cap nervously telling 'Condi'..."I'm ready to turn the baby around, Condi", wondering if the press had gotten wind of the trip. My hero.
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Spoon Donating Member (401 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 01:43 PM
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32. Your Bush/Rice pic is rather sexy.
Mainly because you can't see his smirking face.
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Homer12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 01:46 PM
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36. Bush and Condi Rice Scandal
That would bring our selected Misleader down.

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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 01:51 PM
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41. if they flip over clintons monica
bah ha ha ha
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jackstraw45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 01:47 PM
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38. Chimp, Pickles and Rice makes three!
"Jaws dropped, but a guest says the slip by the unmarried politician, who spends weekends with the president and his wife, seemed more psychologically telling than incriminating."


Some kinky stuff going on at Camp David?
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liarliartieonfire Donating Member (448 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 01:59 PM
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47. Is The OVAL OFFICE a "hotbed" for this sort of weird stuff?
I'm sure the two of them are very close, probably know everything there is to know about each other. I imagine they've shared some personal secrets, as two close friends/coworkers generally do.

But a public statement like this one DOES make ya wonder where its roots are.
If Oval Office Walls Could Talk.

Wasn't Bush's mantra one of restoring dignity to the Oval Office!
Go Figure!
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Gin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 04:01 PM
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80. "Chimp, Pickles and Rice" ....new Lean Quisine dinner option......on sale
now at walmart!
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 01:57 PM
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44. I've always been suspicious of those two.
Before Bush* was selected, I saw on camera how he embraced Condi and I thought that was a very telling embrace and kiss. Either that, Bush was trying to imitate Mr. Casanova Clinton. But if they are having an affair, Condi can do waaaaaay better than that!
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 01:58 PM
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45. p.s.
If you notice that photo, it looks like Bush's eyes are open and Condi's eyes are closed. Hmmm...... LOL!
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LadeJarl Donating Member (197 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 01:58 PM
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46. Maybe she likes
women and not men. Nothing wrong with that of course.

But saying that Condi is pretty is going out on a limb. She looks like a poster child for a female bitch IMHO (Note: I said female since you also have male bitches!)

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sspiderjohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 02:06 PM
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50. This is not a "normal" slip -- Methinks Condi has a crush . . . nt
nt
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liarliartieonfire Donating Member (448 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 02:13 PM
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53. Does Condi have a Blue Dress Too??
Hello, Linda Tripp? We got a job for you. We promise lots of cash and a full body makeover.
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 02:09 PM
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51. Bizzarre........
I think there are so many possibilities here we shouldn't even speculate.
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 02:21 PM
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59. I've heard that Condi was dating a married man
can't remember where I heard it, tho.
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peekaloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 02:10 PM
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52. I'll bet Condi was the "author" of those crappy poems
"lump in my bed" reference to Pickles.

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gauguin57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 02:15 PM
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54. yoo hoo, mister president ...


"Happy Birthday, Mister President ... Happy Birthday to yoooouuuu ... Come here, you big neocon hunk of fascist religious fanaticism ..."
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 02:22 PM
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60. Hunka hunka burning fascism!!
You rock my world, you born again pseudo-cowboy!
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peekaloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 02:26 PM
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63. it may not be Armageddon but the earth WILL move!
eeewwwwww I feel nauseous. :puke:
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liarliartieonfire Donating Member (448 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 02:23 PM
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62. HAAAAAA!! Gauguin, this is hillarious a post..
Good Laugh
Thanks
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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 08:13 PM
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89. LOL! Very funny, yet creepy at the same time
Mrs. Condoleeza Bush, Mrs. George W. Bush, Ms. Condi Bush, Condoleeza Rice Bush, Vice President Condi Rice Bush, Chimpy's Gal, Condi Rice Chimp, Mrs. Chimporer, The Honorable Condoleeza Rice Bush....:evilgrin:
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 02:16 PM
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55. Oooof, Condi
You can do waaay better than that. If this guy wasn't born rich and powerful, he'd be your meter reader. And you'd hate him, since he'd fuck up your gas bill every month.
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 02:17 PM
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57. It's the cult mentality
They're all married to their leader and will defend and die for him.
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qb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 02:21 PM
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58. I think she's betrayed her fantasy.
She's probably had a crush on him since her days with Bush I. In that photo she looks positively ecstatic to be cheek to cheek with the boy king.
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Lisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 02:58 PM
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69. she'd better be willing to duke it out with Karen Hughes!
Judging by the way she writes about him, I suspect Karen's been entertaining the same fantasy.


As someone posted earlier -- it IS weird for a single woman, especially one who's not in her teens/twenties anymore (the age when I, and other I knew, were capable of singleminded obsession with guys) to make any kind of mental slip.
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LizW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 02:40 PM
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That's weird and sad
I thought Condi dated some professional athlete at one time.

I know women go for men with money and power, but, eeewwwwwwwwwwwwwww! All the power and money in the world couldn't make Bush* attractive enough!

:puke:
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 02:40 PM
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65. Also, why is she at the NYT dinner party?
Edited on Mon Apr-19-04 02:43 PM by robbedvoter
Isn't NYT supposed to...report on her, her husb...BFEE?
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 02:50 PM
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68. Glad you brought that up! I wondered also. Interesting how they are all
"embedded" with each other. No wonder the reporting is so lousy. Are you going to go to a party with someone and then write a nasty story about them the next day?

Socializing and reporting, unless one is a "gossip columnist" should be a "no no." I can understand columnists like Dowd and Novak, but not Elizabeth Bumeiller who does do straight reporting.
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 06:21 PM
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88. didn't this socializing between reporters and pols really get going w/ JFK
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 02:43 PM
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66. Wheeeeeeee ! ! !
Man this is Ripe
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sspiderjohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 03:03 PM
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70. I checked -- she used to date NFL official Gene Washington, who . . .
is (was?) separated from his wife -- had three kids -- was asst athletic director at Stanford when she was the provost -- he was also a former receiver for the 49'rs. But they didn't really date, they were (are?) just good friends.

Article also said she and Bush are personally close because of mutual love of sports and religion -- she leads prayers on AF1, and sits at the piano and leads gospel sing-a-longs, too -- and she is such a football fanatic she'd like to be the NFL commish one day.

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Lisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 03:08 PM
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73. wasn't there something about them both lifting weights together ...
... in the private gym at the Crawford house? (I was going to say "pumping iron" at first but I've already passed my quota of double entendres for today.)

That was when Condi allegedly told * that she wanted to be in charge of the NFL (presumably after he said he is still fantasizing about being MLB Commissioner).
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 03:05 PM
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71. As a life-long single myself
Edited on Mon Apr-19-04 03:07 PM by Lydia Leftcoast
I have never uttered the words "my husband," nor have I ever heard any of my life-long single woman friends do so.

When I was dating someone, I referred to him as "my gentleman friend."

Has anyone considered another possibility? That she's secretly married to some other high-level member of the White House staff?
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AgadorSparticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 03:53 PM
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78. Lydia, when I was single, I never slipped on the husband word, either.
In fact, both my husband and I had to get used to using the husband/wife labels after we got married. It was strange to hear and use. Didn't take long, but we had to get used to it nevertheless. I can't imagine making that kind of a slip. I think something is going on there. She spends way too much time with him. I don't remember seeing any NSA so close to the president in the past. Something smells really bad with those two.
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Snellius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 03:07 PM
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72. Bush must eat up her twaddle about "bold, strong leadership"
Edited on Mon Apr-19-04 03:11 PM by Snellius
about "vigorous and robust action". She's the perfect ego-sucking sycophant.


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hedda_foil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 03:14 PM
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74. As soon as I read this Blumenthal piece, I thought of that.
http://www.salon.com/opinion/blumenthal/2004/04/08/condi/index.html

Single and single-minded in her devotion, she is among his most intimate aides, accompanying him and the first lady on their weekends to Camp David.

The wording is very suggestive and Blumenthal is careful about his wording.


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sspiderjohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 03:19 PM
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76. Will they remain this close after Bush leaves office?
I wonder what Laura thinks about the whole thing.
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Design8edGrouch Donating Member (78 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 08:50 PM
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92. I have a different take on it altogether.
For several years, we have heard of this semi-hush relationship between Bush and that Ashe guy in Tennessee. So maybe what we have here is 3 people trying to pass as straight. It's Laura and Condi and Bush and Ashe. As far as calling Laura her husband, Laura is definitely more masculine than either Condi or Bush. And Bush just loves her as the person that keeps Laura occupied.
(As a final note, if I am not heard from again the secret police have come for me.)
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-04 07:11 AM
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101. hedda, agree, it does look like Blumenthal is suggesting something,
One wonders why Laura would tolerate this. When Blumenthal uses "devotion,"intimate" and "accompanying him and the first lady" it leaves it out there for speculation.
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 03:18 PM
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75. that picture makes me very sad
for her, which stuns me, cause I really loathe her

but that photo.....

suddenly, all her vulnerabilities are laid bare; hse looks like a sixteen year-old, anxious to be kissed for the first time by her first love.

she looks SO young

now......back to reality

I was going to say something very nasty about her, but what good does it do....must makes me feel angrier than I already am

had a conversation yesterday with one of my oldest friends, who's been taking a break from politics since starting to pay attention to Dr. Weil, who says it's not very healthy to keep up on the news.

I'm sure many/most here have a hard time getting to sleep some nights.

I've found I have to get offline earlier and earlier if I want to be able to a decent night's worth.

wonder how the MONSTERS sleep at night.

are they all, like Powell says, doing Ambien?
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VeniceBeat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 03:57 PM
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79. Word!
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 08:43 PM
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91. Clinton must have left his pheromones behind in the Oval Office...
It's gotten them all randy...

:evilgrin:
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 08:57 PM
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94. I hope there's a black baby somewhere
and that bogus story about McCain's black baby will haunt Bush.

For the record, McCain has an adopted daughter from Bangladesh. (How many Republicans have that much goodness in their hearts?)
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fortyfeetunder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 11:30 PM
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96. Rice as a side dish (Bush vs Sen Gary Hart)
About 20 years ago...Sen Gary Hart (D-CO, a prospective Presidential nominee got himself in trouble with his relationship with a young lady named Donna Rice. Hart was also married and IIRC it was divulged there was an affair. That revelation cost Hart any chance at a nomination. Damaged him professionally

So I'd doubt Dubya would be having Condi Rice as a side dish....
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AlienGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-04 12:56 AM
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98. OMG, could Effie be right?!
My roomie Effie said she thought from the body language that Shrub and Rice are having an affair. I told her I thought she was seeing things, and she said she has a +3 advantage in "seeing politician's affairs that nobody's supposed to know about."

Now I'm wondering if she might actually be right!

Tucker
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-04 01:46 AM
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99. Could be, seems its a set up, Rice knew what she was sayin
it was intentional.

In her twisted mind, she is in love with the Boss, wants him for herself, wishes divorce so she can marry him....

or,


there is something going down that is suspicious and perhaps risque/ clever. A Distraction perhaps.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-04 01:48 AM
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100. I still think they are having an affair. (nt)
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Nlighten1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-04 07:23 AM
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102. Does Chimpy have jungle fever?
OMG...what will his redneck supporters think of this?
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