Wellstone plane copilot's link to 9-11 Moussaoui !!!!!!

[bobbieinok]

This came up Sat eve, and many may have missed it.

The info was new to me.

The thread provides the context of 9-11 - connection to Wellstone made in #12; additional DU context in #19.

THIS IS TOTALLY BIZARRO.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1427590

[Dover]

1. I hadn't heard that either

Another possible MIHOP murder story.

Also found this article interesting on so many levels. What if all the talk of flight training was either bogus or meant to convince both the 9/11 "hijackers" and the public that they were doing the flying?


Robot Plane Drops Bomb in Successful California Test, Boeing Says

The Associated Press
Published: Apr 18, 2004

LOS ANGELES (AP) - A robotic plane deliberately dropped a bomb near a truck at Edwards Air Force Base on Sunday, marking another step forward for technology the U.S. military hopes will one day replace human pilots on dangerous combat missions.
Under human supervision but without human piloting, a prototype of the Boeing Co.'s X-45 took off from the desert base, opened its bomb bay doors, dropped a 250-pound Small Smart Bomb and then landed.

The inert bomb struck within inches of the truck it was supposed to hit, Boeing said, adding that had the bomb contained explosives, the target would have been destroyed.

...

Boeing hopes to build hundreds of the X-45 planes, which would cost $10 million to $15 million each.

http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGA1BETR7TD.html

[9215]

2. Kick

Michael Guess' death is just too coincidental.

[gandalf]

3. I think

this deserves another :kick:

[Beam Me Up]

4. yep yep more stuff:

Collen Rowley, the FBI agent attempting to expose the so called "twentieth hijacker", Zacarias Moussaoui, one month before 9/11 was treated badly by her superiors. The one most responsible for denying Rowley's request for a search warrant on Moussaoui's computer, Marion Bowman, was given an award by President Bush: http://www.charleston.net/stories/011003/ter_10fbi.shtml

"An FBI supervisor whose headquarters unit denied a pre-Sept. 11 search warrant against Zacarias Moussaoui has won a presidential citation and large cash bonus, incentives the agency's congressional critics say reward incompetence."

"Coincidentally" Michael Guess, the copilot of the doomed airplane that killed Democratic Senator Paul Wellstone when it crashed before the 2002 election, had a connection to Moussaoui:

MINNEAPOLIS - The co-pilot who died in the crash of Sen. Paul Wellstone's plane played a minor role in the case of Zacarias Moussaoui, the alleged Sept. 11 conspirator who briefly attended an Eagan flight school. <snip>

Dave Mona, a spokesman for Executive Aviation, said Guess' colleagues had said that Guess had described himself as "at least a role player" in the detection of Moussaoui. Mona said Guess told his colleagues that "he and the receptionist . . . thought what (Moussaoui) was requesting was unusual" and raised the issue with others.
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/JohnJudge/linkscopy/PWcopilot.html

The 9/11 Commission is now saying that had the Moussaoui incident been made public in August 2001, 9/11 might not have happened. From LAST FRIDAY'S Washington Post:

9/11 Panel Points to Missed Chances
Publicizing Threat Might Have Halted 'Jumpy' Hijackers

By Dan Eggen
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, April 17, 2004; Page A01

The commission investigating the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks has concluded that the hijackers would probably have postponed their strike if the U.S. government had announced the arrest of suspected terrorist Zacarias Moussaoui in August 2001 or had publicized fears that he intended to hijack jetliners.

A report on the case released this week noted that "publicity about the threat" posed by Moussaoui "might have disrupted the plot." Commission Chairman Thomas H. Kean (R) said the conclusion is based in part on extensive psychological profiles of the Sept. 11 hijackers, who were "very careful and very jumpy."

"Everything had to go right for them," Kean said. "Had they felt that one of them had been discovered, there is evidence it would have been delayed."

Such a delay could have given the FBI, the CIA, and British and French intelligence services more time to discover Moussaoui's ties to al Qaeda and the terrorist cell in Germany that planned the attack. The FBI also might have had more time to track down two hijackers who had entered the country but were not located before the attacks.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A18864-2004Apr16.html

[gandalf]

5. Here is another interesting death shortly after 9/11

That Michael Guess, who died as a co-pilot of Wellstone’s plane, had connections to the alleged hijackers, is indeed another bizarre coincidence. It is interesting because there is at least one other case in which someone perhaps connected to the terrorists died shortly after 9/11 in a very mysterious way, through anthrax. Up to day, it is still unclear who sent these anthrax letters, and it doesn’t seem to interest anybody.
In both cases the dead had had sometimes in their life a job in law enforcement.

Here follows an excerpt of the very revealing paper of Chaim Kupferberg on the construction of the official 9/11 legend (which remembers me of John le Carré’s Little Drummer Girl novel) that describes the other interesting death.

There's Something About Omar:
Truth, Lies, and The Legend of 9/11
http://globalresearch.ca/articles/KUP310A.html

Perhaps Binalshibh might have added that it would also allow Atta and his comrades to lay an incriminating trail in the presence of bona fide American eyewitnesses, and all within shouting distance of the military handlers at MacDill Air Force Base. As an added bonus, two of Atta's fellow hijackers would also be set up with rental accommodations by the wife of the employee of a C.I.A.-founded company. Gloria Irish, the wife of the tabloid Sun editor Michael Irish, rented a Delray Beach apartment to hijackers Marwan Al-Shehhi and Saeed Alghamdi.

Perhaps it is a coincidence, but the very first victim of the post-9/11 anthrax attacks also happened to be a Sun photo editor by the name of Bob Stevens. And perhaps another peculiar coincidence, as reported in the St. Petersburg Times on October 15, 2001:

"Mike Irish, who, records show, is a licensed airplane pilot, several years ago was a member of the Civil Air Patrol based at a small-plane airport in Lantana, just north of Delray Beach, an official there told the Washington Post. One of the hijackers, Atta, reportedly rented a plane at that airport to practice flying for three days in August. Stevens, the Sun photo editor who died of anthrax Oct. 5, also lives in Lantana. But there is no indication whether Irish or Stevens ever crossed paths with Atta."

To anyone familiar with covert operations, the above item would perhaps set off alarm bells. In theory, if Atta and his comrades were intelligence assets, they would be handled by resident, intelligence-connected, "babysitters" whose job it would be to set up accommodations and provide support where needed. Were the Irishes "babysitters" in an intelligence operation?

Again, the example of Lee Harvey Oswald provides a compelling comparative framework: Oswald's entree into the military/intelligence milieu dated from his entry, at the age of 15, into the Civil Air Patrol, which was co-founded by D.H. Byrd, the owner of the Texas School Book Depository. Oswald served under captain David Ferrie, a pilot who was later heavily involved in C.I.A. anti-Castro operations out of Florida and Louisiana (and who mysteriously died within days of being publicly outed as a possible witness in the JFK assassination probe conducted by New Orleans prosecutor Jim Garrison).

Upon Oswald's return from the Soviet Union, his closest acquaintance was George DeMohrenschildt, a man who - according to DeMohrenschildt's own testimony - was directed by the C.I.A. Domestic Contacts Division to "babysit" Oswald. Incidentally, DeMohrenschildt was found dead on the very day that investigator Gaeton Fonzi came to interview him on behalf of the House Select Committee on Assassinations (the last official government investigation of the JFK assassination, which ruled the assassination a "probable conspiracy"). A search of DeMohrenchildt's belongings by Fonzi yielded up DeMohrenschildt's personal address book, which contained the name and former home address of then-C.I.A. Director George H.W. Bush.