Bad blood at Air America?

[Puglover]

Is there bad blood between Randi and Al Franken.....she was just talking to a caller about how she's done being gracious and Mccain was told (not sure by who) NOT to go into her studio. What gives? Anyone know?

[BlueEyedSon]

1. That saddens me.

But hey, it's the real world - even if they're all liberals....

[skooooo]

2. why read more into her statement...

than what's there????!

[Puglover]

3. Who read anything?

I asked....if you don't know or arent interested don't answer.

[skooooo]

6. you quote her....

and then bring Al Franken into the mix and start wondering if there's not bad blood between them. Makes no sense. Thanks for your courtesy.

[Selwynn]

18. Umm... there's no reading into involved - I heard it too.

[sangh0]

36. Randi blamed Franken?

Is that what you heard?

[truthspeaker]

57. The quote in the OP suggests bad blood between Rhodes & McCain

Doesn't say anything about Franken. If there's more, please post it.

[funkybutt]

4. I noticed that too!

I really don't like to hear that there is bad blood over there at Air America! I think they should all get along. It's a real shame.

[Exgeneral]

48. sure, they should take a lesson from DU

LOL

[qb]

5. I'm guessing she wants to tear McCain a new one for sucking up to *

and someone just warned him away from her studio.

[Puglover]

7. Lol...yeah that makes sense...

N/T

[Edgewater_Joe]

8. Which is exactly what happened

She basically called McCain a liar and an idiot for continuing to support Bush even after the Woodward allegations.

[Puglover]

11. Which he is actually...

Al tries to walk more down the middle and maybe was trying to avoid a "situation" She sounded less then pleased. As great as she is she seems to be abit of a prima donna. (Which all you flammees is NOT an insult)

[Misunderestimator]

9. I think it's bad blood between Randi and republicans

Didn't sound like bad blood between her and Franken. I just think he's a little more center leaning than Randi, which is why he has a guest on like McCain, who repeatedly said in his interview today that he still agreed that we should have gone to war in Iraq. Why should Randi have some other host's guest come into her private studio, when she has completely different views and would have raked him over the coals for such a comment. Franken just let his comment kinda slide.

[Puglover]

13. Welcome to DU Misunderestimator! Great name!

n/t

[Misunderestimator]

58. Thanks for the welcome

I have spent most of my time over at smirkingchimp (someone else here has my nick from over there already, so I chose this one.) Thought I'd try out this site for a change. Pretty cool site with lots of features, I think I'll like it here. :) Unfortunately, I still have to get some actual work done, but am browsing the threads first before contributing too much.

[Robbien]

10. I wonder how long it will be before NewsMax will say "Bad Blood at AA"

Not too long I bet.

[skooooo]

12. That was my point......

Speculative threads irritate me.

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16. good then start using it

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[snooper2]

15. A little bit of bad blood...

She mentioned (them) never mentioning her show while she gives them kudos...I think Franken has a little bit of an ego problem myself...

Basically McCain was going to walk in the wrong studio (her's) and I guess her door was open because "somebody" in the other studio said, "Oh, don't go in there".

[sophie996]

34. oh noooo....

ego problems? among radio personalities?

golly--ya think?

:wow: :wow: :wow: :wow:

[AP]

20. manufactured controversy for ratings?

Or, at least, exaggerated.

Wouldn't be a dumb thing for a commercial radio station to do.

You want to get people talking about your programs and listening.

It also develops for the hosts "characters" and everybody loves a story with good characters.

If you think Randi and Al are going to have a little spat over how respectable John McCain is, well, first, it tells you something about their respective politics, and second it gets you to listen to see what they say about each other.

This is why Howard Stern is so huge -- controversy and good characterization.

[Puglover]

21. I never thought of that...

Randi is an expert at radio and a consummate entertainer...I think she will be a real driving force at AAR

[ConsAreLiars]

22. Why fabricate?

How do Randi's remarks about McCain give any justification to your suggestion that may be "bad blood" between her and Franken? Why do you wish to start this kind of rumor with no facts? Oh, I know about the "noble lie" form of politics and ethics. I just don't tolerate that stuff very well.

[Puglover]

25. WHAT IS WRONG with you people?

I ASKED a flipping question and you are jumping all over me? There is a question mark on the thread title...did you even hear the comments. I swear to god sometimes I can hardly wade through the self righteous paranoia here. It was a QUESTION...her comment was very pointed and I was CURIOUS. And someone wants to know what my "motive" was....jesus

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[Puglover]

41. LOL...I should take this into work and show it

to the republicans that wish I would vanish off the face of the earth on a daily basis. :) No for your info I'm most definately NOT a repuke. When I heard she say what she said I was confused thus my question. One of the other posters helped clarify (for me) what she probably meant. However, it did sound as if she was abit pissed at him....which is no biggie..happens all the time in business.
As to you inferring that I might be a "repuke" Check the board rules...you just broke one.

Edit for spelling

[sangh0]

44. What is wrong with you? Didn't you see the question mark?

I ASKED a flipping question and you are jumping all over me? There is a question mark on the subject line...did you even read the comments? I swear to god sometimes I can hardly wade through the self righteous paranoia here. It was a QUESTION...your comment was very pointed and I was CURIOUS. And someone wants to know what my "motive" was....jesus

Have you ever heard of a leading question? On DU, asking someone if they're a Repuke is a "leading question", a point that obviosuly went way past you. (BTW, so is assuming that it's Franken that Randi has a problem with)

And I notice, you still don't say what you heard Randi say. Did Randi mention Franken's name? What specifically did she say?

I ask because your original post asks about bad blood between Randi and Franken, but the rest of your post gives no reason to think that Randi is mad at Franken.

[Puglover]

46. Apparently the mods didn't see your question mark either

as they deleted you post. Okay one more time. To the best of my memory...shortly after Randi came on she said something like she was over being gracious. That McCain had approached her studio but someone from the other side (Frankens studio) said not to go there. She also said something about she was tired of them never mentioning her. I wasn't sure if she meant Frankens show or not. Thus my post. In hind sight I think the term "bad blood" was not very well thought out on my part. A little too tabloidish. But I honestly meant this as a question and I got it answered. I was blown away by the people it pissed off. Again, I meant no offense to anyone.

[skooooo]

47. If Randi had said something about Franken...

...then the obvious answer would be "yes". Since you are the one who brought Franken into the question, it's a non-starter. No need to get so defensive or offended.

[Puglover]

49. A couple of things Skooo

I'm somewhat new here and when I post I sort of wince. I generally hope it doesn't come off as lame or silly. I basically read your first post as an attack and it pissed me off. I really was trying to get peoples take on what Randi meant. She did in fact say something to the effect of, "They never mention me, I mention them all the time and I'm done" That is what I thought I heard. I now believe that when she said that she was done being gracious she was referring to McCain however the later I do feel was directed to the O'Franken Factor folks. I realize I didnt say that in the original post but please do cut me a break....I was sorta excited and still get somewhat tongue tied when posting here.

[skooooo]

51. it's cool...

welcome to DU...

[Spazito]

23. Even if there is a little bit of professional competition...

it doesn't matter, imo. Both Al Franken and Randi are great, different but great!

[Freeforever]

24. Missing the Fire..Bad Blood Indeed

This line caught me off guard: "I don't work out of the same studio as the program before me. I'm not going to mention their names because I do all the time and they never mention me."

Why doesn't Franken ever mention Rhodes? He probably has never listened to one of her shows. He should though because she's the real star. You can't deny the divide that exists. Let's not flame DUers for bringing up these *legitimate* concerns.

[xultar]

42. They don't mention any other shows, I'm sure it has more to do with the

fact that they are newbies to RADIO. That's all.

[khashka]

43. Is it a legitimate concern?

On one level NO - Al is frankly a national figure. Through books, TV, whatever.

Ms. Rhodes is not. Should she be? Damn right! But it's gonna take time. Franken does a humourous liberal thing while being nice to conservatives - it's OK, it's necessary. Rhodes takes no prisoners. So let's wait a little while. Many moderates who might listen to Franken would find Rhodes bitchy and nasty - she is absolutely neither. But they would.

So, soften the MIDDLE a bit and see what happens. Rhodes isn't a tiny, scared little lady (she'll smash all those ideas in 30 seconds or less).

So let's see where this goes before we start casting aspersions? OK? Let's see where these things go. OK?

Khash.

P.S. On the other level YES - but we have do do the electable thing, the workable thing, the thing that might work. So it works for me. If they tune in for Al they may tune in for Randi. We can no longer preach to the converted, we must convince others to take their ideas further.

OK? Maybe?


Khash.

[krkaufman]

26. Randi is irritated

Randi Rhodes has seemed irritated about any number of things at AirAm, from not having regular phones and computer problems to other PR issues.

The network is new, growing pains can be expected. They'll work through it all, and they'll do fine.

[Freeforever]

28. she deserves her props though

I can see why she wants some recognition though. She's a tough chick and is just as good as (if not better than) Franken. I wonder how many people turn off AA at 3:00 unaware of the brilliant Rhodes.

[FlaGranny]

31. I'm not able to listen to Franken the full time - I have to work,

but, what is it with him? Every time I turn on his show he is being sweet with Republicans and seems wishy washy to the point of apologizing for asking pretty mild questions of them. He seems afraid to use his cutting humor when I've listened. Maybe I've just missed the good stuff.

[Puglover]

32. Well Granny

He did go a little easier on McCain then I would have liked. But then I wonder if he's being somewhat careful to keep the big names coming on the show? Note the question mark...I'm not trying to be provocative or start a rumor...
:eyes:

[FlaGranny]

55. I guess I just don't catch him at the right

times. Most seem to like the show. It just that seems he goes way out of his way to be "gentle." You may be right about trying to be sure he gets big names and I can see his point about that. But O'Reilly, et al, don't seem to have trouble getting big names and Franken is much gentler in his interviews that they are.

[khashka]

27. Not bad blood

Maybe miscommunication or simple disagreement. But that's the liberal thing - we DON"T have to walk in lockstep and agree with everything each other says. We can still get along. I was a little bit taken aback by some of her comments that indicated that she didn't think Al was as cool as I do (I didn't hear the comment in question) but... cool! WE can disagree. THEY can't. WE can work together and still be friends. THEY can't. I think that's the real point here.

I like 'em both. And I'll bet whatever disagreements they MIGHT have, they'll still work together pretty well.

No prob.

Khash.

[Puglover]

30. I love them both as well...

thats why my radio is on 7 hours a day now where before it was never on.
:)

[khashka]

35. I don't think it's a real choice

I listen to Mark Maron because he's always right there - even when it doesn't work. And if I was straight I would pursue Janeane to the ends of the earth. And Al almost always makes me laugh. And Randi makes me rock.

How can I choose?

When I was a teenager I listened to the local alternative radio station because the music and the commentary made me think and they stopped and I stopped listening. So, years later I listened to another local alternative station - great music, great humour, great bullshit. And it all fell apart.

So,now, I listen to AA. Not much hope here. But I want this to work. All of them are doing cool things - and Liz Winstead and dozens of other people whose names I'm not as familiar as with.

I haven't listened to the radio in several years - but AA changed my opinion: radio may have found new breath.

These people are so damn great. And I never heard of Ms. Rhodes before, but I found a new hero.

Khash.

[Bonhomme Richard]

29. She's done being gracious. She is right and so am I.

I am tired of being a nice guy to repugs. That's it, I now call a spade a spade and I refuse to suck up to them anymore. Hah, the other day I found myself making nasty gestures to a person that had a bush/cheney 04 sticker on the car. LOL, maybe I've gone over the edge. Good for Randi.

[cosmicdot]

33. I was listening, too ... she added the show before her never plug her

show when she was talking about McCain starting to enter her studio ... and, when McCain started to enter, someone stopped him saying something like 'oh, no, don't go in there'

[robbedvoter]

37. Nope. We, liberals may look the same to you, but are different

I love Randi and agree with 90% of what she says. I love Al - he is funny - I agree with about 65% of what he says. I am glad I missed his McCain interview or that percentage would have been lower.
Different points of views, styles - but they are all reporting facts, telling the truth. That's what they all have in common at Air America.
What they do on their own time is not of any interest to me.

[Malva Zebrina]

39. I turned off Franken when McCain was on

I don't need to listen to right wing Republicans on a basically liberal program. I have heard enough from McCain. He is a has been.

Come on Al. McCain may be your friend, but as far as a liberal audience is concerned--well you are insulting us.


Randi may not have the exact, tactful, accepted, polite and social response but she is right to not want McCain in her studio.

Franken knows a lot of people from the right and the left and is friendly with many of them and apparantly is able to manipulate between them all and lands on a liberal talk show forum. I wonder exactly where he is coming from. I get the feeling the Franken is not really serious about his Democratic liberalism.

I am getting tired of him and also getting tired of these Republicans I hear on there. Who needs that? Franken is too much in debt to a lot of them, it seems to me. We get enough of it and have for three and half years without ANY voice. Why do we need McCain on a liberal show?

Unless it really is not liberal but is a venu to show off.

[trumad]

40. I love Randi.....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=1437110&mesg_id=1437110&page=

[Selwynn]

52. I enjoyed the segment, personally.

So to each his/her own.

[onecitizen]

53. I' m with you there...........

I didn't even bother with Al today. This obsession some liberals have about McCain is in my opinion, sickening. Last night Laura Flanders said she would have some conservatives on from now on. I turned her off. I am sick to death of listening to their side. I'll stick to the internet. If they want Conservatives, they can have them.

[Freeforever]

45. Beautiful! She just used the LA Times to prove she's the best

Rhodes briefly interrupted a caller to mention the LA Times "once again said I'm the best thing at Air America." Priceless. Go girl!

[Cat Atomic]

50. I didn't hear the comment, but Randi can't possibly be

surprised that McCain would avoid her radio show. After her Nader interview (or berating I should say), I expect alot of people will avoid her show. People like McCain.

If she doesn't want them on anyway, then great. I can't stand these pretend-moderates like John McCain anyway.

[supernova]

54. Nah, I'm more inclinded to believe

that it's a case of growing pains, if anything. It takes time to build up something new. Not everything is going to be to everyone's satisfaction right out of the starting gate.

Rhandi is just doing her usual schtick, apparently. I don't have a history, I can only go by what I've heard of her the last week.

Besides they all know that they have to make it work. It would be disatrous for intraoffice squabbles between shows to ruin the network. Enlightened self-interest and all of that.

[FlaGranny]

56. It's very funny, when you think about it.

Liberal media is long gone, for the most part. Every liberal has to be countered with a conservative in the media. We actually get a liberal network and some of them are trying to be "fair" to the conservatives. Then they ignore Randi, the one who really gets the message out there. Sound familiar? Even many "liberals" are afraid of the truth. I think the truth is just too "shocking" for most Americans to deal with. They need to learn that the truth will set you free, unless you're a Bush, in which case the truth would (in a just world) put you behind bars.