US Military "Furious" because of Spain troop pullout

[Eurobabe]

On ABC news: supposedly top military brass are "furious" over the impending Spanish troop withdrawal that is scheduled within the next 10 days from Fallujah...one quoted as saying "allies don't do this to one another"

HA, what a crock of shit, I would ask them to think about this statement because allies don't LIE to one another to get them to go to war on false pretenses in the FIRST PLACE.

[seabeyond]

1. allies dont lie their way to war

either, dumbsh*t

[Benhurst]

2. They'll have to ...

GET OVER IT!

[Arkana]

3. Fine

"No more Taco Bell!"--anonymous Freeper

ROTFLMAO. Of course they're pissed--it means that they lose a major nation's support in the war on terra, and it also means a prospective drop in the polls.

[Celeborn Skywalker]

7. Taco Bell??

The Spaniards don't really eat tacos. They stick more to the Mediterranean stuff

[BrotherBuzz]

10. That's understood

but try to explain that to a freeper.

[Ilsa]

18. We've seen "Taco Bell" comments at

freerepublic in reference to Spain.

[AgadorSparticus]

30. OMG!!!!! Can those freepers be any more ignorant??!!?!?!!

taco bell??? that's their racial slur?? :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: they shouldn't be even allowed to vote. i've met poodles smarter than that!

:crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:

[mhr]

24. Taco Bell - US Based Company - Freepers Are So Ignorant!

eom

[adriennel]

50. Pepsi owns Taco Bell

so let the freepers boycott an American company!

[lostnfound]

46. Good --there's a boycott because of tomatoes anyway nt

[Jack from Charlotte]

4. The reason they're pulling out is so they can resume,,,,,,

the war on terrorism. Invading Mexico, Iceland or Iraq has nothing to do with the fight against terror. Spain knows this due to their recent train bombing.

[Jacobin]

5. Clue phone ringing for the "brass"

The Spanish people were 90% against sending troops to Iraq. Their RW leader at the time ignored the people who elected him to office and sent troops anyway.

Democracy prevailed and the will of the Spanish people is now being honored.

In other words, they were not ever "an ally".

[Xipe Totec]

6. A year ago, when the French were our enemies....

I wrote this reply to an ex-friend who sent me a thoughtless Franco phobic joke:

How many atrocities will we tolerate now and point to 9/11 as an excuse? We've already leveled Afghanistan. Now we're leveling Iraq, which even our own intelligence sources say has no links to Al Qaeda. We've launched a preemptive war against Iraq losing all claim of moral superiority over Imperial Japan for attacking Pearl Harbor.

The saddest thing about all this is watching this country tear the constitution and the bill of rights to shreds in the name of freedom liberty and democracy. We are slowly turning into a National Socialist state and we are so blinded by hatred we can't see it. By this measure, the terrorists won.

Almost five centuries ago the forces of Hernán Cortés laid siege and destroyed the Aztec city of Tenochtitlán. Cortés was motivated by a thirst for gold but he also genuinely believed in the moral superiority of his religious faith. To end the siege, the Aztecs had to surrender more than just their weapons, they had to also surrender their faith. So the siege continued until the defenders were too weak to cast stones and the conquerors walked over the emaciated bodies of the defenders. The memory of that disaster is seared into the Mexican consciousness to this very day; It poisoned relations between Mexico and Spain for 100 years after Mexican independence.

The Fall of Tenochtitlán:

Broken spears lie in the roads;
We have torn our hair in our grief
The houses are roofless now, and their walls
Are red with blood.

Worms are swarming in the streets and plazas,
And the walks are spattered with gore
The water has turned red, as if it were dyed
And when we drink it,
It has the taste of brine

We have pounded our hands in despair
Against the adobe walls,
For our inheritance, our city, is lost and dead
The shields of our warriors were its defense.
But they could not save it.

We have chewed dry twigs and salt grasses:
We have filled our mouths with dust and bits of adobe.
We have eaten lizards, rats and worms
When we had meat, we ate it almost raw.

- Cantares Mexicanos
The National Library of Mexico,
circa 1523

We have invaded Iraq and visited death and destruction upon its people. We too are motivated by a thirst for black gold, and we also genuinely believe in the moral superiority of our secular religion, Democracy. Not since the conquest of Mexico has there been such a lopsided mismatch of weapons. The "war" with Iraq and the siege of Baghdad may not last three weeks but its aftermath will reverberate for countless generations. May the satisfaction of our victory outlast the collective memory of those who are about to receive our Democratic "blessing"

[legin]

19. Good post Xipe Totec n/t

[newyawker99]

48. Hi Xipe Totec!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[sendero]

8. Aren't they just....

... "old Europe"?

[knight_of_the_star]

9. Too ****ing bad!

You lied to them, they aren't taking this crap anymore. Any questions? No. Good.

[Mari333]

11. Real men always pull out when they are supposed to

The top US military brass can kiss Spains ass. tough shit.
Spain has a PM that actually listens to the people not to big money interests.

[0007]

12. Spain is listening to their government

Who listens to us? Besides Ashcroft.

[NNN0LHI]

13. I suspect Spain may be gearing up their nuclear program real fast?

Looks like the may need it to keep the USA off their ass.

Don

[Bandit]

14. "allies don't do this to one another" ~ Does Vietnam ring a bell?

We owe no allegiance to any Iraqi. They did not ask us to be there. Vietnam on the other hand did ask for US aid and we swore we would protect them and then abandoned them to the wolves. Who the fuck does this a-hole think he is anyway? No one but the US asked Spain to be there killing people. The Iraqi people want them gone. Hell the entire world wants them gone but not the US Empire.

[markses]

21. LOL: Thread hijacking?

The notion that "Vietnam" asked us to defend them is laughable. A minor imported cabal of oligarchs invited us into the non-country called "the Republic of Vietnam," an invitation that we used as a pretext to wage war on the Vietnamese people. Puh-fucking-leez, dude.

[AZCat]

25. Hmmm... Chalabi asked us to invade Iraq...

and it was his 'disinformation' that was used as a pretext to wage war on the Iraqi people (and Saddam, who happened to be in the way).

But I guess comparisons between Iraq and VietNam are unpatriotic, huh?
I'll stop assisting the terra-ists, then.

[markses]

29. Uhhhh

I agree that Chalabi played a role similar to that of the Vietnamese comprador elements, and continues to. So I guess your question of patriotism is sarcastic, or not addressed to me?

[prodigal_green]

49. Actually, Ho Chi Minh

Did ask us for our help...but he was a "comnist" so we said no.

[markses]

52. Ho Chi Minh

asked us to diplomatically support an independent Vietnam in the immediate aftermath of WWII. We sided with the French and their colonial policy. This is much different than asking for military support against the French Indochina policy which, as far as I know, the Vietnamese never did. We were, of course, involved in Vietnam in the 1940's, and worked with Ho's Viet Minh precursor as they fought the Japanese fascist occupiers, but that's a different story altogether.

[prodigal_green]

53. Yes, of course

I was pointing out that the party that we ended up fighting AGAINST had asked us for help in establishing a post-colonial government. We said no because Ho Chi Minh was socialist (never mind that he based his proposed constitution on ours). It was a huge mistake once again due to stubborness and blind ideology.

[quinnox]

15. So are all the hardcore Bush robots

I was on a yahoo message board and they were whining all the time, saying Spain is friend of terrorists or stupid stuff like "Spain bends over" or "Spain is full of europoean wimps" etc, etc.

They just can't get over that a country dared to oppose Bush's wishes, well I say they better get used to it, more is coming.

[Mari333]

16. Tell them to go enlist, those armchair warmongers on there

right now. Get those little bastards onto the front lines, or tell them to stuff their rantings up their arse.
Gosh, I cant actually wait for the draft. Really. Bushbots will run like cockroaches.
www.bushdraft.com

[moof]

17. They also reported that Spain

was putting the troops left behind at risk. So let's see using 200 thousand less troops than was recommended, that's not a problem, but spain pulling out their 1300 troops that's a hardship ?
OK, next lie.

[markses]

20. Spanish troops aren't anywhere near Fallujah

They are, however, stationed in Najaf.

[Aidoneus]

22. Good!

The world furious at them. They can grin and bear it, or whine and thrash around like little babies.

[DoYouEverWonder]

23. The military are furious

because a lot of other countries are announcing that they are going to follow Spains lead and pull their troops out too. Sounds like the coalition is falling apart along with everything else in Iraq that is falling apart.

Not to mention how this will effect the morale of the US troops who are left behind.

[UTUSN]

26. Well, 90% of Spain (sovereign country) and Me, "Furious" at U.S. Illegal W

ar. (That would be "illegal war".) n/t

[Dark]

27. Adios, Espana.

Aunque nosotros estamos tristes que estan saliendo, nosotros los entiendemos. Valen sus soldados leales y no quieren ver sus muertes, muy distinctos que nuestros lideres. Vayan con dios, guerreros de Espana, y espero que nuestros soldados saliran pronto tambien.

(To the DUers out there who speak spanish, please tell me how well written this is. I'm still learning.)

[UTUSN]

28. Why Are You Sad They're Leaving Iraq?

Their leaders don't want to see their soldiers dead but ours do? Eh?

On Edit: Speak English!

[Dark]

34. I'm sad

because it will place more stress on our troops. And I meant that Bu$h doesn't care about our troops and, although I don't think that he likes seeing dead Americans, I don't think he minds either.

[UTUSN]

37. Well, Shrub Sent Our Troops on an Illegal War

The "stress on our troops" is his jerkass cross to bear. Not anybody else's. I don't get that you "don't think that he likes seeing dead Americans" BUT ALSO "I don't think he minds either."

Shrub is a jerk. Nothing to think about or to be confused about.

Spain did what a democracy does. They had a government that defied its people's will. Then they voted. Then they reversed the rat bastard decision. Total.

[July]

44. Why do you order this poster to "speak English"?

The poster clearly states that s/he is learning and seeking comments, and the thread concerns Spain. What's the big deal? Spanish has been spoken here for hundreds of years.

[revcarol]

33. I'm learning too,

but couldn't catch that part about their soldiers and our being different or aren't they different?

But otherwise, muy claro y excelente.Nuestros hermanos.

[Dark]

35. Gracias.

I was trying to say that our troops are valued by our leaders differently than Spain's troops are valued by theirs.

[Walt Starr]

36. On a tangent

here is the Alta-Vista Babelfish translation of your text:

Although we are sad that they estan leaving, we entiendemos them. They are worth his loyal soldiers and they do not want to see his deaths, very distinctos that ours you lead. Go with God, soldiers of Espana, and I hope that our soldiers saliran soon also.

I would assume only a few errors in spelling.

[UTUSN]

38. Whoa! No Wonder the Tower of Babel Babbeled.Itself Down

And it was in Iraq, too!

[alcuno]

31. Earth to the top military brass: They came in as peacekeepers.

I will toast this decision with a glass of sparkling wine from Spain.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

32. Well the US military brass

is just going to have to get over it. Weren't the Spanish troops due to rotate out in a few months anyway? Where did I get that?

I wish more countries who are there would stand up and say you know what? This is a crock of shit, we're out.

Taco Bell my arse, shows what a bunch of dumbasses freepers are.

Now maybe if they had talked about boycotting paella, but they probably don't know what that is!

[liarliartieonfire]

39. Zapatero appears puzzled as 50,000 troops line up for the next

flight out of Iraq.

(spoof)

[revcarol]

40. ROFLMAO

OOOOOH WEE

[Lefergus70]

41. View from Madrid

Here in Madrid we're hearing a lot of people accuse the new Spanish president, Zapatero, of being rash in announcing the withdrawal of Spanish troops from Iraq. Bush called him yesterday to lament, the "sudden" decision.

What the hell are these people talking about? For one thing, the withdrawal was a campaign promise made even before the terrorist attacks in Madrid of March 11. For another, the withdrawal will take an estimated five weeks, which means it will be concluded only one month before the long-ago-promised withdrawal date of June 30. So the "sudden" and "rash" decision means the troops will withdraw only about a month earlier than expected.

Zapatero's decision was also coherent with his early wishes, which was to keep the troops in Iraq if the UN took control of the occupation. He is moving up the date he has, as he declared on Sunday, because at it is already perfectly clear that the UN is not going to get involved by June 30. So what's the sense of waiting.

It is also worth reminding Americans that Zapatero has talked of increasing the Spanish presence in Afghanistan because that that country certainly was closely allied to Al Qaeda. But Iraq, as we all now know, was not involved with 9\11, had no links to Al Aqeda, and was no threat to the West. The invasion and occupation has spawned terrorism there that did not exist before, and has proved prophetic the warnings of Egypt's president Mubarek; "A war against Iraq will create a hundred bin Ladens." So, as the Zapatero's government keeps saying, what has Iraq to do with the war on terrorism? Instead of fighting terrorism, the occupying troops are creating it.

[July]

43. I'm not in Madrid, but see slightly different info on TVE.

Yesterday's news showed the leaders of all the major parties reacting to Zapatero's decision, and all were positive except for Rajoy (Partido Popular).

Zapatero has referred in speeches to his promise as having been made in Feb. of last year (2003).

News yesterday showed some troops leaving for Iraq as part of a rotation to relieve those who are there now, saying that only 190 out of an originally planned 240 were being sent.

I've heard six weeks and eight weeks (TV news and newspapers) as the time frame.

[Classical_Liberal]

51. It's just neocon posturing

They need a so-called coalition of the willing" and spain ain't playing anymore. Let's hope the shoe drops similarly on Blair at some point.

I am surprised it hasn't already. It is obvious there is no accountability anymore in modern democracies.

[dbt]

42. Wait a minute.

We were going to "go this alone" if we had to. What's the big deal about losing 1,300 troops, boys?

:freak:
dbt

[pinniped]

45. So uh, when does the official Spain boycott commence?

:eyes:

[Vladimir]

47. Hahahahaha

pa da pa pa pa... 'I'm lovin' it!'

V