Should Liberals become as nasty as the GOP thugs?

[Bandit]

Should Liberals start returning fire. Should they start the intimidation process that has become the hallmark of conservatism? Should they start keying cars with Conservative bumperstickers on them and vandalizing homes with GOP signs in their front yards? Should conservatives learn that it may cost them to publicize their political leanings? I read here a lot where liberals are afraid to put bumper stickers on their cars for fear of vandalism to their cars and afraid to voice an opinion for fear of being attacked by some loud mouthed punk. Should we be just "Above that behavior" and suffer for it or should there be some reciprocation? Should we follow the teachings of Malcolm X or Martin Luther King Jr.? I am of the belief that if we become our enemy to fight our enemy what is it all about, but then again how else can we protect ourselves?

[sendero]

1. With the exception of...

... the vandalism, yes, all of the above.

[ringmastery]

3. so we should try and fix the election?

Do what Kennedy did in Chicago in '60?

[citizen snips]

2. I remember in 2000 some repuke took down my Gore sign.

I was about to return the favor by taking down a Bush sign but my dad would not let me. He said don't lower yourself to their level.

[wyldwolf]

4. Not the vandalism but yes yes yes

Hell, you guys think I can be confrontational here, you should see me live and in person.

I can be just as loud and "in your face" about my political leanings as any freeper. My wife calls it my "attack mode." Freeper in a bar or club or restaurant says something inaccurate or an outright lie in that smug way that they do? BAM! Make 'em cry!

[Bandit]

5. I agree with you about confronting someone but that is a long ways

from a systematic intimidation process that will affect all Republicans not just some bar room loud mouth. I'm talking about intimidation.

[sugarman]

6. YES...

...all we do is complain. Why can the Christian Coalition and the Jewish community routinely organize boycotts, while we with a much larger percentage of the American population (at least greater 51%) cannot do the same. Let's organize a boycott. Here's how:

1. Email the DU adminstrator to get behind the idea and post this idea on the DU forum regularly to get others to get behind the idea.
2. Email you favorite blogger to get behind the idea
3. Email moveon.org to get behind the idea
4. Email Henry Waxman and other liberal Dems to get behind the idea
5. Email Ralph Nader to get behind the idea (I know he sucks, maybe he can do something useful)
6. Tell everyone you know to do the same.

Get ten people to adopt this idea in the next half hour...we can get the forum behind us right now...Let's top bitching let's do something..

[slinkerwink]

7. HELL YES!

[Jeebo]

8. We don't have to...

...because we have the TRUTH on our side.

Incidentally, I drive an old piece of junk car so I don't CARE if they vandalize it because it's already ugly anyway. (But nobody has, yet.) So I've got it plastered with all the bumper stickers I want.

Ron

[doni_georgia]

9. No -

To become like them would invalidate everything we stand for. Call me naive, but I still believe in an America that is of the people, by the people and FOR the people. I could never allow myself to descend to the depths of depravity and disregard for humanity that is demonstrated by the meaner elements of the conservative ideologues. Not worth it. In the end, we have to live with ourselves.

[lastknowngood]

14. Don't take a knife to a gun fight. If your not willing to take up out

you will be run over. I know tyrants always fall but they usually need a little push.

[knight_of_the_star]

29. I have no issues with that

I personally believe in bringing a shotgun to a gunfight, and I'll even shoot the other man in the back of the head once he's down to make sure he's dead, but I won't just blast some random person on the street because I think they are supporters of the other guy. If hit, I hit back ten times as hard and leave them damn sure that I won, but I don't start fights. Ever.

[erformc]

48. Um..

do you really consider Bush a "tyrant". You really want to compare him to Hitler, Stalin, Castro and the like? Yeah, you don't like him, but a "tyrant". Last I checked there's an election in November, and unlike a real "tyrant" like Saddam I don't think Bush is getting 99% of the vote.

[Skittles]

50. UM

the bastard STOLE THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION (OK, Hitler WAS elected). He ILLEGALLY INVADED A COUNTRY AND IS GETTING OUR SOLDIERS AND INNOCENT CIVILIANS KILLED EVERY DAY. HE HAS TRASHED OUR ECONOMY AND ENVIRONMENT AND AMERICA'S FUTURE. YES I WOULD COMPARE THAT BASTARD TO HITLER, IN A HEARTBEAT.

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[Skittles]

52. he is closer to being Hitler

than to being a REAL PRESIDENT. Hitler got his start somewhere. He stayed in power with the support of IGNORANT, STUPID PEOPLE kept in the dark by a COMPLICIT PRESS. Sound familiar???

[erformc]

56. No, not really...

because I don't think anyone who's opinion is difft. than mine is Ignorant or Stupid. Some of them are, but many are not. And those on the right complain just as much about the press as you do. Again, where are the ovens, and the concentration camps.

You do yourself no favors by making such ridiculous analogies. You're as bad as those who think Clinton was a murderer who was running drugs out of the Mena AFB and that he covered up Vince Foster's death.

[Kathy in Cambridge]

58. You need to study history

because there are many similarities between Germany in the 1930s, the early Nazi party and the group of thugs currently running the show. Bush is no Hitler though-Hitler actually served his country in WWI.

[erformc]

59. Oh dear God...

I am in the Twilight Zone with this Bush=Hitler crap. Like I told skittles such idiocy is as bad as those who thought Clinton had something to do w/ Vince Fosters death and drugs at Mena AFB.

[Kathy in Cambridge]

60. I DID NOT Compare Bush to Hitler

see my post below. Mussolini is a more accurate comparison. I suggest cozying up with William Shirer's "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich", rather than spouting Fox News talking points. But maybe you lack the ability to draw historical parallels?

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[Kathy in Cambridge]

53. Not Hitler, but definitely Mussolini. You need to read about corporatism

whereby the government was run to benefit big business in Fascist Italy. Then I would suggest brushing up on some current books dealing with Bush: "Worse Than Watergate" by John Dean, David Corn's "The Lies of George W. Bush", and "American Dynasty" by Kevin Phillips. Then come back and tell us that Bush doesn't have aspirations and tendencies toward fascistic thinking.

[calimary]

10. Well... how's nice and sweet and conciliatory and noble workin' for ya?

I know, I know. You lower yourself to their level. Rise above it That was one of my dad's favorite phrases (ironic, because one of his other favorite phrases was "IGMFU" - "I Got Mine, F-U").

I know how it's SUPPOSED to be. Everyone's supposed to be respectable and above-board and considerate and even-tempered and just discuss the issues and keep it clean and all the rest. Unfortunately, kinda hard to be that way when you're mudwrestling. Politics is a dirty business. And just how many times have you heard that last sentence uttered by someone or written by someone, in your life? But it is what it is. And if you're going to get into that dirty business, why do you want to get into it - to lose? Why would you want to get into it - to do badly? Wouldn't you want to win? Isn't the idea to play it successfully, so you carry the day? Does a championship batter face a pitcher wearing sparring gear? Does an alpine skiier arrive at the slopes all suited up - for diving competition? I mean, let's be realistic here.

So, YES we have to fight dirty. YES we have to get mean. YES we have to act nasty. Right back in their faces. Just like you do with a bully. CALL HIM (OR HER) ON IT. INYERFACE. TASTE OF YER OWN MEDICINE. Unfortunately, the mentality of the opponent is such that this is the only language they speak or understand - or respect. If they see you otherwise, you will look very much like a doormat on legs - one only temporarily standing upright, at that. You do NOT capitulate, or make nice-nice with a bully (unless you're a world-class comedian whose destiny is hosting Oscar telecasts). Otherwise, you have to dish it right back. That's the only thing a bully understands, or backs down from. I've seen it work over and over again. If you doubt, just think back to that story you heard somewhere about a kid named David, up against a ferocious, highly-intimidating, TALLER adversary whose name, funny enough, also started with a "G."

I'd rather be in that mudpile - standing above it all - on the bodies of my opponents. If, indeed I must be in that mudpile.


Don’t play the game to get played. Play the game to win.

[Selwynn]

17. It's working great, actually - thanks for asking.

[knight_of_the_star]

11. No

I believe we should pull no punches when we hit back, but we have to show there IS a difference between the two groups, if nothing else that Liberals have CLASS and REFINEMENT. I have no problem with verbally flaying some FReeper alive, but systematic intimidation is another matter entirely. Do we want to have to become the enemy to win? Or should we retain our dignity and honour while smashing them to bits. Remember, America didn't have to go facist to beat Hitler, and we didn't have to declare martial law to win the Civil War.

[Bandit]

12. I agree

:thumbsup:

[Democat]

13. Yes, or we should accept being losers - those are the only two choices

When you bring a knife to a gun fight, you will lose. Period.

If it's legal, and the right wing does it, then we have to do it, or lose.

That's it. Those are the facts. If you don't like them, too bad.

[Selwynn]

18. The only two choices, eh? Dr. King? Ghandi?

Your absolutes aren't quite so absolute.

[Democat]

24. We are living in a different world today than they were back then

The people you mention did what needed to be done at the time, but this is not that time. We have to do what needs to be done now to get results now.

Consider also that Martin Luther King was not the only one working for civil rights. Some of those fighting along with him were using more extreme tactics and it was the efforts of all parties involved that got us where we are.

I will agree very strongly with you on one point, we need some leadership. The men you mention were leaders who were able to organize the efforts and passion of huge groups of people. We lack that leadership today.

[Selwynn]

25. Someone says that every generation and is wrong every generation

Acting morally and justly never goes out of style. Acting unjustly and imorrally never has an excuse.

[WillyBrandt]

57. You think they did it alone?

There was a lot of rough stuff--see LBJ--that led to Civil Rights achivement. There was a lot of social unrest in India, with Gandhi playing clever, often cynical PR as well.

Don't kid yourself. Politics is a dirty ugly business and you have to be willing to roll in the mud to do good.

[Westegg]

15. I don't mean to be a schoolmarm nit-picker, but...

... to be frank, your post, which I generally agree with, would have had more of an impact on me if you'd made the effort to spell "Malcolm X" and "Martin Luther King, Jr." correctly.

Your message is important. But let me suggest to you that the medium, too, is crucial. Put it this way: Someone could read your post and conclude that you haven't spent enough time studying the words and lives of Malcolm or Dr. King to invoke their teachings in your statement, based soley on those misspellings. I'm sure that's not the case with you, BUT your opponents will always seize upon any perceived weakness.

You may feel that I'm putting too fine a point on it (or that I'm just being an asshole), but as a writer and journalist by trade, I assure you I'm not. Hard-won wisdom.

[Bandit]

Point taken and I apologize to everyone on this forum

And to be quite frank I have not read everything by either person but I do believe I have a feeling of their individual take on how to combat their own situation. Malcolm X was for a more militant approach while Dr. King was completely against such measures. Myself I have to rely upon the teachings of MLK for my guidance.

[Selwynn]

19. I am a writer as well...

...and not always remembering to click spell check is not the end of the word on an Internet discussion board.

None of us were unable to read "between the lines" if you will and still appreciate the intent... well except you. :)

I don't always proof read with micro-technical accuracy on an Internet discussion board because I frankly don't care all that much, nor should I. It's a casual place to chat, not a manuscript submission.

[Westegg]

20. No, I too was able to "read between the lines"...

...and I think I made that clear in my post. At least I hope I did.

I don't ask that posters "spell-check" or fact-check their prose before they send it off. Hell, I don't do so myself. I go back and give my posts a once-over. I'm sure many typos remain. I certainly understand the difference between chats and manuscripts meant for publication! I didn't mean to suggest otherwise.

I still feel, that my esoteric point was a good one, but I'll leave it at that.

[Selwynn]

16. No. Why? Because being right is more important than winning.

If you win by becoming your enemy, by becoming evil, what is the point of winning?

Wining is important, but you don't really win if you sacrifice all convictions and principles along the way.

I think a lot of times see a false either/or and think that either we must be hateful, mean, malicious, manipulative and evil or we are weak. That is untrue. Real strength is strength of perseverance, courage, commitment and real honor means standing by principles of peace, tolerance, justice, equality, and right relationships to your neighbor, whether he/she deserves it or not.

[John_H]

21. Not this time, pardner. Time for the squeamish to stay out of the way.

For the rest of us: If you're going to get wet, you might as well take a swim.

[sweetheart]

26. In a war, we are all weapons

and there is no fooling around that this is a civil war, and those
silent are treasonous traitors to the republic. In this regard,
treason might be the crime of most of the republican party, and their
"SPQR" bullshit.

This is propaganda hardball, and lenin's advise is to perfect the
propaganda framing *first*... and we've some way to go before going
to step 2.

I don't see how to fight them without martyrdom. If every one of
the decent citizens of the US used their second amendment rights to
take down a criminal CEO or a republican, then we'd all be better
for it, and surely they would indeed gain 72 virgins, even in
christianity, as justice is justice... and war means fighting.

I think the issue you point to is one you learn in a martial arts
Dojo. The difference between a white belt and a black belt is of
course skill, but much of that skill is in staying aloof and non
emotional in the thick of a fight. Then when your opponent gets
angry, you use their out-of-control mistakes to destroy them.

Bush has already made that mistake by invading iraq. It is our job
to hang him with it. If they theive the next election, then we're
on to step 2, beyond propaganda in to the black programs of civil
war. As it stands the Shiites of iraq are fighting our civil war
for us, and they are using weapons, and it is working. Surely the
price is great, but we all die, and while i don't condone violence,
war is beyond rules and morals... it is only about winning.

FDR was a great president who perpetrated some horrible war crimes
in concert with his buddy churchill.... and we forgive him because
he won. All sins are forgiven if we win.

[RandomKoolzip]

33. So might makes right?

That might just be the ugliest post I've ever read on DU...unless you're being ironic; I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt here.

[sweetheart]

35. No, victory makes right

And in this case, victory is to either take back the government or
to disable the criminal organizations that run it... or both.

What makes it ugly, fighting for justice? Perhaps what your own
mind makes of it. Justice is not black and white. Nelson Mandela
was in prison for formenting violent civil war. He is a saint now.
Victory makes right, and everyone gets a sainthood.

Why is it ugly to defend the constitution against those who endager
us all by using our taxpaid goodwill to mass murder in other nations?

What is ugly is the republicans. We all have warrior inside of us,
and when it comes out, it asserts any means to victory. Best in a
civilian democracy to pursue nonviolent means. That said, i have
no problem with a women killing her rapist... and don't see that as
ugly in the least.

[RandomKoolzip]

37. A murderer can't be a saint...in my book.

And this message of "power is all" really grosses me out. Was Columbus justified in slaughtering hundreds of thousands of indians just because you and me are free to live our westernized, civilized existences?

I don't have this "warrior" inside me. Maybe I have a little, but what's left I'm trying to purge. I am against violence in all its forms, especially murder. Once a murder has been committed, the murderer is no hero to me, no matter if it's Hitler, Mumia Abu-Jamal, HH Holmes, or Ghengis Khan...or whoever. The human tendency to volenc, is IMO, the ugliest part of the human spirit, and that which separates us from those we ought to be making peace with.

Put me squarely in the Ghandi/King/Lennon camp on this one.

That said, I will "fight" against Bush and his army of repuke zombies, but never ever physically.

[sweetheart]

42. You do have the warrior in you...

and you have not been pushed enough. There is a point, just like
in the movies where the bad guys go too far, and even a goodhearted
person like yourself will take up arms to put down great evil.

That said, i am a buddhist, and i believe, like you, that nonviolent
means are the way of the superior person. It does not mean that i
eschew violence, rather that i will pursue all other means and then
some more.

Our grey society kills its own, like the drugs war that creates
inner city violence and the foolish gun laws that make it more
dangerous to be an american city-resident that a civilian in iraq.
The news elevates certain deaths, but leaves out the much larger
millions who are killed by preventable disease, clean water and
an end to weapons proliferation.

Our nation is the antithesis of nonviolence. It is the greatest
terrorist on earth bar none, and we give weapons and civil war
to most of the world. We are the terrorists, we the taxpayers...
and we are funding schools of mass murder, all the while
entertained by cognitive dissonance in an insular insulated culture...
one that does not see its own sins.

The evil is soooooooo great, that we've already crossed over the
line of being a criminal nation, and in this regard, all any
person can do to oppose it is what must be done. I respect your
honourable inspiration in some truly great souls. I so wish more
people were like yourself... and indeed, i would embrace you and
celibrate our great good fortune at surrendering violence as a
means.

Perhaps the greatest buddhist violence is to immolate ones self
on the capital hill steps, inspired by so many monks of veitnam
past... but pretty much that is the last Ace in my hand. Until
then i'm a propagandist writer, opposing the filthy republican
scourge with every breathing.

[Selwynn]

45. I thoroughly disagree with that in every possible way....

...but I respect your right to think differently.

[napi21]

27. To heck with that idea!

I've been saying all along, fight fire with fire. You can't fight off an attacker with a rock when he has a bazooka!

It's nice to have honor and know you're right, but you'll lose!!!

Fight the fight you're handed, and then take the honor to the WH!

[Selwynn]

46. But you won't take honor to the WH

When you become your enemy to win, you become your enemy for good.

[TNMOM]

22. absolutely.

[DinahMoeHum]

23. There are times you gotta catch their crap in mid-air. . .

and send it boomeranging right back.


:kick:

[homelandpunk]

28. fucking-A....the question should not even have to be asked!!!

good god.

[LDS Jock]

70. I agree

It is unfortunate that it has come to this but it has. The stakes are too high to play nice. We MUST fight back. No vandalism, nothing illegal, but we must fight back for the sake of our country.

[JanMichael]

30. Hit first, negotiate a peace agreement later.

At least that's my take on it.

[moondust]

31. You don't have to become a Nazi to beat the Nazis.

Be what you'd like your kids to grow up to be.

[rppper]

32. already ahead of the game

i don't put up with it...period...as an american, you are entitled to your opinion...i respect that, because i gave a decade of my life defending that right. but get out of your box, become threatening or physical, all bets are off.

it isn't a hard thing for me to do....i'm somewhat intimidating physicaly...6-2, 240lbs, wide, husky, bald, goateed, heavily tattooed and i ride a motorcycle.....i resemble the bad guy out of a early 70's biker flick. i'm pretty loud and obnoxious when the mood hits, and best of all, i have a strong...very strong...sense of whats right and wrong and i have nothing but contempt for bullies...there is nothing more enjoyable to me than shouting down some redneck, neo-con, far right wing piece of subhuman sh@t with undeniable facts and figures, although i would rather be civil.

i am as nasty as the situation calls for...nothing more, nothing less...

[NuttyFluffers]

34. hmm, well in the face of a zealous theocratic take over...

of a nation with the largest military, most advance weaponry, and some of the largest stocks of weapons of mass destruction... gee i guess i don't know.

martin luther king jr. really was in your face, but non-violent. but that was a liberal, and special, time. and still it was so violent to birth through america. we are as a nation more crude, coarse, apathetic, zealous, selfish, self-righteous and generally have become more insane. hmm, i really want to believe a modern non-violent campaign can save america... but does anyone here honestly believe we can pull this off again in this atmosphere? the protest tactics and the war news reporting aren't working like they were before. the 'enemy' has learned, sanity is being marginalized, our conservative allies are scared to break rank (somehow a deal with the devil isn't looking so hot anymore). how do you fight this in time with pacifism alone?

when the whole entire world's at stake what's off the table?

and what can we do pre-battle to destroy any possibility that we'd actually have to face/use violent confrontation to save the world?

i want non-violence to change the world, but i'm deathly afraid that the time i have to work within this framework is ending too fast... we need more time, and that's exactly what we have so little of.

again, when the whole entire world's at stake what's off the table?

[Skittles]

36. it will never happen

liberals do not put their party above their country; conservatives do. That's why conservatives will always be way more ruthless.

[dawn]

38. No.

I remember holding John Edwards for President signs around my neighborhood with other Edwards volunteers. Most people, even if they disagreed, were nice. However, many people with Bush* stickers flipped us off and cursed at us. It really made them look bad, the party of "family values." Morans.

Why would we want to emulate that?

[Generator]

39. Do you consider Howard Dean nasty?

I don't. Just a straight shooter who reminds me (sorry) of a bulldog. Best thing to happen to us. We need him on the campaign trail.

But illegal? No. So honest it hurts like hell? Yes.

[Toots]

40. I am of the opinion that instead of using intimidation we need to

Just say we will not be intimidated. Stand up for our beliefs and convictions and let any son of a bitch that keys my car pray to his God because I will bring some pee. I am mad and I ain't gunna take it any more. I will not harrass anyone or any thing but by God let anyone try any intimidation tactic and I will immediately counter it with anything necessary to put an immediate end to their efforts. We don't have to take it.

[knight_of_the_star]

41. Hell yes!

I feel that we should stand up to those bastards, look 'em square in the eye, then draw a line in the sand and dare them to cross it!

This far, no further!

[SayitAintSo]

43. We need to FIGHT the good FIGHT, but with integrity ...

That is a MUST. We can not stoop to their level - we can be smarter and work harder. But if we lose our ethics - we lose everything.

[Zorra]

44. I refuse to sink to the level of a freeper.

[LoZoccolo]

47. Nah, that's stupid.

We have an advantage now because the right looks like it's full of liars. We should instead be clever. Aggressive, yes, but we can be so in a way that embarasses their agenda without looking like more of the same. Think Michael Moore TV Nation-type stuff.

One of my favorite quotes on politics:

We have to fight back. But we can’t fight like they do. The Right’s entertainment value comes from their willingness to lie and distort. Ours will have to come from being funny and attractive.
- Al Franken, Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them: A Fair and Balanced Look At The Right

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

49. In support of Selwynn's prior posts I would add

What is it you intend to accomplish by being an ass/ Proving you are an ass? (Please be clear I don't mean you personally but I mean the collective YOU on this thread that is just looking for an excuse to behave poorly.

In fact, one of the MAIN problems with liberals right now is that their energy is wasted on bullshit like this.

Conservatives have an easy time making their points BECAUSE their points are heartless, violent and EXCLUSIVE rather than inclusive.

If you are out to make liberalism heartless, violent and exclusive..go ahead..but I might add the ELF has already employed some of this MO as has PETA and I don't see them making the difference they intended to make.

The right speaks the language of violence and that appeals to the most innate in us..no thinking required.

So for me it isn't even a matter of being ABOVE any behavior...it's that the behavior isn't a match for the world I am intent on creating.

Buying into Rush's language makes you Rush...you may as well embrace his philosophies too since you have become him.

Fighting hatred with hatred creates more hatred.

Now back to my original question...what are you out to create?

[markomalley]

54. If we use our enemies' tactics

and they work and we adapt them as the norm then we become the enemy.

I don't want to become my enemy.

[Cascadian]

55. No. Let them walk over us!

We cannot spit out the vitrial that the Republicans spit out and their twisted politics. I think we should just follow the DLC and allow the Republicans to spit on us and maybe we should adopt some their policies. Maybe the middle of the roaders will eventually vote for us then. I am sorry! I was being sarcastic! I think we should definately fight back!


John

[Selwynn]

67. either/or fallacy

Not adopting the moral evil of our opponents != sitting around doing nothing. It means actively doing the right things.

[LoZoccolo]

71. Exactly.

There are many alternatives to doing nothing given in this thread.

[mitchum]

61. I'm all in favor of savagery tempered by prudence...

but I'm just a vicious and cunning bastard :)

[UTUSN]

62. Well, Duh. Let's GO for It n/t

[DaveSZ]

64. Yes and no

What they should do is run some attack ads with George Bush lying about WMD, making fun of the situation later, etc.

Moveon is about the only liberal group with balls that I've seen.

[0rganism]

66. Ancient Wisdom: "Never argue with idiots..."

"...They'll drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience."

[rocktop15]

68. Live by the sword, Die by the sword.

SSIA

[masshole]

69. I've never had a problem

I drive an 20 year old "european-yuppie" car with anti-bush, anti-GOP bumper stickers on it. My car typifies the "liberal" car any freeper in his F-150 or Dodge Ram would love to hate.
Many times I've seen the faces of drivers behind me at stop lights mouthing obscenities about my stickered views. A few times some have passed me, no doubt planning to yell some witty invective or flip me the bird as the sped by. Hasn't happened yet. Usually they look away as I look at them.
Maybe because I'm 6'3 and 280 lbs., and in the words of my daughter's friends "just looks mean" lol.

I am not aggressive by nature, but I will not be bullied. My father always preached "discretion is the better part of valor". I will speak up when I believe what is being said is wrong. I will fight back when attacked, with any means necessary. I do not believe this is in conflict with what a "liberal" is suppossed to be. For too long DEMOCRATS have let conservatives define them. Bullshit.

[Kathy in Cambridge]

72. You don't sound like a typical "masshole" driver

:D

[masshole]

74. western masshole

I'm sure if I had to negotiate 128, 93, 1, or Boston streets day in and day-out I would be much more true to my nickname!

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

73. Screw being afraid to put a bumper sticker on your car!!!

I live in Dallas. My van has anti-bush, pro-Democrat stickers on it. If people don't like it, they can look elsewhere.

No I am not about to key people's cars or destroy their property. Wrong is wrong and I will NOT be sucked down to that level.

But you can bet your ass I'll stand up to them. I do it all the time. I read a lot, I keep up on what's going on and I've got good arguments in my arsenal they can't touch. I had one guy practically running away from me because he couldn't answer a single question I was posing to him and he looked like a dumbass and knew it. His buddies were even laughing.

I give as good as I get, verbally. But I draw the line at property destruction. We don't need to do that, we just all need to get VERY DAMN VOCAL AND VERY DAMN VISIBLE.

Yep, that'll do the trick. Stop hiding, come out and play with the rest of us. The Texas Democrat sticker is on my car for the express purpose of encouraging others out there. And it works, from the positive reactions I get.