Can anyone identify what is written on McVeigh's shirt in this photo?

[NNN0LHI]

Timothy McVeigh (news - web sites) is shown in this April 19, 1995, booking photo taken at the Noble Country Jail in Perry, Okla., just hours after the Oklahoma City bombing. A Secret Service document written shortly after the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing described security video footage of the attack and witness testimony that suggested Timothy McVeigh, who was convicted on federal bombing charges and was executed in 2001 for his role in the Oklahoma City bombing, may have had accomplices at the scene. (AP Photo/File)

[htuttle]

1. __MPER __NNIS

Know anyone who's any good at Wheel of Fortune?

[MichaelHarris]

2. first word

maybe Semper? He was a marine wasn't he?

[htuttle]

7. Got it: Sic semper tyrannis

That's a picture of John Wilkes Booth, I'd bet.

Damn. Beat by a half minute.

[Peachhead22]

16. It's Lincoln

I saw a similar shirt one time. It's popular with gun wackos. It's like a wanted poster with Abraham Lincoln's face and the words Sic Semper Tyrannis.

[MichaelHarris]

18. LOL

I took a wild guess, I had no idea if that was it.

[0007]

35. Could the forehead be Bobby Kennedy?

[Qanisqineq]

3. smart ass!

:toast:

[xray s]

4. i'm wrong

never mind

[Peachhead22]

13. Sic Semper Tyrannis

I remember hearing about the shirt on a documentary about Mcveigh. It's latin, loosely translated I think it means "death to tyrants". It's what John Wilkes Booth screamed just after he shot Lincoln. These days it's a popular motto with redneck gun nuts/survivalists/militia types.

[WilliamPitt]

5. Sic Semper Tyrannis

"Thus always to tyrants." Reportedly shouted by Booth after he shot Lincoln.

[lolly]

8. Dang!

If I hadn't had to re-log in before posting, I would've beat ya!

[WilliamPitt]

9. Neener neener neener

:)

[MichaelHarris]

20. Hola Mr Pitt

Haven't seen you in a while

[seventhson]

12. Damn - the little lincoln curl got me the google answer

but not quick enough

I THOUGHT it looked like lincoln or wilkes booth so I googled Lincoln T-shirt and semper - but....

too slow

[lolly]

6. Sic Semper Tyrannis

Thus always to tyrants

Quote from JOhn Wilkes Booth as he shot LIncoln.

[Career Prole]

10. I'm gonna guess

this one.

http://www.fair.org/sp-shirt.html

[NNN0LHI]

11. Thanks for the help. Here is a story on it

http://www.accuracy.org/press_releases/PR011501b.htm

Southern Partisan T-Shirt Identical to One
Worn By Timothy McVeigh at Time of Arrest


Factual Background:

Mid-1990s
Southern Partisan sells T-shirts celebrating the Lincoln assassination with a quote from John Wilkes Booth ("Sic Semper Tyrannis") on the front, and Jefferson's quote about liberty requiring "the blood of patriots and tyrants" on the back.

April 19, 1995
Timothy McVeigh is arrested after bombing the Oklahoma City federal building, wearing a T-shirt identical to the one sold by Southern Partisan. (Front and back views of the Southern Partisan shirt can be seen at www.fair.org/sp-shirt.html)

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[NNN0LHI]

15. The freepers hate Lincoln too. What a coincidence n/t

[El Supremo]

14. Sic Semper Tyrannis

And that's a picture of Lincoln. "Sic Semper Tyrannis" is what some witnesses said that John Wilkes Booth uttered after jumping to the stage at Ford's Theatre.

Pretty dumb thing to be wearing when arrested for driving with no plates after blowing up a federal building.

[NNN0LHI]

17. The plate was blown off by the blast is the way I understand it

Had that not happened we would still been rounding up Arabs by the boat load for the bombing.

Don

[The Screaming Icon]

22. Two points

1) The Southern Partisan shirt is exactly the same one McVeigh was wearing in the mug shot. It was allegedly his favorite shirt, and he wore it as often as he could.

2) McVeigh took the license plate off the car himself, investigators say. I've seen a photo of the car, and it's obvious that there's no damamge whatsoever to it (aside from its being a piece-of-crap old clunker to start with). Allegedly, he hid the plates in a storage facility as a signal to Terry Nichols that he had been successful, or something like that. The plate(s) have never been found.

[NNN0LHI]

26. Thank you for that info. Sounds like he wanted to get caught? n/t

[AP]

21. What an ass. He wears a tshirt advocating assassinating 'tyrants' after he

just murdered a bunch of lowly federal employees and a bunch of kids in a nursery school.

[Name removed]

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[AP]

28. Then he should have worn a Tshirt with a bull's eye around a bunch of

average guys doing their jobs, getting paid mediocre salaries, and who go home most nights to a pizza and ESPN, rather than a tshirt with a bullseye around a president.

It's just so cowardly and hypocritical to pretend you Mr Sic Semper Tyrannis after you just killed a lot of totally innocent people and mid- to low-level federal employees who just work for a living.

[sweetheart]

30. I'm sure you would say the same thing...

to a US pilot who killed just as many needless civilians in fajulla?
There is no difference. Both are cowards... just both are doing
revenge for criminal deaths, and view the collateral as just that.

What the propagandists left out, is that he DID get some of the
perpetrators of the Branch Davidian genocide. The state police
don't publically disclose the genocide, but the truth has come out,
and the only person in all of america brave enough to stand up and
fight back against a criminal government for executing a religious
group was tim mcveigh.

The low level employees execute religious cults for a living and
the others were collateral damage. I think he could have done better
had he focused on the FBI HQ in washington DC, but as he was a local
boy of the midwest, the local HQ was the Murrah building, fact.

He attacked the command and control HQ of a genocide. That is not
a crime except when american is doing the genocide. How hypocritical.
I'm sure you shed as many tears for the 10's of 1000's
of collateral dead your taxes help to exterminate... and i'm sure
you call the militarists who do that murdering, equally, cowardly.

[AP]

31. nevermind

[AP]

32. nevermind again.

I'm a little taken aback by these two posts.

[Name removed]

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[El Supremo]

19. OK, who was John Wilkes Booth quoting?

And why?

[The Screaming Icon]

23. Answers?

I believe it was what Brutus said to Julius Caesar as he assassinated him.

"Sic semper tyrannis"--roughly translates as "Thus be always to tyrants"

[El Supremo]

25. Trivia

John Wilkes Booth's father and brother were named Junius Brutus Booth.

[leanings]

29. Sic semper tyrannis

is also the State Motto of Virginia, and appears on the flag.

[Paragon]

24. Niger Innis

[Catherine Vincent]

33. It reads "Sic Semper Tyrannis"

Just in case some of you didn't catch the first 20 correct answers. LOL!

[UTUSN]

34. Reads, "I Love You Rita COSBY" n/t

[napi21]

36. I'm not a Marine, but my bro in law was for a lot of years,

their motto is Semper Fidelis which means "Always Faithful".

I would think that means McVeigh's shirt means Always a Tyrant.