As an American How Liberal are you?

[Gothic Sponge]

I see many people on DU divided. Where do you stand?

How Liberal are you?

BTW i'm in the Kucinich camp.

[kiahzero]

1. More liberal than Kerry

More pragmatic than Kucinich.

[MrSlayer]

2. Left leaning centrist.

I'm liberal on most social issues.

[tom_paine]

47. Howdy do. Left-Leaning Centrist and True Moderate here!

:hi:

[Piperay]

61. Me too (nt)

:hi:

[Leilani]

62. Thats where I am too!

Moderate, but liberal on social issues.

[IronLionZion]

67. Howard Dean Democrat

fiscal conservative, social liberal

but I like Kerry's tax plan better because it rolls back the cuts just for the top 2%.

[GreenPartyVoter]

3. I'm further left and down than Dennis on the Political Compass

[GreenPartyVoter]

15. Subtract one vote from the Dennis column, and put into "more liberal than"

[kiahzero]

17. I don't think that index is accurate.

I got a -8, -8... looking at my posts here at DU, I don't think anyone can say that's a reasonable estimate.

[GreenPartyVoter]

19. I'm like a -8ish and -4ish. Sounds about right for me

[doni_georgia]

41. I agree - me too

I was way farther to the left and down than ANY of the Democratic candidates (due southwest of Nelson Mandella). But, looking at my posts, I don't come off nearly that liberal. I think I separate my own personal beliefs from what I think is best for the country. I know the vast majority of Americans are no where as liberal in their personal beliefs as I am, and so I do not expect a President who is that liberal. In fact, it would probably be a recipe for disaster. In order for a President to accomplish anything productive, he/she would probably have to be more moderate. But that's just my thinking.

[dpibel]

56. Far out!

I knew if I waited long enough I'd agree with one of your posts.

:evilgrin:

[mgc1961]

22. Me too.

I'm a little further left and down, but he'll do in a pinch.

[dpibel]

55. Note to self: Report for Re-education

Score: -10/-9.54.

There's something repressive remaining in my social libertarian axis, and I've got to root it out.

I guess I was right when I selected "left of Kucinich."

[Kitsune]

4. If there were a category for left of Kucinich, I'd be there.

But since there's not, I'm in the Kucinich camp.

Now there was a man I'd have loved to vote for.

[Webster Green]

9. Ditto...somewhere between Kucinich and Che Guevara!

[Gothic Sponge]

10. Done

I added it.

[Kitsune]

13. Thanks..some Kucinich person vote for "More Left Than Kucinich"

Since I can't change my vote, that way the poll will be accurate. ^^; hehe

[bigwillq]

5. Between Kerry and Kucinich

There's this one online quiz that was posted here about rating the candiates.

Kerry 99%
Kucinich 98%
Dean 95%

I voted for Dean in my primary and have always been a big supporter of Dean but I will vote for Kerry.

Just found that quiz results interested. Wish I had a link, sure someone does.

[themann1086]

6. umm...

Well, I scored left of Kucinich on the Political Compass test...

And more Social Authoritarian.

Can we get a poll option for "more liberal than kucinich"?

[themann1086]

8. oops

didn't post fast enough. someone beat me to linking political compass.

[DaveSZ]

12. My heart:

(-6,-6) on the political compass.


I'm with my main men Gandhi and Kucinich, but as a previous poster said, I'm more pragmatic as well.

[onehandle]

7. Kerry is the most Liberal Democratic candidate in my lifetime.

That would be back to Kennedy if you're counting.

He'll make Clinton look like Zell Miller.

On edit: That make Clinton look bad. Clinton was the greatest President I ever voted for. Twice.

[Selwynn]

18. On what grounds can you possibly say that?

I am of the opinion that Kerry is the most DLC bought and paid for centrist in the history of "new democrats."

But, I'm genuinely willing to hear you make your argument: so let's hear it...

Edit -- notice where Kerry graphs in post #3

[onehandle]

23. My mistake. I meant nominee, not candidate.

His voting record has been parsed a thousand times on DU. He'll run closer to the center. He'll govern to the left of Clinton.

[wyldwolf]

28. Kerry's record

Kerry's voting record is generally liberal, similar to that of his more senior colleague, Edward Kennedy. Americans for Democratic Action, a liberal political group, gave Kerry an 85 percent rating in 2002 and a 95 percent rating in 2001. Kennedy, by comparison, got 100 percent in both years.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/special/president/candidates/kerry.ht...

The same group gave Kerry a 93% lifetime rating, Ted Kennedy got 88%

[themann1086]

30. Another good way to check his liberalness...

Check the ACLU website. They give scores for senators and represnetatives.

That's why I know Arlen Specter isn't "too liberal", despite what Pat Toomy might say in TV ads.

[MAlibdem]

37. well...the ACLU is tech nonpartisan...

[themann1086]

42. technically...

so is the Christian Coalition.

[ACK]

32. Thanks wyldwolf

No one here cares about his record.

They only care about ripping him down.

Kerry if left of Clinton, Lieberbush, and the way the DLC'ers ran Gore in 2000.

Yet, he is evil bush-lite compromise?

That is a load of crap.

Is he perfect? OMG, no.

He is right of Kuicinch or Nader for sure.

Has he made a couple of bad votes? Any candidate with a 19 year record would have.

Still, damn we have the chance to elect a New England liberal but no one cares.

I do not even hear much real constructive criticism. They are not saying what they want from Kerry instead they are just making observations and throwing banal inane comments out like "he is a disaster."

People here assume that a population bombarded by the lies of corporate media and fed talking points 24/7 should instantly realize the greatness of their positions and some even think that the population already agrees with the left. They do not.

We do not have the organization. We do not have the thinktanks. We do not have the media. We cannot bloody well be bothered to take back the school boards and textbook review boards from the fundies.

They should all realize that we are right without that? Nader said Gore should have won by a landslide and others here parrot this. At the same time we complain about the whore press and the lies of the Administration and the bombardment of the right-wing propaganda machine. What we do not see the correlation?

Considering all that, Kerry is doing very good against a "war" president so early in the race. In fact, as Nicholas_J argues historically he is doing better than most.

But it does not matter. Nothing matters but standing around and pissing on the Dem candidate.

+

[DerekG]

20. No way is Kerry more liberal than LBJ...

Just take a look at the legislation Johnson passed...you'd have a stroke.

[onehandle]

27. That argument would make Nixon look liberal in some respects.

LBJ did the right thing at the right time. Almost nowhere to go but left.

[fujiyama]

33. The thing is

Kerry may or may not be as liberal as LBJ, but one think Kerry lacks that LBJ definetely had, is guts.

It took a LOT of political courage to get the civil rights act passed. It also took a hell of a lot of political skill, a quality, which, while I'm sure Kerry posses, is not nowhere near that of Johnson.

Of course Johnson also got the country in Vietnam and has a higher body count than Bush (though Bush is definetely trying to outdo him).

[rooboy]

11. I'm a rough, tough, uber-liberal like Alan Colmes. n/t

[onehandle]

14. ha ha. Good one. nt

[DaveSZ]

16. Yes I agree.

Kerry is also the most liberal candidate in my lifetime as well, and we must work as hard as we can to elect him.

I don't understand the rationale for Nader when we have Kerry (other than to appease those who are unwilling to compromise on any issue).

[Gothic Sponge]

43. Alan Colmes

LOL!

[messiah]

21. More to the left

1. Your ideal theoretical candidate. (56%)
2. Socialist Candidate (82%)
3. Green Party Candidate (91%)
4. Sharpton, Reverend Al - Democrat (76%)
5. Kucinich, Rep. Dennis, OH - Democrat (69%)
6. Kerry, Senator John, MA - Democrat (62%)
7. LaRouche, Lyndon H. Jr. - Democrat (53%)
8. Libertarian Candidate (34%)
9. Constitution Party Candidate (16%)
10. Bush, President George W. - Republican (12%)

http://selectsmart.com/president/

[GreenPartyVoter]

24. Here are my select smart results

1. Green Party Candidate (98%)
2. Your ideal theoretical candidate. (100%)
3. Socialist Candidate (86%)
4. Kucinich, Rep. Dennis, OH - Democrat (79%)
5. Sharpton, Reverend Al - Democrat (78%)
6. Kerry, Senator John, MA - Democrat (69%)
7. LaRouche, Lyndon H. Jr. - Democrat (48%)
8. Libertarian Candidate (22%)
9. Constitution Party Candidate (12%)
10. Bush, President George W. - Republican (10%)

[neverborn]

25. Ewww...

7. LaRouche, Lyndon H. Jr. - Democrat (48%)

That makes me sad to look at.

[GreenPartyVoter]

26. Actually, this elicits more of an ew from me

Bush, President George W. - Republican (10%)

Last time I took this test he was a big fat zero. Where did I go wrong this time?! *l*

[JanMichael]

31. Somehow I think the Green Party is being over weighted.

I had them at 98% as well and Socialist at 88%.

My SPUSA card would suggest otherwise:-)

[MAlibdem]

38. My select smart candidates

Your Results:

1. Your ideal theoretical candidate. (100%)
2. Socialist Candidate (83%)
3. Kerry, Senator John, MA - Democrat (78%)
4. Kucinich, Rep. Dennis, OH - Democrat (77%)
5. Sharpton, Reverend Al - Democrat (75%)
6. LaRouche, Lyndon H. Jr. - Democrat (35%)
7. Bush, President George W. - Republican (15%)
8. Libertarian Candidate (15%)
9. Constitution Party Candidate (9%)


Alright, pretty much what I thought.

[LDS Jock]

29. Close to Kucinich

according to this site.

http://www.politicalcompass.org/

[salonghorn70]

34. I'm Moderate

I'm a DLC Yellow Dog Democrat

[Renew Deal]

35. I like to think I'm a moderate-left liberal.

But I tend to come out as a more traditional left liberal.

[DEM FAN]

36. OH Yeah. I'm Much More Liberal Than Kucinich. As I See Things.

Live And Let Live. Life Is Short.

[AlFrankenFan]

39. I'm really left leaning

And though I agree with almost 100% of what Kucinich says, I could say I could lean a little less or more than Kucinich on given issues. As my teacher says, I'm a "liberal lunatic", and "too liberal for Orange County" :P

BTW I took being a liberal lunatic as a compliment - wouldn't you?

[Gothic Sponge]

40. I would take it as a compliment

:)

[tom_paine]

50. Coming from a Bushevik Totalitarian Bootlicker, hell yes!

If you dare, feel free to e-mail this post to your Totalitarian Bushevik Bootlicking Prof.

This Veteran and Free American would have something to say to HIS Imperial Slave ass.

[ProfessorGAC]

44. I'd Say Pretty Close To Dennis, But. . .

. . .a little more economically pragmatic. Since i support the gov't running close to balance or in surplus, even in taxes have to go up, but i also support the need to do whatever it takes to bolster the size and scope of the middle class, i'm too practical to take any anti-trade stances.

A lot of our problems could be solved in this regard if we just prosecuted the crooks in business and raised up, for public regard, the companies that succeed while doing it right and righteously.
The Professor

[JohnKleeb]

45. Kucinich like

and I am a yellow dog btw.

[0rganism]

46. You forgot the "I'm a fascist nutjob from freeperville" selection

Based on some of the crap I've seen here over the weekend, we should be counting them too.

[camero]

48. Liberal like Kucinich

I agree with him that somehow people complain that we don't have money to help feed people but yet we have all this money laying around to kill people.

Nope no buttter, must buy guns, must bomb now. <sarcasm>

[fob]

49. As a Liberal, I'm 100% American!

nt

[Waverley_Hills_Hiker]

51. Im liberal like Kucnich.

...pretty liberal.

[cedahlia]

52. I'm the most liberal person I know...

...outside of 2 friends of mine who moved away a couple years ago that I've since (regrettably) lost touch with. (I'm somewhere around "liberal like Kucinich" and "more liberal than Kuncinich.")

It can be lonely and frustrating being the most liberal person in one's circle of friends/family/aquaintances...but that's why I thank the stars I have this place to come to! :hi:

[SeveneightyWhoa]

53. 25% more liberal than Kucinich?

Jeez, that's almost shameful.
I didn't know we had so many Stalinists on this forum.

[LeftofU]

54. Begin the re-education now.......

Lets round them up.

[themann1086]

57. Hey!

Stalinists are authoritarians. And I am definitely NOT an authoritarian.

[Morning Dew]

59. hard to vote . . .

This Minnesotan thought Wellstone was a little right wing.

Only half joking.

Geez, I miss that guy.

[hellbound-liberal]

58. Here's mine from political compass.org

Economic: -8.88
Social: -5.74

Hasn't changed much in the past year.

[Piperay]

60. Moderate...

left leaning.

[DaveSZ]

63. Does it bother anyone here

that Bush is half way to Hitler and Stalin on the authoritarian scale?

[themann1086]

64. or even better

move your finger left from Bush into the left quadrant, check out which recently-removed dictator has an authoritarian rating close to Bush.

[Sorry.]

65. The use of the world liberal

Strange what a distorted version of the word liberal Americans have. Liberalism (capital L as in the political philosophy) is closer to the Republican Party than the Democrat. One of its centrepoints is the state should not interfere with private property - free trade, low taxes, low regulation. It only really coincides US 'liberalism' on issues like abortion and separation of church and state.

Key document, Declaration of the Rights of man
http://www2.warwick.ac.uk/fac/arts/history/undergrad/modules/hi153/bibliography/week_2/man/

Article 2. The aim of every political association is the preservation of the natural and imprescriptible rights of man. These rights are liberty, property, security, and resistance to oppression.

Article 3. The source of all sovereignty resides essentially in the nation. No body, no individual can exercise authority that does not explicitly proceed from it. (the proletariat has no homeland!)


Article 17. (this one being the clincher) Property being an inviolable and sacred right, no one can be deprived of it, unless legally established public necessity obviously demands it, and upon condition of a just and prior indemnity.

FWIW, I'm far far far to the left of Kucinich - Libertarian Communist.

[dpibel]

66. With strong emphasis on the libertarian n/t

[Paradox_Mystery]

68. Using politicalcompass.org...

Economically, I am Pope John Paul II. Socially, I am Kucinich/Dalai Lama/Nelson Mandela.