When the war is news, good or bad, Bush goes up in the polls

[Hamlette]

seems to me. When the war is on the back burner people start thinking about the economy and Bush goes down. The war freaks me out and when it is the news I hate Bush more than ever but I'm not sure Joe Sixpack feels the same way.

Maybe it still is the economy, stupid.

If all Dems sold all our stock in August the market would go down and Kerry would win. Yeah?

[rpannier]

1. Probably Not

shrubbie would invade the country of St. Croix, or some other small nation, claim a victory and the idiots would all feel good about our "glorious victory." (Kinda like Grenada)

[RummyTheDummy]

2. Your hypothesis is essentially correct

I expected to see polls with Kerry leading by 10 points or more after the pounding Shit For Brains has taken the last two or three weeks. But much to my chagrin, SFB has pulled ahead or stayed the same in most every one.

We truly live in a nation of mind numbed idiots. I know it's April blah blah blah....but it's times like this when I truly become un-nerved by my fellow 'Merikuns. Sometimes it does seem that the US is a truly disgusting and morally bankrupt nation.

[countmyvote4real]

11. But we are Blanche. We are...

"a truly disgusting and morally bankrupt nation. "

Obvious sign is that the press has rolled over for *. And then there's the attention span and rational of our citizens. If you've lost a member of your family to the Iraq Invasion, you know the price, but it is still human nature to try to justify it and make it a noble loss.

I honestly can't say which is sadder: those that glorify their loss or those that see the sham and know that it didn't have to be. They both break my heart.

And the press wants to talk about jury selection and celebrities and bad American Idol outcasts.

[RummyTheDummy]

15. Great line from a great movie

My personal opinion: The people who try to glorify their loss are much sadder. True, the people who come to understand by losing someone still lose someone, but at least they've seen this country and this administration for what it is in the end. I agree, it's a heavy price to pay to be enlightened.

[pretzel4gore]

14. actually, it's the Chimpnut's News Network

lying through their pieholes.....their lives are hinged to bush success; they're responsible for the bush 'election' on 1st place....they've been conspiring against the legal gov for years...now their 'tit's are caught in a wringer'
bush isn't polling anything near what they say.

[Dover]

3. The polls, the reports of a 'healthy' economy, the market reports...

in EVERY area where information is dispersed...ALL of it is propaganda manipulation. Do you actually BELIEVE this presidential race is neck and neck? Surely a little voice inside is saying something different. Well at least some Dems are trying to reveal these lies at the core of Bushco's false facade and rotten foundations:


Treasury to Investigate Press Releases

By JEANNINE AVERSA, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - The Treasury Department (news - web sites)'s inspector general will review a batch of tax-related press releases recently issued by the agency, which Democrats alleged raised issues of improper politicking.

"What we are going to do is develop the facts and once we know what the facts are we can determine whether there was anything improper," Richard Delmar, counsel in the Treasury Department's Office of Inspector General, said Monday. "We are not going into this with any presumptions," he said.


Rep. Charles Rangel, D-N.Y., asked the inspector general's office last week to look into the matter.


The inspector general already has an inquiry under way examining the department's decision last month to analyze tax proposals by John Kerry (news - web sites), the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee. Delmar said his office's examination of the tax-related press releases will be part of that inquiry.

Democrats allege that the releases and the analysis of Kerry's tax proposals represent improper use of government resources for political purposes. Federal law restricts the political activities of government employees while on duty.

..snip..

In the press release case, Rangel, the Kerry campaign and other Democrats, were stirred by a message carried on four of five different releases issued by the department on April 9. It said: "America has a choice: It can continue to grow the economy and create new jobs as the president's policies are doing; or it can raise taxes on American families and small businesses, hurting economic recovery and future job creation."

While the sentiment is a long held position of the Bush administration, it was the first time the department included this message in dark type at the bottom of some its news releases...cont'd

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040419/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/treasury_politics&e=6&ncid=

[RummyTheDummy]

5. That's all well and good......

But are we as a nation really paying attention to anything other than American Idol and our mutual funds? It seems that outside of DU, few people really care about dead soldiers et al.

[Dover]

9. ...to the contrary, I'm always surprised at just how informed people are.

Why would you assume that no one is paying attention? Perhaps the propaganda has convinced you that you are marginal. You are NOT.
But they don't want you to think that. So they hire people to cheer the president at his speeches, and the whole show we all get 24/7. But people have those little internal truth meters, and at the very least suspicion is high.
If you buy what they're selling then they've won the image war. It's all smoke and mirrors.

[RummyTheDummy]

13. Are they really informed?

It would seem to me that if the popluace was truly informed about what was going on regarding Bush's tactics i.e. maniuplating gas prices, usurping the Sec. of State, and the ongoing disaster in Iraq, he would be frog marched out of the White House and into a Gulag.

Instead, he prospers, or at the very least, holds steady. Look, Im the first to admit we may all be in for a really pleasant suprise on election day. But at the same time, what we have to go on now -- polls -- paint a different picture and that picture is that if people were truly paying attention, his approval rating would be in the 20s. As it is, it's steady in the 50-52 range. After the past few weeks, that in itself is mind boggling.

[rooboy]

4. According to the repukes...

when Kerry goes up in the polls, the terrorists are winning. The reality is, though, that when * goes up, the Saudis are winning.

[fearnobush]

7. A vote for Bush is a vote for the Saudis.

How many of those hijackers were Saudi?

[fearnobush]

6. It's always the economy. Chimpy's daddy, the one that raised him,

Had 90% approval during his Iraq attack. But, as his deficit and 7.1 jobless rate took hold, Clinton and Perot smoked him. That said, Bush is only up now because he has dominated the press during all this insanity of war and 911 hearings. One thing remains is that his approval numbers have not gone up and his handling of the war has actually dropped a few points since last week.
What has hurt Kerry, and I feared this last week, was his go it along approach with the war, with 911 hearings and this Israel crap. However, the GE is still way way off in the distant future. 7 months away. In 1992, April, Clinton only had 22pts in the polls. So, anything is possible between now and then.

[RummyTheDummy]

10. In a way you're right

But at the same time, Clinton, for all his flaws, was a brilliant campaigner and a brilliant politcian. I like Kerry, but he is no Clinton in either dept. That's what troubles me.

[emulatorloo]

17. Nobody is Clinton but Clinton

He is amazing campaigner and his speech at the Demo Unity Dinner was breathtaking.

Nobody out there can match that, and that's the reality. I wouldn't get too upset about it, because that's the way it is.

[rpannier]

8. In all seriousness...

the problem with trying to get shrubbie on the economy, I think, dates back to 1988. Dukakis campaigned on his "Massachussetts Miracle" which was essentially using a lot of federal dollars to invest in the state, improve the economy and create jobs. The Reagan Administration, in order to help George I get elected, shut off most of that money and the "Miracle" turned into a debacle. I would not put it past the shrub and his "billionaire cronies" to try something short-term to give the appearance of creating many jobs in order to get re-elected, then fire everyone who got hired and voted bush.

[RummyTheDummy]

12. They're already doing that by.....

having fast food jobs re-classified as "manufacturing" jobs.

[fujiyama]

16. That won't matter though

People that don't have a job (or those that lost a job and later got a real shitty paying one) don't care how the administration is classifying jobs or what various job reports say.

People will vote the situation on the ground and on their pocketbooks.