I'm out of the loop. Do we care about the WP? Bad poll #s for Kerry.

[Cannikin]

The lead story on MSNBC is on the WP poll showing Kerry slipping while the Bush-baby holds steady.

"By 49 percent to 44 percent, Bush is viewed as better able to deal with the country's biggest problems. Five weeks ago, those numbers were reversed. By comfortable margins, voters see Bush as stronger than Kerry on key national security issues."


Not what I wanted to wake up to!

[vi5]

1. I don't want to see the correlation, but....

I'm noticing these numbers shifting, as I'm noticing more and more people here on this forum carping and complaining about Kerry. Maybe it's just coincidence, and I dont' think we should not complain about things he does and says to ourselves. But if people are seriously considering not voting for him or voting for Nader because of anything he's done or hasn't done or said so far then that is just....I don't even know.

It's disheartening, but not more disheartening than the fact that when Bush is up in the polls it's front page and headline news. When Kerry is up in the polls it's relegated to page 3 or 4.

[acmavm]

2. The WP always has an anti-Kerry slant, no matter what anyone else

prints. They're strictly bush* all the way. You'll notice that a lot of the stories that show bush* in a bad light never even show up, or they're slanted in a way to make it sound better than it really is. I don't pay attention anymore to what the WP says because even if Kerry was up by 10 points the WP would find a way to make it look like bush* was still ahead in the polls.

Who knows where they get their information, it sure ain't from the people of New York City.

[vi5]

4. I'm afraid if we keep dismissing numbers with that excuse.....

We'll find ourselves in dire straits.

[clonebot]

3. well of course bush can deal with it

as long as we have bush, his dad, and saudi arabia in bed together (not a pretty sight) - they can "take care" of any problem that they manufacture... not that america would know the difference.

[Ganja Ninja]

5. How is Kerry supposed to win over voters on the war issue when ...

he isn't offering a solution that's any different from Bush? Staying the course and waiting for NATO or someone else to come and help us is essentially the same plan Bush has. Criticism of the war doesn't go very far if your solution isn't different from your opponents.

[Gasolinedream]

6. Kerry...

has been saying that the UN should have been involved a long time ago. He wants to transfer power to the UN and us help out. Don't blame Kerry here. It wasn't Shit-for-Brain's Bush's idea to have the UN involved.

I am so sick of these polls not changing between a real leader and a fake leader(BUSH). My daily rant here--I can't believe people actually "trust" one of the dumbest and most deceitful Presidents we have EVER had!! I hope some of you are right about the WP. THey do seem to be opposite of a lot of the other polls.

[Walt Starr]

9. I DO blame Kerry here

He voted for the IWR. He bears every bit as much blame as Chimpy.

[Carolina]

13. me too

He should say the war was a mistake (not that crap about how Bush went about it wrong), that the administration LIED to Congress and the people and that he will leave Iraq to the Iraqis. The French left Americans to establish the American Democracy after our revolution. He should say you CANNOT IMPOSE Democracy, or your version of it, on people with guns and bombs. Duh.

The message from all the fighting there which these boneheads refuse to accept is that Iraqis, yes everyday people -- not insurgents, not Hussein loyalist, but EVERYDAY prople -- want us to get the fuck out of their country.

I am losing faith and Kerry is a big part of it. He's been a tutu Democrat for far too long. On MTP this Sunday when challenged about something he said ages ago, he should have been in Russert's face about what it is like to actually FIGHT in a war, to be wounded, to see death. No apologies, no convoluted explanations, no wish I coulda, shoulda. No, he should say I was entitled to that opinion then BECAUSE I HAD BEEN THERE, I FOUGHT, I know that war is not some armchair, geopolitical game.

Lately he offers no alternative, he shows no fight. Flame me for my doom and gloom. But feelings are feelings; impressions are impressions
and such nebulous things as feelings and impressions swing elections.

[Gasolinedream]

14. Please...

go to the Kerry website and throw your opinion over to them. Let them know we have a backbone. I've e-mailed a couple of times on various issues and actually gotten responses.

Bottom line is, I don't care what he does or says at this point. I am firmly entrenched against Bush. I want my country back. I hope lots of people are by election time. Shrub and his handlers are bad for the U.S. and bad for the world. They love taking away our rights, shoving their moral agendas on us, killing our children in poorly thought-out occupations, and embarassing us all around the world.

[boobooday]

7. Still not statistically significant

Another interesting thing about the WP.

They have another business, their most profitable business, which is Kaplan Test Preparation.

So guess who is making a bundle off of an education policy that is focused on standardized testing??? I found this little tidbit when I was trying to figure our how their editorial page got so WHACKED when Bush came to office.

http://www.wgoeshome.com

[xray s]

8. Let's see...Bush just spent $50 million on ads while Kerry has spent zip..

he just held a big press conference...is spilling the pork barrel all over the country...is using tax dollars and federal agencies to run what are basically Bush campaign ads...is waging war against terrorism "to defend us against the evil doers"...and he is still below 50%, which conventional wisdom says is a bad place for an incumbent to be.

These polls don't sound so great for Bush to me.

[TahitiNut]

12. Don't forget who gets that ad money.

It's no accident that the media companies who collect the advertising revenues tend to favor the big spenders.

[BillZBubb]

16. But, he's got another $250 million to spend

Given his huge advantage in money and media, Bush* is actually in a very good position now. He's already been successful at defining Kerry in a negative manner in the swing states. It will take virtually all of Kerry's resources to try to reconnect with voters who now view him as a weak, chronic flip-flopper.

These polls don't sound so great for Kerry to me.

[Octafish]

10. Bush gets 3 times the free air time Kerry gets.

So, the question is: What do we do about it?

[TahitiNut]

11. ABC/WaPo is 2nd only to Pox in its BushBias - more than 7.8% biased

Pollkatz (I sure wish he'd return!) did the most revealing analysis of pollster bias. (See http://www.pollkatz.homestead.com/files/bushindexprobushtable.htm) If we hypothesize that Ipso-Reid is the 'center' then ABC/WaPo is, on average, 7.768% biased in favor of the Facetious Fuhrer.

We've had frequent and interminable 'discussions' regarding polls where it has been often pointed out that these polls are not only inherently biased but that the reichwing engages in poll-busting techniques. Pollsters, to one degree or another, attempt to make statistical corrections for the bias inherent in their sampling techniques (telephone with 60% refusal rates) and observed poll-busting efforts.

[insidious]

15. This poll is a complete joke

I wouldn't worry at all about this stupid poll. The final paragraph of the story says:

"A total of 1,201 randomly selected adults were interviewed April 15-18 for this telephone survey. Margin of sampling error for the overall results is plus or minus 3 percentage points."

1,201 people is hardly a large number and I highly doubt these people were randomly selected. I have no idea who they allegedly called but my phone never seems to ring when they do these things. This is a joke... I wouldn't stop dusting off the ropes or sharpening the pitchforks because of this nonsense.

[newyawker99]

18. Hi insidious!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[theboss]

17. The ads and power of incumbancy

First of all, Bush's ads are pretty freaking devastating. I'm obviously voting for Kerry but at the end of the ads, I've caught myself going, "Geez, do I want him for president?" before smacking myself in the face.

Also, Bush once again dominates the news. This is the problem with the shortened primary season. It feels like Kerry won the nomination a decade ago and he just sits and waits for the convention. So, all the momentum is gone.

On the good side, Bush's negatives are up which means people may be souring on him. And no polls really matter until after the Conventions.

Also, Bush is supposed to be ahead at this point. Traditionally, incumbants always lead this early. The fact that it is close is a bad sign for Bush.

[GiovanniC]

19. Here's My Problem

This Wash Post/ABC poll is lead on MSNBC. MS-FUCKING-NBC. The sister of Newsweek, whose poll shows Kerry leading. MS-FUCKING-NBC is leading out an AB-fucking-C poll when they have their own in-house poll that shows something different. Mother-effers.

[maggrwaggr]

20. Bush is getting less and less popular, but so is Kerry

This is the problem with the rope-a-dope strategy which is what I assume Kerry is doing -- letting Bush spend all his money early on.

(I hope that's what's going on anyway)

Unfortunately the trouble with this strategy is that Bush is getting to define Kerry early on.

I'm sure both their negatives are going way up.

I, for one, am WAY turned off by the Botox. Real men don't do Botox.