Skeletons in Kerry's Closet?

[Bertha Venation]

A liberal attorney in my firm, "Ted," just stopped at my desk and said he's pretty sure * is going to be re-elected. Here's a paraphrase of what Ted said:

"Now that they're finding these skeletons in Kerry's closet -- and I just knew they would"

"And now the job stuff is coming up, looking good"

"Americans just see the Iraq war as entertainment, they don't really give a shit about anything"

I agree with the final statement. I have no idea what Ted's reading that makes him think "the job stuff" is looking good. But mostly, I don't know what skeletons there are.

I don't watch CNN or any TV news, really. I get news from the Washington Post and various on-line sources. What's he talking about -- skeletons?

[onecitizen]

1. I don't know either but.........

I heard some similar little things too. Something about him not wanting his Military record opened for all to see?

Maybe someone can tell us what's up.

[bearfartinthewoods]

15. that was the reporter that does updates on cspan in the AM

he said Kerry had changed his mind about releasing all his military records as he had said he would on MTP.

[onecitizen]

27. thanx bfitw.........

I wonder why? His record is to be admired. Why would he not want it out there?

[bearfartinthewoods]

44. it looks like it was just a screw up.

i heard on the tube that he's loading some of his records onto the website and waiting for the rest of them to be delivered from the pentagon.

[Langis]

2. Voting to raise taxes 350 times

Supporting a 50-cent gas tax. Probably all the BS in the Bush campaign commercials. If that's it, I am really sorry that he is buying it.

[onehandle]

3. Go read Newsmax or worldnetdaily....

Plenty of lies such as he's heard at those "news" sites.

[Bertha Venation]

89. No thanks. Not looking for lies.

[jjmalonejr]

4. There are no skeletons.

The GOP will drag out his war protester past and seek to redefine it. He's a war criminal. He's a crazy/unstable Vietnam vet. He doesn't deserve his medals. Blah, blah, blah. They will try to sell this as "skeletons."

Kerry was on Nixon's enemies list, and they worked hard to discredit and silence him during this period. If there were real skeletons, they'd have been dragged out of the closet well before now.

[blm]

10. If they had ANYTHING they would've used it during his BCCI investigations

and IranContra and CIA drugrunning when Kerry was exposing their illegal, covert deeds. Reagan-Bush and their operatives, including the FBI had him followed and thoroughly investigated at the time and they came up with NADA.

[tiedye]

34. Maybe he is a republican?

We are going to have to scrutinize him, not the republicans. He voted for the war.

[moosedog]

12. Is there something wrong with my thinking ?

The thing that I most admire about Kerry is the fact that he had the intestinal fortitude to stand up for what he believed in, and I agree with him too. That war was a political disaster and wrong and so is this one. The fools have got us into another mess and killing all our young people. It is wrong and I am grateful for everyone that has what it takes to raise cane and protest the dang thing. Mrs. Moose

[tiedye]

31. Kerry voted For Bush's war in Iraq. This one.

Read the democracynow link. Sad as it is, he doesn't have the fortitude to say "no" to sole executive power to declare war. He voted for the 87 billion for George. Sad to say the democrats have pre selected another memebr of the wealthy elite to represent all opposed to Bush, and guess what, he is the same as Bush on the single major issue of this election, the war.

[bobbieinok]

61. W stated he would get UN approval, said there was evidence of WMD

Many voted on the assumption that pResident would not lie in a matter of war.

Lots of people thought - and some still think - that the old rules apply.

It takes a long time for many of us to accept and believe that we are really dealing with lying criminals who will say anything to get the appearance of agreement and cooperation.

I suspect it's been harder for the pros like Harkin and Kennedy and Kerry to accept that the other side really has NO LIMITS; as pros they've spent much of their adult lives in a reasonable political world.

It may be that only those of us 'outside the loop' with no vested interest in the daily give and take necessary for the smooth working of congress have been able to see much more clearly that we are dealing with a whole new level of incredible lying - way beyond VN, Nixon, Reagan.

[nonconformist]

94. Actually, Kerry did not vote for the 87 billion. n/t

[Sequoia]

5. Rich Beautiful Women

that he's married and dated. Those Repubs are afraid of Dems who have lots of sex. They feel so threatened not even Viagra could help.
Seriously, can you see the White House thugs attracting real women?

[blm]

25. Teresa could have had anybody. She chose Kerry. He has IT.

.

[tiedye]

36. who cares?

How does he attract poor and middle income homely americans like most of America. Please, kill your TV. Read and listen to the radio for your information.

[Q]

6. Bush* has so many skeletons...

...that they've filled a dozen closets. Why is it that the Dems ALWAYS allow the Right to frame the debate? Why is it that Dems don't expose the bones in Bush's* closet? Are they afraid?

[CBHagman]

7. I have a book called "The Experts Speak"

It contains all the assertions made in past years regarding George Herbert Walker Bush's second term, the literary value of various authors, whether "Titanic" would be a flop, etc.

You can find dozens of people who will assure you that Bush will be elected, and they'll give every reason in the book for it. But it's April, and we have no clue what the next few months hold.

Oh, and several people at my company were practically wetting themselves with pleasure over the Drudge Report a few months back. One higher-up proclaimed that Kerry was dropping out of the race.

Take a deep breath and be skeptical.

[rocktivity]

8. If Kerry has skeletons in his closet

Bush has monsters in his.

:headbang:
rocknation

[htuttle]

9. He's half extraterrestrial, on his mother's side

Yup, it's true. Underneath his clothes, he's grey.

OTOH, it's better than being all reptile on both sides of his family like Bush.

:eyes:

[onehandle]

14. I Knew It!. nt

[tiedye]

11. Taxes are to be expected

We are going to have to pay for social program because Dumb ass Bush spent so much on the illegal war.
Duh, we need taxes, we are working ourselves to the bones to sustain the occupation. This is like the first reality check for stupid Americans that believe we can do such atrocities freely.

Look at it this way we are not getting a gas tax, we are getting an occupation tax post-poned.

I'll tell you one skeleton I heard, well two. One is that he's a skull and cross bones frat boy like our other Yalie candidate.

The other is that Kerry panders to defense contractors. He, let's say, "tolerates" illegal wars now. This is his biggest problem facing him now. He has no integrity to talk against the war like he did about V.N. when he was 27 years old. Republicans will find it hard to vote for him because he burned "somebodies" medals and real liberals and progressives find him insincere and impotent.

[blm]

20. Liberals KNOW Kerry's REAL record and you can't distort it.

Real liberals have DEEP respect for Kerry's dogged investigations of BCCI, IranContra and CIA drugrunning. He first exposed the BFEE then and had to fight the GOP and Dem powerstructures to do so while the media was doing their best to bring him down and paint him as a "conspiracy theory nut."

Real liberals know that it was John Kerry who was the first Senator to rwrite legislation protecting gays and he was the first to advocate for gays to serve openly in the military.

Real liberals know Kerry advocated for public financing of campaigns since 1985 and crafted that legislation with Wellstone.

Real liberals know that Kerry spent 10 years helping to craft the Kyoto Accord wiith other world leaders.

Real liberals know that Kerry's efforts helped end three wars. Vietnam, Iran-Iraq and the Reagan-Bush illegal wars in Central America.

John Kerry exposed more government corruption than ANY lawmaker in modern history.

"Insincere and impotent" - Who do you think you're kidding?

BTW....the gas tax was a BOGUS charge by the Bush campaign and REAL liberals know this. Why spread GOP propaganda, especially knowing that it has been refuted?

[tiedye]

22. Oh yeah, this "skeleton"

I grabbed this from Democracynow.org. Kerry buys into the same lines about the "threat". He supported Bush on the Iraq war. I guess that's what I mean my impotent. I mean, how is he representative of the millions of us that marched in protest of the war? Albeit he was awesome when he spoke about Viet Nam, back in the day. Kerry is not a candidate for progressive change. He is a "ledge" for which we can stand on.- Howard Zinn the other niight at Westminster college in Salt lake City Utah.
Please, if you like his issues, not his style of talking or his hair or his clothes or how he is physically not Bush. Talk platform issues and tell me what is good about his plan for Iraq- our biggest calamity since Bush came into power.

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On October 9, 2002 Senator John Kerry voted in favor of the invasion of Iraq. His friend and fellow Vietnam veteran Brian Willson soon penned an open letter to Kerry to express his disappointment that Kerry went from an ardent opponent of the Vietnam War to a support of a preemptive attack on Iraq. We speak to Willson.
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Just over 30 years after he passionately advocated against the Vietnam War, John Kerry took one of his most controversial votes: giving President Bush the authorization to invade Iraq.
On October 9, 2002, Massachusetts Senator John Kerry stood on the Senate floor and spent 45 minutes outlining his support for the war. On October 10 he placed his vote.

The next week his friend and fellow Vietnam War veteran Brian Willson wrote an open letter to Kerry protesting his decision.

Willson wrote:


It has been a long time since we have had contact. As you might remember, our very first meeting was at VVAW's Dewey Canyon III, "A Limited Incursion Into the Country of Congress," April 19-23, 1971, in Washington, D.C. I'm sure you remember asking the Senate that week in an impassioned speech, "How do you ask a man to die for a mistake?" You also stressed the importance of being "totally nonviolent"...
With your vote for essentially agreeing with the selected resident of the White House's request for incredible authority in advance to wage wars against whomever he wants, you have contributed to finalizing the last of the world's empires, and the likely consequent doom of international law, peaceful existence, and hope for the future possibilities of Homo sapiens. Of course, it also means that searching for the motivations of other people's rage and desperate acts of revenge will be overlooked, dooming us to far more threats and instability then if we had seriously pursued a single-standard in the application of international law equally with all nations in the first place. We are too much of a bully to do that, and have stated over and over again that the American Way Of Life is not negotiable. Can you understand that this means species suicide?

I'm sorry and terribly fearful for this state we are in. Your vote is terribly misguided, John. Now that veterans have reorganized throughout the nation as once again an important part of the growing movement, know that we shall work hard for your defeat, whether as a Presidential candidate or for another Senate term.

We talk to veteran Brian Willson and hear a clip of John Kerry's 2002 speech supporting the Iraq invasion.

Brian Willson, a former U.S. Air Force captain who served in Vietnam, first met Kerry in 1971 during protests on Capitol Hill. In the 1980s, Willson was one of "Kerry's Commandos" or "the dog hunters"; and then-Lt.-Gov. Kerry appointed Willson to his Vietnam Veteran's Advisory Committee.

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AMY GOODMAN: I'm Amy Goodman. As we turn to Brian Wilson a long-time friend of John Kerry. He has recently written a letter to Senator John Kerry on Iraq.

BRIAN WILSON: Well, good morning, Amy. I listened to this speech. I was standing outside the Fulbright Hearing Room on April 22, 1971, and I was ecstatic. I was empowered and I was validated. I was like, most of the other veterans that were there at Dewey Canyon Three. I was going through my first phases of shock, and trying to tell the truth, and here was a patrician, no less, John Kerry, who was a spokesperson that really did capture our sentiments, in a way that we couldn't have imagined. So, that was my -- you know, my first days with John Kerry. And I have never forgotten the end of his speech, which I guess was played. You played it -- his declaration, that we want to take one last mission to reach out and destroy the last vestige of this barbaric war, and that we want to be part of where America finally turned, and soldiers like ourselves in the turning. Well, I and other veterans that I work with, have never forgotten it; and we still are on the path working for the turning.

I didn't spend any time with John Kerry after that week until 1982, when I worked with him when he was lieutenant governor of Massachusetts, and I was directing a veteran outreach center in the state. Other groups of veterans, myself included, were having regular consultations with John Kerry, mostly on veterans issues. Then, Senator Paul Tsongas, who was one of the senators from Massachusetts at the time, had developed cancer; and he was going to have to step down. So, John Kerry immediately, decided to run for the senate.

I and about 12 or 15 other veterans worked on his primary campaign, against a very progressive Massachusetts congressman, Jim Shannon. He just beat Shannon and then he ran against a very wealthy republican businessman, Gray Shaymee, in the general election. Now, when he was running for the senate for his first term, he was very clear: He voted for arms reduction, nuclear freeze, U.S. out of Central America. He wanted to cut the defense budget in very specific ways: He wanted to eliminate the MX Missile, the Space Weapons Program, binary nerve gas, the M-1 Abrams tanks; and a whole list of weapons systems, and even various airplanes: the M-16, B-1 Bombers, B-2, the Stealth Bombers, and so forth. He even wanted to control acid rain and hazardous wastes.

So, I had no reasons to doubt that he was still on that path at that time. Even in the primary debate with Shannon, he was telling Shannon that Shannon had made a mistake when he voted for the MX Missile and Shannon admitted that he had made a mistake. Then Kerry said, as I remember, ‘I fought in a mistake called Vietnam. How can we have confidence that you won't make more mistakes?’.

Well, John Kerry has made huge mistakes. The hugest mistake was his vote on October 11, 2002, to basically and unconstitutionally delegate war authority to Bush, in giving the president war-declaring power; which, only congress can do with a declaration of war. Basically, unlawfully transferring to the president the decision-making power on whether to launch the first strike in the invasion of Iraq. And he had bought all of the deceptions - hook, line and sinker, almost in the fashion to become a Bush cheerleader, if you read his October 9 speech the night before the vote. I was shocked! There are a lot of other things about John that have been disturbing.

AMY GOODMAN: Brian Wilson, I wanted to play just a clip of the speech that Senator John Kerry gave on the Senate Floor, October 9, 2002:

JOHN KERRY: “Mr. President, when I vote to give the president of the United States the authority to use force, if necessary, to disarm Saddam Hussein; because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a threat and a grave threat to our security and that of our allies in the Persian Gulf region, I will vote, because I believe it is the best way to hold Saddam Hussein accountable.”

AMY GOODMAN: That was Senator John Kerry, October 9, 2002. Brian Wilson...

BRIAN WILSON: 56 other congressmen and senators could see through the deception and voted, ‘no’, on that resolution. John always was, at least, an intelligent person. He was law trained. It’s just strange that he couldn't see what many other people could see; including, most of his constituents in Massachusetts who he literally refused to meet with, over and over again. I think it's ironic that he sits on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee today, and he was overseeing or was participating, in hearings in 2002 about Iraq. He has seen voluminous evidence questioning the veracity of the allegations of Bush II, on the weapons of mass destruction, presence of nuclear weapons, and so forth. And that was the same committee that he was speaking before 33 years ago; asking that committee serious questions about the war in Vietnam – ‘And how can you ask a man to be last man to die for a mistake?’. So, I'd like John Kerry to answer the question of who is going to be the last man to die for his mistake. And is he going to acknowledge that he has made a terrible mistake. And hold himself accountable as he is going to be holding Bush accountable. Obviously, Bush is extremely vulnerable, but Bush -- I mean, but -- but Kerry, himself, is very vulnerable. I don't know whether his ability to kind of have it both ways will work as he is cross-examined harshly, I'm sure, by the Bush people down the road. I think Kerry's most -- his biggest strength -- is Bush's vulnerability. And if Kerry would make himself less vulnerable, I think he would be a shoe-in. But, I am concerned about a lot of his positions, and he's also one of the largest recipients of special interest monies. Which is another concern. But, also, he voted for the Patriot Act, and he voted for homeland security. He has not shown leadership from a senator who has basically had, kind of a safe seat. So, he hasn't shown courage.

AMY GOODMAN: Well, he has had very close races.

BRIAN WILSON: Pardon me?

AMY GOODMAN: He had a very close race against William Weld.

BRIAN WILSON: Yes, in 1996. In 2002, he didn't have any kind of opposition. So, after 1996, when he seemed to step up his rhetoric, his rhetoric seemed to become harsher after 1996, apparently; and certainly, nobody did emerge in 2002 that seriously challenged Kerry. So, his rhetoric simply became more Bush-like, more hawk-like. This is disturbing. It's very disturbing.

AMY GOODMAN: Brian Wilson, I want to thank you very much for being with us. Brian Wilson, Air Force captain, who served in Vietnam. First met John Kerry in 1971. Fellow veterans protesting on Capitol Hill. In 1987, Brian Wilson lost both his legs as he lay down across railroad tracks to prevent a military train in California from – he tried to prevent it from getting weapons to Central America to protest the support of the Contras there.

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[blm]

24. Gee, tiedye. Campaigning AGAINST Kerry here?

Nice.

No reply to Kerry's ACTUAL achievements after you claimed he was "insincere and impotent" in your other post?

[tiedye]

30. Kerry

Big deal. Bush has done some things for the environment. How about the war? So you save a tree and kill ten thousand civilians. Its priorities on the platform, not Kerry personally. The war, hello? That is what we are all so pissed at George about, and what does Kerry do that is any better? I responded with Democracynow report that shows he voted to give George war declaration power. Explain this to me, since you are such a Kerry campaigner. What good is the democratic party member when he votes like a republican?

[Feanorcurufinwe]

33. Look - we understand that you don't want Kerry to be President.

so you don't need to repeat that point. Who will you be voting for in November?

[tiedye]

38. voting or the platform?

I will vote for Kerry, so will Howard Zinn but that doesn't mean much. I mean Kerry practically will be given this opportunity because Bush is so awful.

Its so simple minded and Heirarchical worship to think Kerry is going to deliver us from the tyranny of GW Bush. He voted to give war power to him. So, the occupation continues? Kerry is not that much better than Bush.

Kucinich has a real aganda for democrats, not just beating Bush. Like to see some of the Kerry supporters justify the war and NAFTA and the WTO.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

40. Your overly simplistic characterizations

do effectively push emotional buttons, but they aren't really a good jumping off for a debate. Asking me to justify the war because I support Kerry is like asking you to justify making abortion illegal because you support Kucinich.

[tiedye]

41. war versus abortion

Okay, how many people does the abortion issue effect and how many does the war? Priorities here.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

43. Weak attempt to dodge the issue.

What I said: Your overly simplistic characterizations do effectively push emotional buttons, but they aren't really a good jumping off for a debate.
Asking me to justify the war because I support Kerry is like asking you to justify making abortion illegal because you support Kucinich.


Your attempt to sidetrack the discussion into irrelevancies won't work.

[Lindacooks]

79. The 'abortion issue' affects two people

a woman and her doctor.

It's nobody else's business.

[blm]

53. That's odd. Someone from the left who doesn't care about the environment?

You can't see that the environment is a VITAL part of national security and egood environmental policies by Kerry would PREVENT wars in oil rich regions?

It seems you are intent ONLY on causing disunity amongst Dems based ONLY on the IWR vote from Oct.2002..

[Feanorcurufinwe]

54. What's even more bizarre is this

Bush has done some things for the environment.

:wtf:

Like do everything in his power to dismantle every environmental protection? 'Healthy Forests'? 'Clean skies'? Should I go on?

[blm]

56. Interesting, huh?

All
Liberals
Enjoy
Real
Truth

[bobbieinok]

62. misprint - you wrote W did 'for' the environ, you meant 'AGAINST'

[Kool Kitty]

72. "Bush has done some things for the environment."

Oh, what would these things be? I know of a lot of things he had done TO the environment, I'd just like to know what I've missed.

[Lindacooks]

81. If you think that 'the war' is what we are all so pissed

at chimpy about, you aren't a Democrat. We're pissed that:

1. He stole the 2000 election by stopping the recount and was appointed by the Supreme Court.

2. He is violating women's rights to privacy.

3. He is raping the environment.

4. He is transferring money from the U.S. treasury into his cronies' pockets, and they are giving it to him for his 're-selection'.

5. His economic programs have brought disaster to this country and are squeezing out the middle class.

6. The rich are richer and the poor are poorer under the chimp.

7. The Patriot Act violates our civil rights.

8. He set up a secret government and illegally transferred money appropriated by Congress to start fighting the war in Iraq.

9. He is packing the courts with unbelievably right wing judges who are against personal privacy and for big business.

10. AND we're pissed that he lied to Congress and the American people and the WORLD about WMDs and has killed thousands of people with his fucking illegal war, and has made his buddies richer than rich with the 'no-bid' reconstruction contracts.

and I could list about 25 more, but I have things to do.

[blm]

87. THANKYOU. You nailed it PERFECTLY.

.

[pjordan24]

42. Why must I as a tax payer pay for social programs?

I do not understand where it is the government's job to provide social programs with taxpayer money.

[Skittles]

46. let me ask you a question

if a baby is in pain, should the baby be seen by a doctor even if his parents have no ability to pay for the services?

[pjordan24]

47. Well when you put it that way......

I agree everyone should have the right for health care, but the problem you run into with that is people spend there money on drugs,entertainment, etc. before they buy a health insurance policy.

[Skittles]

48. the fact that some people abuse a program

does not negate that program's worth. Social programs are very important for society. Do you want child abuse investigated? What do you think social workers are?

[pjordan24]

49. These programs do get abused badly.....

I will agree with you that they are very important, but I don't think we do enough to control abuse. These programs swell out of control because of abuse, while you and I continue working hard to pay for them.

[Skittles]

52. I would agree with you there

just don't make statements like you don't understand why you have to pay for social programs - makes you look like an idiot conservative. :)

[Kool Kitty]

74. I don't believe that social programs get abused as badly as

the repubs say they do. The "welfare queen" myth was concocted by the Reagan administration.

[Skittles]

77. I would say that military /defense programs

have 100 times the abuse rate of social programs.

[Kool Kitty]

80. Boy, is that ever true!

Don't hear them talking about thoses abuses, though, do we?

[Skittles]

84. no

because their ditto masters have them focused on "welfare queens" while the REAL abuse - like corporate welfare - runs rampant. There's two kinds of conservatives - those who are doing the major bucks rip-offs and those who are unaware of it because they are focused on the fur-wearing, cadillac-driving welfare queen.

[mitchum]

85. Good riddance to bad freepish

A beautiful tombstone there

[Skittles]

86. HEY PJORDAN

YOU NEED TO READ THIS THREAD:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=1446913&mesg_id=1446913

[0rganism]

66. So now you get to reconcile that with your initial post

> Why must I as a tax payer pay for social programs?
> I do not understand where it is the government's job to provide social programs with taxpayer money.

Go ahead, you tell us, why is it the government's job to provide social programs with taxpayer money? Why do you believe taxes should pay for health care?

[PassingFair]

75. As a small business owner...

it was costing me $800.00/month for health insurance, no prescriptions.
Health insurance policies are beyond most people's means if they are self employed. Believe me, I wasn't spending my money on "drugs and entertainment", and neither are other members of the working poor.

[Lindacooks]

82. You must pay for social programs

because they benefit society as a whole.

[Alpha Wolf]

13. Maybe some skeletons might actually help...

My worst fears before the primaries are coming true. Kerry, like him or not, is just so fricken' dry. White toast. If he doesn't win this election it won't be because of some "skeleton" or some controversy-- it will be because he just couldn't get people excited about him. Hell, I've been voting straight-ticket Democrat since the '76 Carter election-- and even I can't excited about Kerry. The only thing that pumps me up is my dislike for the shrub.

Jeez-- I wish third party candidates had a realistic chance.

[Catherine Vincent]

16. I feel the same way but people better wake up and vote Kerry

and get Bush the hell out of the White House!

[shimmergal]

17. Kerry does come across as admirable, but not exciting.

I fully intend to vote for him, but if even I can see it, what about those on the fence that we're trying to persuade?

On the other hand, he must have had some oomph to attract those rich, beautiful women. What is it? Can it be "packaged" for TV? If so, this could really help his campaign.

[Alpha Wolf]

18. How does he attract those women?

Being a U.S. Senator probably helps a little bit in attracting beautiful, rich women. Unfortunately, everyone (especially those on the fence) already know he's a Senator. I'm getting a real bad feeling every time I see one of his campaign stops. If Gore was too stiff, then Kerry is reinforced concrete. He needs to quit acting so moderate and "middle of the road".

"Give 'em hell , Kerry. Don't be afraid to talk up truly liberal, progressive ideas. It will get people EXCITED." This is what his campaign managers need to be telling him.

PS - I wonder how one would go about applying to be a campaign manager? Is it too late...

[blm]

21. Kerry has WAY more sizzle than he gets credit for.

Many women love intellect, sincerity and heart. Kerry has those qualities in spades.

[onecitizen]

26. Oh yeah..........

me for one. I've watched him when he's with Teresa and he seems to adore her! He kisses her very sweetly I think. I think Kerry would be a real catch personally.

[tiedye]

45. thats the problem.

Those qualities are very easy to construct in a speech. Real heart voting for Bush's war resolution.

Women who vote for Kerry because they have "crush" on him are no help. Think issues, not qualitative characterizations of his "manhood".

You know my neighbor says the exact thing about GW. Many women think George has these qualities because they watch too much tv and don't read independent news media.

[blm]

58. Get real. Loving Kerry because he exposed more government corruption

than any lawmaker in modern history is hardly equal to a "crush"....and I am appalled that you would equate the two. You never even ADDRESSED the point that Kerry investigated and exposed BCCI, IranContra and CIA drugrunning which refuted your LAME charge that Kerry was "insincere and impotent" even though almost everything we know today about the decades of Bush atrocities are due to Kerry's efforts.

[kskiska]

51. Maybe Teresa has a thing for senators

She was married to another, you know. Why blame Kerry?

[Alpha Wolf]

90. I'll concede on the intellect and heart, but...

sincerity is one of his biggest problems IMO. Hell, even among the progressive base this is the main criticism of him-- namely that he plays too much to the particular audience he's trying to attract.

Ask yourself these questions:

What, really, is Kerry's position on gay marriage?

His position on Israel/Palestine?

His position on Iraq?

Etc, etc.

He'll say one thing to a room full of us, and another to a room full of moderates.

[tiedye]

39. schmooze job

what is so admirable besides helping testify against the Viet nam war.

[blm]

71. Have you tried reading modern history?

If you think investigating and exposing BCCI, IranContra and CIA drugrunning is NOTHING to admire, then I question your judgement.

[Rhiannon12866]

19. There is a website in the Links area

that claims to have all the dirt on all the candidates. There is absolutely nothing on Kerry except his anti-Vietnam War activities, which are front page news, anyway. It didn't even mention his divorce, but I guess that's no big deal, these days. This site is probably skewed in favor of Democrats, but there was so much on Bush* that it boggles the mind.:crazy:

[emulatorloo]

23. I don't know - ask him what the HELL he is talking about

and get back to us!

[Feanorcurufinwe]

35. Best post in the thread -- you've said it all. n/t

[molly]

28. He probably supported another candidate and is pissed

everyone of us has "skeletons" - you, me, the pastor or rabbi down the street. So fucking what!

[PaDUer]

29. Look at the skeltons this gang has

mass murder..

[Skittles]

32. I know lots of folk are indifferent to the war

but only freepers are "entertained" by it.

[tiedye]

37. Uninformed, not uninterested

People are being misled by the mainstream press. read Al Jazeera for an account of the Easter Slaughter i Falluja. Very different indeed than the Washington Post, NY Times etc.

Its human nature to look away from a baby with it's brain blown out. So, the more gruesome GW gets, the more people will turn away and prefer the mind numbing irrelevant bs on the tube.

Democrats are against the war. Many republicans are against it. It is a Fa-loon that people support it. Don't buy it. Its why nobody has anything too positive to say about Kerry. He voted for the Presidents authority to go to war- illegally.

[FlaGranny]

57. No, he voted for the president to go to war LEGALLY,

but the PRESIDENT did it illegally.

[Skittles]

78. he voted to give an unelected warmongering piece of SHIT

the ability to abuse the military the way Bush has. IT IS INDEFENSIBLE.

[karabekian]

50. theres skeletons in every politicians closet

n/c

[Feanorcurufinwe]

55. Skeletons from the Closet

[nonkultur]

59. "Lowell Watergate?"

http://www.boston.com/globe/nation/packages/kerry/061803.shtml
To win the primary, the newcomer overcame the election eve arrest of his brother, Cameron, and campaign field director Thomas J. Vallely, both then 22, in the basement of a Lowell building that housed the headquarters of Kerry and another Democratic contender, state Representative Anthony R. DiFruscia of Lawrence. It was almost 2 a.m. - 30 hours before the polls opened - when the two were arrested on charges of breaking and entering with intent to commit larceny.

That day's Sun blared a memorable, double-deck headline: "Kerry brother arrested in Lowell `Watergate."' DiFruscia, getting some extra ink in the campaign's waning hours, had drawn the parallel to the break-in at Democratic headquarters in Washington three months earlier.

The Kerry camp declared it a setup, saying that the two responded to an anonymous phone call, minutes earlier, threatening to cut the campaign's 36 phone lines on the day before its get-out-the-vote effort. Lowell Police arrested the pair in an area near the trunk line for all of the building's phones.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

60. A 32 year old story that is no secret is a 'Skeleton in the Closet'?

lol

[nonkultur]

64. Old in Mass

I don't think most people outside of Mass. know the story.
The RW media(CNN, MSNBC, Faux, ect...) could spin it to be pretty ugly if they chose to.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

67. How ?

How could they possibly make this into something bad? Let's hear it, lol.

[nonkultur]

69. Scandal sells and the Media like to hold back attacks for ratings.

It would add another straw to the camels back.

I am not saying it would break it but it could add to the republican attack machine.

"Lowell Watergate: the scandal that almost cost John Kerry his political career. Tonight on CNN."

[Feanorcurufinwe]

70. How could they make it sound like a scandal?

What could they say?

[nonkultur]

76. That on his first campaign

Kerry's brother and the campaign field director broke into the basement of a Lowell building that housed the headquarters of his primary opponent Anthony R. DiFruscia, and they were arrested on charges of breaking and entering with intent to commit larceny.

Since Kerry lost the election, the state never pursued the charges.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

91. So they would just outright lie? More lies from Bush won't help Bush

It will just solidfy the image of Bush as a desperate liar in everyone's minds.

Kerry's brother and the campaign field director broke into the basement of a Lowell building that housed the headquarters of his primary opponent Anthony R. DiFruscia, and they were arrested on charges of breaking and entering with intent to commit larceny.

Since Kerry lost the election, the state never pursued the charges.

Kerry won the election. I still don't see how this 32-year-old story that is not even close to a secret could look like a scandal.

[Larkspur]

63. Kerry, like Bush, is a Skull and Bonesman

so both have lots of skeletons in their respective closets.

[nonkultur]

65. LOL

[DemNoir]

68. Did you really need to post this?

Now the panic threads are taking the form of "a guy stoped by my desk and said" you gotta be kidding me.

I cant take much more of this.

[John_H]

73. I always verify my info on John Kerry's personal life with Ted.

My motto is, "Once it's said by Liberal Lawyer Ted, you can put that mofo to bed."

[IronLionZion]

83. *Shrub is the one with the skeletons

like his mysterious gay affairs and links to the Bin Laden family and Saudi Family, etc. There's plenty of dirt out there just waiting to be dug up.

[gristy]

88. Kerry may not have any skeletons of any substance...

but * and his minions are sure going to scream like there are. And as far as bush's skeletons, they are LOCKED UP TIGHT. I'm more than half way through John Dean's book, and he describes a very scary veil (actually, brick and steel wall) of secrecy only pecked at by a weak media.

[jeanmarc]

92. Doomed, doomed, doomed!!!!!

We're doomed! Game over, man! Turn out the lights!

I have a guy that I talk to that says Bush will win in a 50 state sweep! Arrrrrrghhhh! Woe is everyone!

I don't agree with his final statement, but until these skeletons are actually there, I'm not going to get frightened. Zoinks!

[physioex]

93. What about the Skeletons coming back from Iraq??? EOM