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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-04 04:56 PM
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Highly ironic. Saudis/oil prices: is it a traitorous scam, or good policy?
Much buzz has occurred over one particular portion of Woodward's new book, the part about there possibly being an offer by the Saudis to lower oil prices in time for the election.

This has been roundly criticised as a "bad thing" -- foreign interference in our election, additional confirmation of the dark and sinister ties between Bushco and the House of Saud, further evidence of the lengths to which the power elite will go to manipulate outcomes to their favor, etc.

However, here at Kerry's website, I see a clear call FOR Saudi intervention, to be initiated by bush*!

http://blog.johnkerry.com/blog/archives/001556.html

Last night on CBS's "60 Minutes," Bob Woodward, senior editor at the Washington Post, said Saudi Arabian Prince Bandar pledged to increase Saudi oil production and thereby lower gas prices before the 2004 election. This pledge has cost US consumers literally billions of dollars in higher gas prices.

During a debate in 2000, George Bush said, “What I think the President ought to do is he ought to get on the phone with the OPEC cartel and say we expect you to open your spigots.” He continued: “The President of the United States must jawbone OPEC members to lower the price.”

Lets send a message to President Bush: Pick up the phone and and start "jawboning" OPEC and the Saudi Government to lower oil prices and stop trying to influence American elections by manipulating the price of oil.


Now, to me, this sounds like asking the Saudis to manipulate oil prices for a favorable election outcome. What kind of sense does it make to campaign on an issue by demanding that your opponent exercise HIS power and influence in an area where HIS power and influence is deemed to be suspicious at best, and quite alarming at worst?

How can we mount an attack based on the close ties between bush* and the Saudis when our own candidate is calling upon bush* to USE those ties?

Why isn't Kerry out there explaining to the American people all about how the oil industry controls our politics and what we can do to take back some power of our own?

I just was struck by the irony.

And in case you haven't seen this, TPM shows how Woodward is backing away from Saudi/oil price fixing story himself:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/

Even odder is that Woodward now seems to be backing off the original claim. At least that's what I gleaned from this exchange from last night between Bandar and Woodward on Larry King (a cast of three characters about whom many funny things could certainly be said) ...

KING: The story that Mr. Woodward has about the promise to lower the oil prices by the election. Your government has denied (this).

WOODWARD: That's not my story. What I say in the book is that the Saudis, and maybe you looked at this section of the book, Ambassador, that the Saudis hoped to keep oil prices low during the period for -- before the election, because of its impact on the economy. That's what I say.

BIN SULTAN: I think the way that Bob said it now is accurate. We hoped that the oil prices will stay low, because that's good for America's economy, but more important, it's good for our economy and the international economy, and this is not -- nothing unusual. President Clinton asked us to keep the prices down in the year 2000. In fact, I can go back to 1979, President Carter asked us to keep the prices down to avoid the malaise. So yes, it's in our interests and in America's interests to keep the prices down.

Clearly we're in good hands.


sw

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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-04 05:00 PM
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1. the Saudis financed terrorists, 15 of them attack us...
and Bush "appeases" them, by pulling U.S. troops OUT of the country that most of the hijackers came from (just as OBL wanted), and started cutting business deals with the al Qaeda backers in order to increase THEIR oil profits and ensure a positive effect on his own re-election

is it a coincidence that, while they are INTENTIONALLY driving up gas prices now, Bush is running ads about Kerry and the $.50 gas tax?

no, it isn't


this is criminal, IMHO.

BUSH APPEASES TERRORISTS, DAMMIT!!!!!!!!!!!

:grr::mad:
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-04 05:28 PM
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2. We need conservation, not just "lower prices at any cost"
Edited on Tue Apr-20-04 05:29 PM by HypnoToad
I don't know of the 9/11 terrorists were told by Saudi government to do their bidding, but such foreign influence in our voting should rock this nation to its very foundations. I am outraged by this turn of events, Bush double-dealing with ANY foreigner for election-time manipulation.

I think Kerry's muddled website says to have Bushie* lower prices NOW. Indeed, WHY THE FUCK ISN'T KERRY CALLING * ON THE UNDERHANDEDNESS OF THE ISSUE INSTEAD OF HASTENING THE PRICE DROP?! (underhandedness to say the least, what's been said is totally outrageous and should make EVERY American beyond livid.)

Worst of all, lowering prices will not solve a thing in the long term. It'll just increase our appetite for the stuff. The cheaper it is, the more we're going to waste it. We need to go in the opposite direction and I'd be hard pressed to back a candidate who's whoring for lowering prices while not taking conservation into concern. Or do these people NOT care for their children, huh?
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-04 05:44 PM
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6. I'm with you.
Edited on Tue Apr-20-04 05:48 PM by scarletwoman
I've done my best to keep my mouth shut about Kerry, but I had just been reading more expressions of outrage at the Saudi/oil price-fixing thing, and then chanced to read that portion of the Kerry blog.

It just kind of blew my mind. Why isn't this issue being used as an opportunity to educate the public about long-term strategies for energy independence instead of just calling for some tinkering with the status quo?

sw
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-04 05:30 PM
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3. Strange isn't it.....
The moment Kerry hits Bush about his OPEC statements, this Saudi info is "leaked".

Color me curious....
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atre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-04 05:31 PM
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4. I don't see how Woodward backpeddles.
Can anyone explain that to me?
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-04 05:38 PM
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5. Okay, I'll try to explain.
Edited on Tue Apr-20-04 05:39 PM by scarletwoman
After the 60 Minutes interview, there was buzz all over the place about how shocking it was that the Saudis might be making deals with bush* to lower oil prices close to the election so that bush* would have a strong-looking economy to run on.

There must have been dozens of threads and hundreds of posts generated just at DU alone about this.

The quotes above from Woodward's Larry King interview (by way of Josh Marshall) show Woodward saying basically that "that's not what I meant" -- meaning, the impression that flew out all over after his 60 Minutes interview.

Hope that helps...

sw

(edited for typo)
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