LIHOP/MIHOP Don’t Matter: Bush is still RESPONSIBLE for 9/11

[Octafish]

Specifically, Bush’s incompetence caused 9-11.

That’s the best case scenario the White House can come up with concerning 9-11. And they’re doing their best to keep attention focused elsewhere.

The final analysis: He was informed about the threats and it was his job to do something about it. Why didn’t he?

Remarkably the media and their stars aren't wondering. So, why is everyone giving Smirk a free pass on 9-11? Fred Kaplan of Salon explains why he calls Bob Woodward “Sideshow Bob.” His book Plan of Attack talks about when and where and who and what - - but it’s shy the “why.” http://slate.msn.com/id/2099279/

Woodward’s book, while chilling in its implications of a commander in chief as an incompetent, still fails to ask or answer the question: “Knowing what he did, why didn’t Bush stop 9-11?”

In addition to Woodward’s books, excellent books by Richard Clarke, John Dean and Paul O’Neill, as well as the great histories by Kevin Phillips and Craig Unger demonstrate Bush is not up to his office.

Most devastating of all is the recent public testimony before the 9-11 Commission. It showed live, loud and clear that Bush was told -- by Clinton, Sandy Berger, by Richard Clarke, by George Tenet, by John O'Neill. Yet, Bush did nothing.

This is a story DUers have known for years. It’s not the fault of the CIA, Pentagon or State Department. This country has gone down the wrong road due to the leadership, or mis-leadership, of one man. It’s like Gephardt said: Bush is a miserable failure. Specifically, he's the real, living, national "intelligence failure."

Check out the archived postings of a good lot of DUers. They show why things happened the way they did. They also spell out what the rest of the great American public is figuring out: Bush is an incompetent, at best.

Again: Bush is responsible for 9-11. He knew of the threat, and he didn’t do squat about it.

We should hammer this home. It’s the least we can do.

[Catherine Vincent]

1. After reading Richard Clarke's book, I have decided

against LIHOP or MIHOP but that they just ignored the warnings. It was really depressing for me after I read that book. A lot of the counter terrorism guys that was under Clinton ending up quitting because this administration's only focus was Iraq, Iraq, Iraq.

It's amazing that Bush, Cheney, Condi and the others got any sleep after 9/11. They had to have felt some guilt!

[Kazak]

2. The point is...

they INTENTIONALLY ignored warnings IN ORDER TO GAIN POWER as spelled out by PNAC. That IS LIHOP.

[Octafish]

4. You don't have to convince me. I want to convince Mr. and Ms. America.

It seems a bit difficult to get the average murkan to dump their entire belief system -- TV good, etc -- in order to convince them about LIHOP or MIHOP or whatever. You can cut through the media madness by explaining Bush's incompetence. That way, people are drawn to exploring the bigger picture.

[Octafish]

30. Sorry, pengpong! Misdirected the post...

What I wanted to say was that not all people are sufficiently intelligent to put 2 + 2 together.

Here's one turd who can' t catch a drift, let alone a clue:



And he's the smart one. Sneer's demeanor and Smirk's war make clear the Bush Organized Crime Family benefited from 9-11. I don't want that to continue. The best way to stop them is to get the truth out. First, thing is to get the American people to realize Bush was responsible.

[bobthedrummer]

35. I'm with you, pengpong

I agree with that. And they put neo-cons into key positions in both law-enforcement and intelligence after taking office-remember the flood of "resignations" at the FBI, CIA, and Pentagon among senior management? They were replaced with loyal little Vulcans, were they not?

[seemslikeadream]

36. They ignored the warnings - Now I have miles to go before I sleep again

"There is tranquility in ignorance, but servitude is its partner."



The woods are lovely, dark and deep
But I have promises to keep
And miles to go before I sleep
And miles to go before I sleep


*bobthedrummer
Instrumental in my consciousness

[Octafish]

3. That they show no remorse is evidence of their sociopathy.

Knowing what they did -- and failing to act -- would drive me crazy. They act as if they've done nothing wrong. In more ways than one, it must be a survival mechanism.

In particular, the unelected moron demonstrates signs of madness. This is probably a requisite for working as a member of the Bush Organized Crime Family:

http://www.unknownnews.net/insanity.html

[Stephanie]

5. How does "just ignored the warnings" differ from LIHOP?

They did nothing. They did nothing ON PURPOSE. They KNEW. They DID NOTHING. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>LIHOP

If you've read about PNAC then you know why.

[Octafish]

7. You know that. I know that. DUers know that.

The average American Jane or Joe don't know. It's too much of a stretch for THEIR minds to connect those dots. They've been hearing on the TV and in the newspapers and from the bosses that Bush is doing his best.

What I'm saying, DU Friend Stephanie, is that we can use the facts that are indisputable to our political advantage. Bush is incompetent and his idiocy enabled 9-11. That message can be grasped immediately by the uninitiated. Then they can get into learning about L/MIHOP and all the rest of the criminality of the BFEE going back to 22 November 1963.

[Andy_Stephenson]

6. Black souls

have no guilt...only greed.

[Octafish]

9. They are a satanic lot, that Bush Organized Crime Family.

I bet their house doesn't have any mirrors.



Birds of a feather await Brother Duhbya.

How Satan is propping up Bush's war on terror

An obsession with the devil, born out of personal experience, explains why so many fundamentalist Christians believe that Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden were working together.

By Andrew O'Hehir

Jan. 17, 2004  |  Bill Ellis goes to some lengths to convince you that he's a normal American. The biographical blurb in the back of his new book, "Lucifer Ascending: The Occult in Folklore and Popular Culture," assures readers that he's an "active member of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America" -- perhaps the most mainstream and least controversial religious affiliation one can imagine.

When I first contacted Ellis about an interview, he replied by email that a reporter from another publication had recently insisted on visiting him at home in Hazleton, Pa., to watch him celebrate Halloween and then attend church the following Sunday. "I'm not sure what he expected," Ellis wrote, "but we did not sacrifice any goats on the former date and didn't have anyone slain in the spirit or exorcised of demons on the latter."

CONTINUED ... but one needs the durn subscription

http://www.salon.com/books/feature/2004/01/17/satan/index_np.html

[DenverDem]

8. All these books are Red Herrings.

These books are to frame the limits of inquiry. Bush was just incompetent, but lovable.

The harsh reality is that these actions could not have been executed so spectacularly with out state support and complicity at the highest levels of command and control. That is MIHOP in spades, but it is beyond most citizens ability to conceive of anything so cynically brutal and amoral, they literally "can not handle the truth."

The framers of the limits of inquiry around here will flame away, but it does not shake my disgust at the treason that has infected this potentially great, but currently criminal, country.

[Octafish]

10. I agree with you 100 percent. The books have done their job.

What I'm aiming for is a message that can be heard, understood and remembered by those people who really can't handle the truth. Knowing that the crazy monkey is nuts and incompetent is the start down that path to getting to see the true nature of the beast.

Since DU started in December 2000, we've had a place to document the very real criminality of the Bush Organized Crime Family. Let's use our voices, collectively and individually, to spread the message that Bush is a crook.

From there, we'll bridge it to the next point. Bush is a traitor.

[Beetwasher]

20. Yes, Exactly

Incompetence doesn't actually fit the (circumstantial?) evidence, but it IS their defense, as lame as that is. "We were incompetent, but look over there! Terror!"

[starroute]

24. Today's Xymphora suggests a more complex version of MIHOP

"We have enough information now that we can figure out some of the conspiracy behind 9-11. There were three groups, each with differing amounts of information - the mainstream of the Bush Administration, the Pentagon, and the actual plotters of the attack:

<snip>

"In summary, the Bush Administration thought the attack was coming but thought it would be a normal hijacking. They didn't see any profitable way to stop it, and thought they could use it to make Bush look presidential while giving them an excuse to attack Iraq. They were deceived into their views in part by the Pentagon, who prepared for an airplane attack against buildings while downplaying the risk of it ever happening (and in part by the FBI, who withheld information). NORAD's normal automatic protective actions were subverted. The American plotters of the attack were able to tell the hijackers that they were safe from interception, which they could only do if they had very high connections to the Pentagon and other parts of the American government."

http://xymphora.blogspot.com/2004_04_01_xymphora_archive.html#108261726701813849


This view of the administration as expecting "normal" hijackings and being willing to let those proceed, being caught flat-footed when the actual event turned out to be so much worse than expected, and trying frantically to cover up their complicity ever since has a lot to recommend it.

Xymphora doesn't say who he thinks might have been the actual plotters, except for mentioning Cheney a couple of times as being connected with them. I'm waiting with interest to see if more is forthcoming. Xymphora has always been the most level-headed of the MIHOP faction, and his speculations often have the ring of truth.

[Octafish]

29. Xymphora says some scary stuff!

The unexpected normal-hijacking-gone-awry explanation may be the BFEE's fall-back position, in the event an honest investigation reveals the true extent of corruption in this madministration.

Thanks for turning me on to Xymphora, starroute! I'm seriously liking what X has to write! A sampler:

"Whatever financial connections the Saudis may have to fundamentalist Islamic terrorist groups, and I have no doubt that there are such connections, I know they don't control NORAD or the FBI."

Now what Organized Crime Family do we know who uses both organizations to the benefit of the almighty petrodollar?



The Bush-Saudi Connection

By Michelle Mairesse

EXCERPT...

Jihad

The Wahhabi Taliban in Afghanistan had the blessings of the Saudi royal family and of The Big Three--the bin Laden family, the al Ahmoudi family, and the Mahfouz family--the richest clans in that medieval kingdom. (Khalid bin Mahfouz is bin Laden’s brother-in-law). The desert oligarchs profited from world-wide investments as well as sleazy banking schemes such as the infamous Bank of Credit and Commerce International.

Salem bin Laden, Osama’s brother, has conducted all his American affairs through James Bath, a Houston crony of the Bush family. Bath’s former business partner Bill White testified in court that Bath had been a liaison for the C.I.A. In 1979 Bath invested $50,000 in Arbusto, George W. Bush’s first business venture. Rumor had it that Bath was acting as Salem bin Laden’s representative. "In conflicting statements, Bush at first denied ever knowing Bath, then acknowledged his stake in Arbusto and that he was aware Bath represented Saudi interests." (4)

In addition to doing aviation business with Saudi sheiks, Bath was part owner of a Houston bank whose chief stockholder was Ghaith Pharaon, who represented the Bank of Commerce and Credit International (BCCI), a criminal global bank with branches in 73 countries. BCCI proceeded to defraud depositors of $10 billion during the ‘80s, while providing a money laundry conduit for the Medellin drug cartel, Asia’s major heroin cartel, Manuel Noriega, Saddam Hussein, the C.I.A., and Islamist terrorist organizations worldwide. (5)

Big Three wheeler-dealer Khalid bin Mahfouz, one of the largest stockholders in the criminal bank, was indicted when the massive BCCI banking scandal blew apart in the early 1990s. The Saudi royal family placed him under house arrest after discovering that Mahfouz had used the royal bank to channel millions of dollars through fake charities into bin Laden’s organizations, but Mahfouz was not so much punished as inconvenienced. (6)

CONTINUED...

http://www.hermes-press.com/BushSaud.htm

These are traitors.

[ngGale]

11. The really sad part is that...

they still don't give a tinker's damn.

[Octafish]

12. Their hearts are the same as gangsters' hearts.

The abscence of remorse indicates they have something wrong. The law would say their minds, meaning it could help mitigate circumstances at their sentencing for treason. To me, I'd say they have something wrong with their souls.

Consider though that, in revenge for 9-11, Bush attacked an entire country -- Afhganistan. In the process of going after Osama or whatever, the guy killed thousands of innocent people -- men, women and children -- unnecessarily. (We could have gotten Al Quaeda, the Taliban and Osama with special forces.) Mulitply that by factor of ten in Iraq to get an idea of the kind of mentality Bush operates under.

There's a good bet about where he gets his lack of regard for human life from. George Herbert (Poppy Doc) Walker Bush calls American citizens OFU, for "One Fodder Unit."

[bobbieinok]

18. source for bush I quote?? like it but need documentation

[Octafish]

27. "Delusions" by R Macintosh.

Delusions

by Richard Macintosh
September 22, 2003

"I hate as I hate Hell's own gate, that man who hides one thought within him while he speaks another."
--Homer, (words of Akhilleus), Illiad (1)

Using Akhilleus (Achilles) as a starting point, it is a given that politicians are corrupt, prone to lying, and consequently cannot be trusted. Most Americans sense this, but ignore it out of necessity. To face the truth of their leaders' mendacity would dash their hopes and force them to rely on their own abilities, something they doubt possession of and fear to confirm. People would far more prefer to place their hopes on another "bought and paid for" politician in a futile exercise of "democracy," so-called.

In other words, the electorate votes to "throw out the bums," only to replace them with a new set of bums. The "bums," themselves, have contempt for the populace and have pet acronyms for them, such as "OFU," coined by George H. W. Bush, Sr., which stands for "one fodder unit." (2)

CONTINUED...

http://www.swans.com/library/art9/rmac14.html

Source (2).  OFU = "One Fodder Unit." Attributed to George H. W. Bush Sr., by Al Martin in his article: "The Ambassador Wilson Affair: The End of Karl Rove -- And George Bush?" Published September 2, 2003, http://www.almartinraw.com/  (back)

[opihimoimoi]

13. Its even worse, Bush failed to warn us Americans. of this "Incoming Round"

But, his people were flying in private Jets??? WTF

[Octafish]

26. That's the real question, opihimoimoi.

Knowing that a sworn enemy of the United States was preparing to attack America by hijacking jetliners, why did Bush, other than warn Ashcan and the other big turds of the BFEE, fail to lift a finger? Let's hope someone in the White House press corps gets the nerve to ask it. Tens of thousands of innocent people around the world, and their survivors, have a right to know the answer.

[opihimoimoi]

31. Its gonna be SOP, Denial all the way, followed by distractions and Blame

others.

[Old and In the Way]

14. 14 planes

Bush had a $400BB/year Defense Deptartment and they had only 14 planes for the continental United States on alert 9/11. Why?

The 8/6 PDB mentions "terrorists", "hijackings", "bombs", "New York City", and Washinsgton, DC"....so why no heightened alert?

I'll settle for gross incompetence, but that still means he's responsible for the deaths of 3,000 Americans on 9/11. He did nothing to increase the military's preparedness in light of the clear warnings that hehad.

[DenverDem]

16. Even the 14 planes were STOOD DOWN.

An order was in place that the hijacked airliners NOT BE INTERCEPTED. The man in charge of rescinding that order, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld. He did not rescind.

[Octafish]

22. Payne Stewart's plane fails to respond and the F-16s are there...

... off his wing within MINUTES. And if the aircraft was in danger of crashing into a populated region, the orders were to shoot it down -- Standard Operating Procedure.

The jet that hit the Pentagon flew for almost an HOUR after the first jet hit the WTC. Who ordered the Stand Down from the SOP?

Gee. Why are so many of the 9-11 Commission's hearings in closed-to-the-public sessions?

Gee. Why is Bush so "keane" on holding hands with Cheney when he meets with them?

Gee. Why won't Bush take an oath to tell the truth?

Many DUers have a pretty darn good idea why. The trick is getting the rest of America to understand why. Once we do, the whole kit-n-kaboodle of these crooks is going to prison -- the lucky ones, that is.

[seemslikeadream]

23. Maybe there was one that got the call

Eyewitness Confirms Shootdown of Flight 93 on Stern today


Howard Stern Show | April 21 2004

A caller to the Howard Stern Show related the story of how he saw Flight 93 in flames while it was in the air and two other aircraft circling it.

listen here
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2004/042104flight93.htm

Red_Viking (468 posts) Wed Apr-21-04 01:12 PM
Response to Reply #1

11. The pilots are "unavailable"


No joke--all the pilots scrambled on 9/11 were sequestered and no one has spoken to them. Wouldn't they be the best ones to answer these questions?

This came out during the 9/11 Commission questioning of NORAD officials. They said the pilots were unavailable for questioning. I said, "huh?"

Also, foreign news sources did a lot of reporting on the condition of the crash site. Very peculiar. Wreckage was scattered up to 8 miles away. Not consistent with a plane hitting the ground, where wreckage would be fairly linear. This stuff was blown all the heck over the place, kinda like the plane was blown out of the sky.

Makes me say hmmmmmm.

By the way, it is legal for them to do this. I'm not sure why no one will admit the plane was ordered shot down. The plane was hijacked. I suppose it's because the shock would be too much.

Must_B_Free
16. It was on the Johnstown PA TV news


early that day till it got scrubbed. They aired footage of an interview with a farmer that corroberates this account. He said "I saw the big plane and them other little planes by it"


Bjornsdotter (19 posts) Wed Apr-21-04 12:48 PM
Response to Original message

5. Too True!


Hi,

Two days after Flight 93 was shot down, I received a call from a business aquaintance...he told me he saw it shot down. He has since left the country.

Later in the week I spoke with a air traffic controller at O'Hare...he told me "No Comment" when I asked if the plane was shot down.

I do believe it was shot down...for those of you who don't....ask yourself one question; Why has there NEVER been a photo published showing the crash site?

Cheers,
Kim

LisaM (1000+ posts) Wed Apr-21-04 02:57 PM
Response to Original message

13. Strange. Interesting.

Edited on Wed Apr-21-04 03:26 PM by LisaM
Just last night, I accidentally listened to KVI (local hate radio station) for several minutes and the played a transcript of the ATC talking to Flight 93 (it was edited so that it played through in four minutes, so either some parts were classified, or they just edited out the dead air.) Anyway, there was a part right near the end where an air traffic controller confirmed from a pilot on another flight that there was smoke on it, and it also appeared that other flights were trying to keep it in their sights.

No2W2004 (122 posts) Wed Apr-21-04 03:07 PM
Response to Reply #13

14. Right


Brave Americans fighting their captors is much better for propaganda than Air Force shoots down commercial airliner.

I still remember hearing on 9/11 witnesses saying the plane was shot down, then, in the following days, they all stopped talking and the heroic version took root.

Has anyone ever explained why one engine of flight 93 was found miles away from the crash site?

rhino47 (292 posts) Thu Apr-22-04 01:27 AM
Response to Original message

24. I live in western Pa


I saw that flight that day.I know that it was flight 93.My nephew is an air traffic controller out of youngstown ohio.On 9/11 when I heard that the skies where cleared and I saw that jet I was rather frightened being where as it started towards cleveland and came back around southeast.I did see two planes shortly there after.I called my nephew but the lines where all done.I got the all circuits are busy.I did manage to get a hold of him later on that day about 6 pm .He said that flight had went down near pittsburg.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1449593




Here's an aerial view of the whole strip mine where Flight 93 crashed.

Here's the deal: after following the links below, the real crash
location of Flight 93 is a couple hundred yards away from Skyline Road
near Lambertsville and Shanksville. I had to find it by finding
Lambertsville, PA on the map, then go south. Lambertsville Road in the
photo is on the far left. Then Skyline Road forks down in a southeast
direction in the mine area. Now somewhere in that area, you'd mark an X
to mark the crash site. Keep in mind this photo is 2 levels out: more
detail could be retrieved, BUT bear in mind this photo has to be OLD
because it's in black and white. So it's before the crash happened,
see.

The deal with the mine itself is: a company called Svonavec owns the
area where the mine is, and they LEASE it to both Rollock Inc. and PBS
Coals Inc.

Religious folks are heavily leaning on that LAMBertsville name, meaning
the Lord did it to prove this and that, something or other...

Does that help? Sheesh! Just try to find an overhead satellite photo
of the Flight 93 crash, and it's like pulling TEETH! But now you got
the photo, Kent. I'm done for tonight... Happy Thanksgiving!

http://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/warrant25.htm



Seismographs of the sonic boom, recorded at approximately 9:22 AM local time on 9/11

The presence of this particular sonic boom at 9:22 A.M. refutes the story we have been told of the military's response to 9/11.

The North American Aerospace Defense Command, or NORAD, issued a press release one week after the attacks. The timeline told of Air National Guard fighter jets taking off from bases in Massachusetts and Virginia at 8:46 A.M. and 9:30 A.M., respectively. The first jets, two F-15's from Otis Air National Guard Base, responded to an 8:40 A.M. scramble order and screamed towards New York City six minutes later. The second group, F-16's from Langley AFB, responded to a 9:24 A.M. order and again were en route to their target in six minutes, this time pointing towards Washington D.C. and the threatened Pentagon.

The problem with this story is that neither group of fighters could have made the sonic boom recorded in Pennsylvania by 9:22.

The F-16's from Langley hadn't even been told to get into the air yet, so they're out. The F-15's from Otis reached New York at 9:06, 3 minutes too late to stop the second World Trade Center impact, having averaged a speed of around 800 miles per hour to get there. They could have covered the 207 miles from NYC to the seismic station in Pennsylvania in a mere 15 minutes at that speed. But this would have required them to leave New York City undefended at 9:07, merely one minute after arriving.

It would also have required a sixth sense, since the FAA didn't even warn NORAD that Flight 93 was considered a possible threat until 9:16.

While we don't know where the jet that created the sonic boom came from, we can safely assume that any aircraft moving supersonically over the continental U.S. by 9:22 on September 11th was part of our own military. And not knowing the fighter's home base does little to change the fact that it would have been in excellent position to intercept Flight 93 well before it crashed at 10:06.

Major General Paul A. Weaver Jr., Director of the Air National Guard, has told reporters that National Guard aircraft "weren't even close" to the fourth hijacked airliner. Thanks to the seismic record, we can now suggest there was little gold in his remarks.

Tracking aircraft in flight with seismic networks is not a new idea. NASA has looked at ground-recorded sonic boom signatures of aircraft like the F-18 and the SR-71; scientists at the California Institute of Technology have examined data from existing networks for events like the landing of the space shuttle Discovery.

Seismic networks have also been used to determine the time of aircraft crashes; indeed, when the United States Army wanted to know with greater accuracy exactly when Flight 77 struck the Pentagon on 9/11, they turned to seismologists at the Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory at Columbia University, and the Maryland Geological Survey. Won-Young Kim and Gerald R. Baum were unable to definitively set the impact time of the Pentagon crash, but they were able to determine the time of Flight 93's impact to within 5 seconds (10:06:05 ±5, EDT).

In the days and weeks following the crash, rumors circulated of a shoot-down, the scenario being that the military brought the airliner down before it could reach a more populated area. It should be said that just because we now know a fighter was close enough to do the grim job, it doesn't necessarily follow that the job was done: there is still no direct proof that the unknown fighter chose to fire upon Flight 93.

The question, however, remains:

Why would NORAD misrepresent where their fighters were if they didn't shoot it down?

http://www.flight93crash.com/flight93_seismic_event.htm

Catching the FBI in a Big Fat Lie



The Pennsylvania Department of Environmental Protection released this photo a few days later

The pattern of impact is consistent with an aircraft with significant lateral movement,
a "fan" pattern where debris is blown in the direction the aircraft was headed.
Debris found two and eight miles from the crash was explained by this "splatter" effect, bolstered by
winds reported in the area at the time. The effect of the wind can be seen in the burned trees as well.



The grass in this farmer's field is similar to that replanted in stripmine reclamation projects.
Windspeed at the time of this accident was recorded as 15 knots. As you can see, fire from the
wreckage was spread through the grass by the wind. You can clearly determine the direction
of the wind by the way the fire spread. Just like the FBI and PDEP photos.

Except....




This showed two important things. First, that the impact indeed occured on the border between
flammable grassland and equally flammable forest.

Second, and much more importantly, it showed me which way was north.
Something the other photos oddly enough didn't bother to indicate.

http://www.bartcop.com/flight93.htm

[Octafish]

25. Incredible.

Remarkable post, seemslikeadream! This part of the story is new to me. I truly appreciate learning about it.

Like most DUers, many times I’ve relived the agony of that terrible day. Most of all that stands in my mind and shrinks my heart is the knowledge of the horror endured by the people who lost their lives that day, followed by the pain felt by the loved ones who remain.

And that’s why I want to see the Bush Organized Crime Family busted and put behind bars, once and for all. So. USAF won’t allow pilots to talk about that day? Under whose orders would that fall under? Karl Rove? Sneering Dick Cheney?

A few observations from SLAD’s post:



1. The pilots are "unavailable"

No joke--all the pilots scrambled on 9/11 were sequestered and no one has spoken to them. Wouldn't they be the best ones to answer these questions?
This came out during the 9/11 Commission questioning of NORAD officials. They said the pilots were unavailable for questioning. I said, "huh?"
Also, foreign news sources did a lot of reporting on the condition of the crash site. Very peculiar. Wreckage was scattered up to 8 miles away. Not consistent with a plane hitting the ground, where wreckage would be fairly linear. This stuff was blown all the heck over the place, kinda like the plane was blown out of the sky.
Makes me say hmmmmmm.

EXCERPT…

Brave Americans fighting their captors is much better for propaganda than Air Force shoots down commercial airliner.

EXCERPT…

Has anyone ever explained why one engine of flight 93 was found miles away from the crash site?

Has anyone ever explained why one engine of flight 93 was found miles away from the crash site?

EXCERPT…

While we don't know where the jet that created the sonic boom came from, we can safely assume that any aircraft moving supersonically over the continental U.S. by 9:22 on September 11th was part of our own military. And not knowing the fighter's home base does little to change the fact that it would have been in excellent position to intercept Flight 93 well before it crashed at 10:06.

THE SOURCE: seemslikeadream’s post…




Spread the Truth loud and clear.

[seemslikeadream]

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*

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Zappa warned that Beefheart's English followers would be shocked by the new double set, but despite the changes in line-up / record company / producer there aren't that many shocks. The basic progress this has made over his last record is that it has clarified Beefheart's musical position (and not just by printing out the lyrics). It's an album that he and Zappa are pleased with. The Captain now knows where he's at. The progress made may mean rougher vocals and more crashing, raping instrumental work, but the roughness is tempered by beautiful, stoned, surrealistic lyrics; groups of hallucinatory alliteration and repetition. Similarly, the crazy patterns weaved on guitar hold together - somehow - the cross rhythmic sax playing. This is the major shock of the album - the extended use of sax - with Beefheart dropping mouth harp and strich for soprano and tenor. This makes the Magic Band nearer to the Mothers than before, and strains of Coltrane, Taylor and Ayler are heard again.





http://www.beefheart.com/party.htm

[Octafish]

34. Thanks, seemslikeadream! I needed that...

I love that album. Capt. Beefheart and his Magic Band made music out of, virtually, nothing. Certainly, it's weird. But it IS music.

And the photos! See that fellah under the bridge? I've always been partial to those sunglasses.

The lyrics are amazing, as well. Here's my favorite from that album:

Veteran's Day Poppy

I cry but I can't buy
Your Veteran's Day poppy
It don't get me high
It can only make me cry
It can never grow another
Son like the one who warmed me my days
After rain and warmed my breath
My life's blood
Screamin' empty she crys
It don't get me high
It can only make me cry
Your Veteran's Day poppy.

-- Capt. Beefheart

Regarding what it means in the big picture: DUers are making something out of virtual reality -- a road map to beating the Bush Organized Crime Syndicate.



To beat an Octopus, it takes an Octafish and dreamers, too,
and everybody working together as a team.

The Bundle of Sticks

AN OLD man on the point of death summoned his sons around him to give them some parting advice. He ordered his servants to bring in a bundle of sticks, and said to his eldest son: “Break it.” The son strained and strained, but with all his efforts was unable to break the Bundle. The other sons also tried, but none of them was successful. “Untie the bundle,” said the father, “and each of you take a stick.” When they had done so, he called out to them: “Now, break,” and each stick was easily broken. “You see my meaning,” said their father.

“UNION GIVES STRENGTH.”

[symbolman]

15. Feel free to pass

my link to my flash around below..

"Bush Knew - an American Requiem"

[Octafish]

17. You got it, symbolman!

I tell people I saw you on TV, too.

Hey! It's neet knowing somebody famous who deserves to be.



The Little Turd from Crawford,
Famous Crook and War Criminal.



Symbolman of DU,
Freedom Fighter.

[symbolman]

28. Thanks

I have new glasses now :)

[Beetwasher]

19. It's the Incompetence, Stupid!

Indeed.

[Octafish]

21. It's got a nice ring to it, Beetwasher!

I warn't a incompoop.
I's a traitor.
Ask any DUer.

[Stephanie]

33. It's the Stupidity, Stupid.

Maybe we've learned it doesn't pay to have a STUPID guy in the WH?