CIA, Mossad Infiltrated Muslim Organizations: Expert

[RBHam]

By Kazi Mahmood, IOL Southeast Asia correspondent

KUALA LUMPUR, April 21 (Islamonline.net) - The U.S. Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and the Israeli intelligence - Mossad - have infiltrated Muslim organizations like Hamas in Palestine, Hizbullah in Lebanon and the Jemaah Islamiyah (JI) in Indonesia, says an Indonesian intelligence expert.

"It is clear that the CIA and the Mossad have infiltrated such organizations and have done much more than that," Sayed Abdullah, who operates an intelligence services firm in the Indonesian island of Maluku’s, told IslamOnline.net.

more...

http://www.islam-online.net/English/News/2004-04/21/article06.shtml

[Jim Sagle]

1. Yeah, I always go to Islam Online for the straight scoop...so to speak.

:kick: Plop plop plop!!!!!!!!

[Bombtrack]

2. Wow, this is about as surprising a news story as sun in San Diego

It's the CIA and Mossad's job to spy on terrorists. And while not all muslims are terrorists, all the terrorists who pose a real threat to us and Israel seem to be muslims.

Those poor religious freaks being monitered by the authorities.

[gandalf]

5. No, it is surprising

because it is difficult then to explain suicide attacks in Israel.

[Bombtrack]

9. Yeah "Gandalf". Cause law enforcement always prevents all enemies

from committing crimes. Just try and think about that little theory a bit longer.

[gandalf]

15. What kind of argument is this???

Please argue precisely. We are not discussing "all enemies". We are discussing a specific enemy, a specific organization called Hamas, responsible for many suicide attacks.

If we assume that this organization is infiltrated (and that is certainly not the case for "all enemies"), then the questions arises why this organization can still effectively accomplish attacks.

Is it so proficient? Operating with independent cells, so that informants know only the plans of one cell?

[Bombtrack]

19. Just because they have some spys on the inside doesn't mean

that they can't still strap a bomb to some nut and blow up some Israeli's

Hamas isn't some mom and pop hate group. It's thousands and thousands of muslims spread out over a wide area. And being that they are terrorists, there isn't too much transparency both externally and internally coming out about there actions.

[gandalf]

20. But do "thousands and thousands" operate the bombing business?

You are making assumptions now about the internal structure of Hamas. (Naturally I did that too). I suppose we can only speculate how an organization like Hamas operate internally.

However, I assume that it is not that trivial to place a bomb in Jerusalem, so it would mean some preparation -- which would be vulnerable to detection.

[gandalf]

3. But why then so many suicide attacks in Israel

If the organizations who commit them are infiltrated? Are the CIA informants on the lowest level and don't know of upcoming attacks -- or don't they want to stop such attacks?

[notadmblnd]

8. They don't want to stop them

I mean if there were no suicide attacks, how would Israel and US justify their war on terra?

[9215]

10. Yep, to the last question.

"they don't want to stop such attacks".

The CIA trained Arafat,Sadat, Nasser back in the 50's. The Fedayeen are a CIA creation trained by WWII German Nazi Otto "Scarface" Skorzeny.

Two books on this:

Lee's "The Beast Re-awakens" and Simpson's "Splendid Blonde Beast".

[gandalf]

16. Thanks for the book information. nt

[Minstrel Boy]

17. And then there's this from UPI: "Hamas history tied to Israel"

Israel and Hamas may currently be locked in deadly combat, but, according to several current and former U.S. intelligence officials, beginning in the late 1970s, Tel Aviv gave direct and indirect financial aid to Hamas over a period of years.

Israel "aided Hamas directly -- the Israelis wanted to use it as a counterbalance to the PLO (Palestinian Liberation Organization)," said Tony Cordesman, Middle East analyst for the Center for Strategic Studies.

Israel's support for Hamas "was a direct attempt to divide and dilute support for a strong, secular PLO by using a competing religious alternative," said a former senior CIA official.

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Israel was certainly funding the group at that time. One U.S. intelligence source who asked not to be named said that not only was Hamas being funded as a "counterweight" to the PLO, Israeli aid had another purpose: "To help identify and channel towards Israeli agents Hamas members who were dangerous terrorists."

http://www.upi.com/print.cfm?StoryID=18062002-051845-8272r

[gandalf]

18. That's interesting

But already in the 1970s there was the same game as today: Attack vs. Israel --> Israel invades/bombs refugee camp --> Attack vs. Israel ... and so on.

Was Hamas not violent at that time?

[RafterMan]

21. Hamas was pretty much created by Israel

That's not tinfoil hat stuff, it's fairly universally accepted.

It was designed to be an Islamic counterweight to the PLO. But that doesn't mean that the Mossad is behind the suicide bombings any more than the fact that the CIA funded Afghan jihadis means that the CIA was behind 9/11.

[9215]

24. Kulturcampf on steroids! Great input Mintrel boy

:thumbsup:

Someday we will get to the bottom of all of this shit. I just hope it isn't too late!

[Toronto Ron]

22. The vast majority of attack attempts are stopped

Over 90% are stopped, and the rate of "success" for the attacks is decreasing, due to incursions by the IDF, assassinations & arrests of leaders, and the wall/fence.

[RafterMan]

4. Well, I certainly hope so...

...isn't that their job?

[gandalf]

6. And: "Bali bombing in 2002 financed and assisted by CIA/Mossad"

He argued that the Bali bombing in 2002 was "an operation clearly financed and assisted by the CIA and Mossad, made use of Muslims to carry out the final act.

"Those Muslims were not innocent since they took the bait handed over by the CIA and the Mossad to bomb Bali and to avenge against the U.S. war on the Muslims in Afghanistan."

The Indonesian expert argued said that "to achieve this, the CIA used one of its operatives, Omar Al-Faruq, an Arab living in the U.S. who speaks Arabic and knows a little about Islam and who was sent to Indonesia to infiltrate the so called terrorist groups.

He said that Al-Faruq initially infiltrated the Laskar Jihad, a group of Muslim volunteers fighting for the safeguard of the Maluku’s during the conflict of the Island.

When the Laskar was winded down by its leader, Al-Faruq was sent to join the Mujahideen Council of Indonesia (MMI), created and headed by jailed Indonesian Islamic leader Abu Bakar Basyir, added Sayed Abdullah.

[DoYouEverWonder]

7. Got a link for that?

Thanks.

I also remember a story about a fellow in the Philippines who blew himself up preparing for a terrorist attack. Turned out, he was an American and either the FBI or CIA came and got him out of the hospital and disappeared him?

IMHO, I think the whole world would be a lot safer and more peaceful, if we got rid of all these so called 'intelligence' agencies.

[gandalf]

13. That is from the link in the original post

Sorry I forgot to mention that.

(http://www.islam-online.net/English/News/2004-04/21/article06.shtml)

[Minstrel Boy]

14. "The Michael Meiring Mystery" - must read

In the Spring of 2002, American national Michael Meiring, a self-described "fortune hunter," was seriously wounded in his Philippine hotel room on the island of Mindanao, when his explosives prematurely exploded. The FBI whisked him out of his hotel room and back to the US before the matter could be investigated. Meiring is suspected of being CIA, and had boasted of it himself, but said it stood for "Christ in Action."

Part One: "Affront to Philippine sovereignty"
http://www.mindanews.com/2003/05/30nws-meiring01.html

Part Two: "The Second Coming"
http://www.mindanews.com/2003/05/31nws-meiring02.html

Part Three: "The extradition that never was"
http://www.mindanews.com/2003/06/01nws-meiring03.html

What was Meiring doing, blowing himself up on Mindanao?

Do you recall the Manilla mutiny of last summer? Junior officers accused Philippine military brass and the Arroyo government of conspiring with the United States in something called "Operation Greenbase", which involved staging recent bombings on the island of Mindanao in order to justify an increased US presence in the country.

Naomi Klein helps tie it together:

Among the soldiers' claims: that senior military officials, in collusion with the Arroyo regime, carried out last March's bombing of the airport of the southern city of Davao, as well as several other attacks. Thirty-eight people were killed in the bombings. The leader of the mutiny, Lieut. Antonio Trillanes, claims to have "hundreds" of witnesses who can testify to the plot.

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Besides, the soldiers were not the first to accuse the Philippine government of bombing its own people. Days before the mutiny, a coalition of church groups, lawyers and NGOs launched a "fact-finding mission" to investigate persistent rumors that the state was involved in the Davao explosions. It is also investigating the possible involvement of US intelligence agencies.

These suspicions stem from a bizarre incident on May 16, 2002, in Davao. Michael Meiring, a US citizen, allegedly detonated explosives in his hotel room, injuring himself badly. While recovering in the hospital, Meiring was whisked away by two men, who witnesses say identified themselves as FBI agents, and flown to the United States. Local officials have demanded that Meiring return to face charges, to little effect. BusinessWorld, a leading Philippine newspaper, has published articles openly accusing Meiring of being a CIA agent involved in covert operations "to justify the stationing of American troops and bases in Mindanao."

Yet the Meiring affair has never been reported in the US press. And the mutinous soldiers' amazing allegations were no more than a one-day story. Maybe it just seemed too outlandish: an out-of-control government fanning the flames of terrorism to pump up its military budget, hold on to power and violate civil liberties.

Why would Americans be interested in something like that?

http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20030901&s=klein

[9215]

11. Money for the Bali bombing was traced to Saudis

This was found as part of an Aussie investigation.

[9215]

12. Very important topic here. Nice work RBHam.

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[theboss]

23. If true, it's about bloody time

Maybe they finally hired someone who spoke Arabic.

[9215]

25. Kick

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