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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 09:00 AM
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Will America actually vote against their leader in the middle of a war ?
Has it ever happened? I'm not sure about the history of such an event? However, I'm also not sure that we have ever had such an incompetent person in charge during such a critical period. Will the voters be too scared to change course in the middle of a war?

For sure, the Bush regime is betting that the war will give them 4 more years to finish destroying our country, our economy, and our military. They have successfully written all the laws and rules to be on their side and they have the money to run their propaganda 24 hours a day if need be. Voters will not be esily swayed to turn away.

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LynzM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 09:03 AM
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1. I don't know, but I hope
I cannot know that they will, but I can hope and work towards and fight for it! Talk to everyone you know, and share the reasons why they need to vote for Kerry. If every person you convince convinces one other person.... :D
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Branjor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 09:05 AM
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5. They might.....
If they think Bush has really blown it (and he has). Spain voted against Aznar in the middle of a war.
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cornfedyank Donating Member (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 09:36 AM
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20. * will say don't wimp out like the sissy spaniards.
remember we are not talking about the informed voters. we are talking about sheeple.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 09:04 AM
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2. Why do you think Johnson chose not to run again in 1968?
Edited on Thu Apr-22-04 09:14 AM by NNN0LHI
Hint. It wasn't because he thought he was going to win.

Don

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cornfedyank Donating Member (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 09:42 AM
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24. the mass media was a lot more informative.
there were many more pictures on the nightly news.
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freetobegay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 09:04 AM
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3. I will!
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Kazak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 09:05 AM
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4. What leader?
I guess they won't be able to since Gore won't be on the ticket. :eyes:
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MAlibdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 09:06 AM
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6. British did it
in 1944 (5?) to get rid of Churchill.
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DenverDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 09:06 AM
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7. It's not a war, it's a burglary.
Theft of resources and real estate by a criminal organization.

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billybob537 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 09:07 AM
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8. I will
And if enough like me will then Kerry will win. Americans have to decide if Bush's made up war is a plus or a minus. I think war for profit is wrong. IMHO 700 dead Americans is not the cakewalk we were promised. No other president ever tried to cut taxes during a war.:wtf:
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Christ was Socialist Donating Member (649 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 09:08 AM
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9. no
Because for some reason those in support of bush will rally, as right wingers usually do, and many people that are technically opposed to it wont vote, because they are everything from cynical to vote-protestors. if you have ever listened to geroge carlin you will know what i mean. Only 100 million people voted last time around out of a possible 190-200 million. Most liberal people aren't extreme and don't vote, while those on the right who aren't neccesarily political, listen to rush and fox, and get riled by the typical tax + religion platform of the gop. So most likely most pro war/pro apocoplypse christians will feel the rapture coming in thier dream world, and get to the polls.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 09:08 AM
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10. depends how the world is looking at it
if they are looking at war from the inside of it, they will vote bush cause they are too afraid. if they detach from the war and look at whole what is being created by this war, they will shift in htought and see why not to vote bush. this is why buscho continually says war, war president. he knows.
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malatesta1137 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 09:11 AM
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11. Good luck.
50% of Americans are too dumb to realize that Bush's only intent is to plunge the world into an endless holocaust. Too bad the other 50% are too weak to do anything.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 09:12 AM
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12. delete
Edited on Thu Apr-22-04 09:14 AM by kentuck
wrong post ...;)
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checks-n-balances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 09:16 AM
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13. Somebody needs to point out that this was a PREEMPTIVE, OPTIONAL WAR
so it's an unprecedented situation in this country. The conventional "wisdom" of not switching administrations in the middle of a war doesn't apply here.

Besides, we know that this administration intends to have this country in a perpetual state of war. In addition, we've been told it's wrong to "criticize the president in wartime." What a convenient set-up: we'll always be in a war, so protests will always be "inappropriate"!
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 09:18 AM
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14. when our leader instigated war. . .
based on false premises. . .lied about the cost and duration. . . launched the only "pre-emptive" attack on a sovereign nation in U.S history. . .installed a much reviled puppet council of exiles. . .has no exit strategy. . .inspired unprecedanted global anti-American sentiment

The only way he can't be ousted for his misleadership is if most of the nation is sufferring acutely from Stockholm syndrome (i.e the tendency to be lulled into a false sense of security by one's captor). I really think that explains the seemingly unflappable blind devotion to * by half of the populous since 9/11. Despite all the deceit and incompetence, Stockholm syndrome is the only possible explanation that I can fathom which explains *'s continued popularity. Unless of course the polls are being totally manipulated.

Oh yeah. . .then there are those damned voting machines. . .
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 09:19 AM
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15. Sure...
If that war is based on lies and deception, and undertaken only for the benefit of a few...
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yelladawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 09:24 AM
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16. What leader
Surely you don't mean bush.
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 09:36 AM
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21. No. Bush is exactly what he claimed to be in 1989...
A description attributed to Bush himself in 1989 seems apt. The Houston Chronicle reported Bush telling a friend: "You know, I could run for governor, but I'm basically a media creation. I've never done anything. I've worked for my dad. I worked in the oil business ..."
http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0316-02.htm

But to get him and his cronies out of power (and hopefully behind bars), he needs to be portrayed as a "leader" (sic) who lied and deceived the American people for the benefit of his buddies in the oil and corporate world...

In short, the truth needs to be told: loudly and often...
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 09:39 AM
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23. Wow! That's a keeper !
A description attributed to Bush himself in 1989 seems apt. The Houston Chronicle reported Bush telling a friend: "You know, I could run for governor, but I'm basically a media creation. I've never done anything. I've worked for my dad. I worked in the oil business ..."
http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0316-02.htm

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cornfedyank Donating Member (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 09:29 AM
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17. somebody e-mail osama
last week it was reported that * had cut back on tv ads. worry me this. say there is this an attack before the election. the ad campaign i see coming, plus the "you can't do that to us" wave that will spred maybe big trouble for JK.

tell them terrorists not to fuel a patriotic hard-on, so that we can have a chance to fix our system with a fair, informed election.
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Egalitarian Donating Member (379 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 09:29 AM
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18. You betcha we will (nt)
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hedda_foil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 09:32 AM
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19. Eisenhower beat Truman on promise to stop the Korean War.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 09:38 AM
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22. Eisenhower beat Adlai Stevenson
not Truman.
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1gobluedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 10:14 AM
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25. Isn't the war over?
Didn't * declare the war over last May in that ridiculous photo-op? I think he did. So, he would actually have to declare war again in order to run "during the war."
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Gin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 10:21 AM
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26. what leader? The inmates are running the asylum....I'm voting for
sanity to be restored...and these rethuglican lunatics to be removed.
You can take that to the bank!
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