John Dean hints that Bush is on Prozac?

[RamboLiberal]

I'm reading his "Worse than Watergate" along with about a dozen other Bush bashing or 9-11 related books. In chapter 2 last night I had a big Whoa! It's a chapter detailing how Bushie has been a big failure all his life, how daddy's friends bail him out, and how the media never takes Bush to task to detail if he did drugs, was an alcholic, served out his duty, etc.

Forgive me, I'm at work and don't have the book on me. But Dean says basically if D.C. rumors are correct that Prozac is to Bush as Dilatin was to Nixon.

I know we all speculate Bush is still drinking, is drugged etc., but WOW, wonder what is common knowledge in D.C. that is not being covered by our brown-nosing, scared of the Shrub and his cabal, press.

[demnan]

1. I don't think Prozac is the problem if he is

In fact I think a lot of people would be better off on Prozac.

[Poiuyt]

11. Prozac can cause suicidal tendencies

Gives new meaning to his quote, "We'll all be dead."

[Guaranteed]

21. It would explain his giggly behavior while talking about our soldiers

dying. Prozac can cause mania in people.

The LAST drug I would want our president on is Prozac. It's way too powerful, sends people flying.

[ArkDem]

31. I've been taking an ssri for years. They restore the chemical

balance in the brain by increasing the available supply of serotonin, a substance in the brain believed to influence mood. I've never felt 'high' for a minute. Bash Bush all you want but there are millions of people who have there lives inhanced by these drugs and you obviously don't know much about them.

[truthspeaker]

32. what he said

They don't make you high, but they do make some people manic.

[Screaming Lord Byron]

35. I felt myself having little manic moments from some of them.

I was only on for six months though, a massive waste of time.

[Elbowroom]

2. bush acts alot like my father....

who drank heavily from age 16 to age 45. He can't function now without his prozac and he has the mentality of an 18 year old. His doctor says this often happens to those who drink their whole lives. They never mature mentaly.

[Gin]

29. drinking is the end result of the immaturity..not the cause....some

dry drunks are the same immature people...only sober. Hmmmmmm sounds like shrub.

[Gman]

3. Jack Daniels is the problem here

not Prozac... but he really shouldn't be mixing the two.

[Eurobabe]

14. yeah look what happened to Henri Paul!

watched the Diana thing last night on 48 hrs., they said he crashed car because he had high levels of Prozac (and other things in blood) and alcohol, made him unstable.

HELLO....

[livetohike]

4. Does that explain his inappropriate

smiling and laughing when discussing the war in Iraq?

[Elbowroom]

5. no no...

...that is the "evil" that is making him laugh, not prozac.

[hedda_foil]

6. He also speaks of "rumors" that * is drinking.

It's part of the same chapter.

[dennis4868]

7. "Bush bashing or 9-11 related books"

I would not label these books as "Bush bashing." These books provide for us the facts about this WH that we cannot get anywhere else (i.e., Cable TV news). There are many books like these because the media ignores Bush's crimes and lies so people like John Dean and Eric Alterman and others who cannot get on TV because they know the facts about Bush and it is not pretty, are forced to write books to get their voices heard.

[RamboLiberal]

16. Bush Bashing - bad wording on my part - we know they are

telling the truth about this misadministration.

I would have no problem with the guy taking Prozac - the problem is they're not upfront about it. And I wouldn't even have a problem if he drank a beer, wine or a hard drink - as long as he's not going on drunken binges - which is what I suspect and a lot of us here suspect is what he is doing in Crawford and at Camp David.

But admitting he takes Prozac would hurt his macho "Gary Cooper" Lonestar cowboy image with the flag-waving, God-fearing, gun-toting, kool-aid drinkers.

[BlueEyedSon]

8. He's on something, or he's suffering from effects of alcohol or both:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1442857

[blm]

9. Notice how Bush has an odd tic that makes his mouth and jaw quiver?

Ever see a coke addict's jaw and mouth clench and quiver the same way?

[seabeyond]

10. and why not. he was killing frogs for fun

as a kid.

he self medicated with drugs and alcohol

[sniffa]

12. he is on viagra though

did he mention that in the book?

[loftycity]

13. Prozac is a big problem with people--it's not a wonder drug

it cuts into attention and thought. Why do you think we have sound bites and infantile media stories? Prozac dumbs downs the entire population. It's great mind control. People are depressed,a crude drug like Prozac might seem to help. Really, it just masks societies huge and horrible problems. It's thrown on the individual and they are told about personal responsibility..what a load of crap that is. And who knows what Bush is swallowing...

[Skittles]

15. anti-depressants are handed out like candy

it should be only for serious depression. People who are just having a hard time need to learn the skills to deal with it.

[UTUSN]

17. What Would Be ONE Reason This Shouldn't Be a Ca,mpaign Issue?

Wingnuts appear to think that Teresa KERRY's income taxes are something affecting the national security or something. It would seem that the public NEEDS TO KNOW what drugs the pResident is using, while "making decisions" and having the "football" two steps behind him.

[loftycity]

24. The football two steps behind him-that's a great one- bumpersticker!

[loftycity]

20. So true, I know Psychiatrists that have quit because of the

over prescribing of anti-depressants and drug companies pushing them to do so. They have said these drugs are just too crude to be given at every encounter of sadness.
And depression is misdiagnosed so many times it could be sadness or despair. There is a big difference. And we have labeled all bad feelings we don't like under depression.

[Skittles]

34. they hand them out to someone having a hard time dealing with a breakup

these people should talk out their feelings with a psychologist, not be medicated. And now people are having their children medicated? It is obscene.

[truthspeaker]

18. short attention spans were around long before Prozac

I agree SSRI antidepressants are overprescribed, but for many of us they are a huge help and the side effects are manageable.

Of course, my doctor has some crazy idea it would work even better if I didn't smoke pot. Quack.

[loftycity]

22. Indeed a Quack--No lack of big and wondrous thoughts from you! Yeah!

Mother Earth has given us the best anti-depressant! Someday I hope we all figure that out.

[truthspeaker]

28. I was being sarcastic

I'm pretty sure I would have fewer depression problems if I smoked less weed, and since both weed and Paxil mess with serotonin it would make sense to cut down. But what fun would that be?

[shrike]

39. For those of us with chronic depression, it's a lifesaver

That said, I think it is way over-prescribed. It is a psychotropic drug and should not be taken lightly. For a while there, prozac was even prescribed for weight loss (!)
I've been on prozac for nine years and only experienced problems when my idiot psychiatrist (I don't see him anymore) decided to up my dosage drastically. I'm on a low dose now (20 milligrams) and do very well. As for it disrupting thought and attention span, I've experienced just the opposite. I perform better, work harder than I did without the drug. Then again, if you're battling back depression you can't think, concentrate, etc.

My mother's side of the family has a history of alcoholism and drug addiction, as well as those with multiple addictions. I believe prozac has helped me escape those fates.

[grasswire]

19. about the odd tic

...that makes Bush's mouth quaver like that of an old man.

Yes.

What is that? It happens after he has made a statement and is waiting for the reaction. His jaw and mouth move on their own, quavering or trembling. He usually makes a conscious effort to stop it from happening.

But what is that about? It has to be alcohol related or due to mental impairment, doesn't it?

Any docs here?

[loftycity]

23. Liar Nerves..and complete Stage fright.

[Oilwellian]

27. He has a facial tic probably caused by stress

Here's a good explanation:

Tic - facial; Mimic spasm
Definition Return to top

A facial tic is a repetitive, spasmodic movement often involving the eyes and facial muscles.
Causes, incidence, and risk factors Return to top

Tics most often occur in children, but may persist into adulthood in some cases. Tics occur 3 to 4 times as often in boys as girls. Tics may affect as many as one-fourth of all children at some time. The cause of tics is unknown, but stress appears to increase the severity of already established tics.

Short lived or transient tics are common in childhood and may appear and disappear within a matter of weeks or months (transient tic disorder). These tics often involve the eyes or facial muscles. The most commonly seen facial tics are repetitive eye blinking, squinting, wrinkling of the nose, and twitches around the mouth. Repetitive throat clearing or deep, throaty sounds or grunts may also be considered tics.

Certain medications, such as methylphenidate (used to treat hyperactivity in children), were previously thought to precipitate tics in children already prone to the disorder. However, recent studies published do not support this notion and suggest that these medications can be used in children with tics who also have attention deficit disorder, which commonly occurs in the same population.

A chronic motor tic disorder also exists. It may last for years. This form is extremely rare compared to the common short-lived childhood tic. Gilles de la Tourette syndrome is a separate condition in which tics are a predominant symptom.

Symptoms Return to top

Repetitive, involuntary spasmodic muscle movements, such as:
eye blinking
squinting
nose wrinkling
mouth twitches
facial grimacing
Repetitive throat clearing or grunting
Signs and tests Return to top

A tic is generally diagnosed during a physical examination. No special tests are necessary. Rarely, an individual may require an EEG to rule out seizures or seizure-type activity.
Treatment Return to top

Transient childhood tics are not treated. Calling the child's attention to a tic may increase its severity or prolong its disappearance. A non-stressful environment is helpful in both decreasing the frequency of a tic, and hastening its disappearance.

If tics are disabling, medications such as Risperidone (as well as others) may be effective in controlling the tics.

Expectations (prognosis) Return to top

Simple childhood tics can be expected to disappear spontaneously over a period of months. Chronic tics may last indefinitely.
Complications Return to top

In most cases, there are no complications.

Calling your health care provider Return to top

Call for an appointment with your health care provider if tics are severe, affect multiple muscle groups, or are persistent.
Prevention Return to top

Many cases are not preventable. Reducing stress may be helpful, and sometimes counseling is advised to help the child learn how to cope with stress.

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/001410.htm

[liarliartieonfire]

25. Prozac,Paxil,Zoloft-ARE a disaster to some. But a billion $$ boon to

pharmaceutical co.!! This link is to an article published back in 2002. Not much changed until recently, when the dispute about prescribing antideps to kids.

http://www.counterpunch.org/giombetti0723.html
------------------------------------

There are complete horror stories relating to misdiagnosis and prescription & dosage problems with these drugs.
Actually suicide and "depersonalization" are the most often noted.

They truely "dumb down" the patient. Severely limiting the range of emotion experienced.
For some these drugs perform fine, under the care of a wise Dr.
HOWEVER, the $$$ involved in sellling the fact that everyone and anyone needs antidepressants for whatever ails you, are staggering.

The value of life seems to depend on the dollars to be had.

Prozac may be cousing some of George's stupidity and lack of care for anyone but himself. BUT, geez he seems to have more than prozac problems . A dry drunk maybe, ex-cocaine use certainly, or currently off the wagon, binging, of course.

Scary thought but, maybe Cheney & Rummy & the Saudis have played to George's alcohol/drug weaknesses. Maybe he's supplied the finest ME opiates availible. They would call the shots, thus the turn from Bush's claim of going after Bin Laden to "get Sadaam". Bush would be easy to dumb down based on his prior drug/alcohol weaknesses, and the fact that he's just plain dumb in the first place.

Would explain all those long vacations at the ranch.
Just a theory.

[DeepModem Mom]

26. Powell: "Everybody here uses Ambien."

Washington Post:

"Powell described his killer schedule in an interview Thursday with Abdul Rahman Al-Rashed, a reporter for a London-based Saudi newspaper.

'So do you use sleeping tablets to organize yourself?' Al-Rashed asked.

'Yes. Well, I wouldn't call them that,' Powell said. 'They're a wonderful medication -- not medication. How would you call it? They're called Ambien, which is very good. You don't use Ambien? Everybody here uses Ambien.'"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A19844-2003Nov9

[TeeYiYi]

30. My mom uses Ambien . . . and . . .

. . . when she does she has a hard time thinking. She'll have difficulty finishing a sentence and then she'll giggle and say, "I took Ambien last night. I guess I'll have to quit for a few days". This drug definitely changes her. Gawd. If all of Washington is on Ambien I think we've got a clue as to what's going on. Scary.

TYY

[scottxyz]

33. This is your government on drugs

n/t

[Tellurian]

36. Oy, Now it all makes sense...

Powell, Bush, Cheney all on drugs..

Can we afford to have our country run by a drug induced administration?

No wonder they are one crack away from Declaring War on the World?

Insane-

[seabeyond]

38. crack eggs and fry

and see what happens to the world, when our government is on drugs

bah ha ha ha

ya lets have that commercial

[tinanator]

37. So? His daddy WAS whacked on Halcyon ask ABC's Carol Simpson

She said something to the effect of "should this(or should this not for x,y or z) have been reported?" at a speech she gave locally ten years ago. If you cant remember GHWB's incoherence, PARTICULARLY in the first 92 debate, you may not realize what an improvement a drunk GW is over his truly wasted poppy back then.