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Jack_Dawson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 11:51 AM
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Newsweek Subscribers: Bush Finally Got a "Down" Arrow
Edited on Thu Apr-22-04 11:53 AM by Jack_Dawson
If you don't read Newsweek, this won't make sense, but those of you who do, the CW watch has historically been very generous to Bush. Even in his worst weeks he gets a sideways arrow. This week it had a big, fat down arrow with the comment:

"5'11" in a 10 foot pool. Over his head in the complexities of world affairs and it's showing."

I couldn't believe Newsweek actually called it like it is. I may renew that subscription after all.

:toast:
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 11:52 AM
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1. Hmm, my Time subscription is almost up...
Maybe I should try Newsweek instead as a replacement?
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Jack_Dawson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 11:54 AM
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3. Newsweek's a better read...go with NW
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GiovanniC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 11:54 AM
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7. I Happen to Love Newsweek
They're not perfect by any means, but they run some great articles from time to time. The "Dirty Little Secret About the Tax Cut" article a couple weeks ago was classic and should be required reading material for anyone who thinks that G-Dub is looking out for the little guys.

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1gobluedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 12:02 PM
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10. Yes, that was excellent. n/t
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mrgorth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 12:47 PM
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14. help
They're not perfect by any means, but they run some great articles from time to time. The "Dirty Little Secret About the Tax Cut" article a couple weeks ago was classic and should be required reading material for anyone who thinks that G-Dub is looking out for the little guys.

I can't find it on the web. Is it called "Why your tax cut doesn't add up"?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4678768/
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GiovanniC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 01:06 PM
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16. Yes, That's It
Allan Sloan. Great article. It was called "The Dirty Little Secret of the Tax Cut" on the cover of Newsweek, but that's the article. There's also a companion article in which Sloan lays out some reasonable fixes that will help with the whole tax debate.

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mouse7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 11:59 AM
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8. Subscribe to The Nation
It's a far better publication. If you MUST have a mainstream news weekly, get The Economist.
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Jack_Dawson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 12:01 PM
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9. "The Nation" is about as balanced as FauxNews
I'd rather read something that at least tries to be impartial. Also, I remember the hatchet job they did on Wes Clark. Screw The Nation
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IrateCitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 01:32 PM
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25. Maybe, but their investigative reporting is absolutely fantastic
Their editorials are without a doubt from the left, as are their columnists. But at least they aren't disingenuous about it, repeatedly using the words "progressive" and "liberal" to describe the policies they advocate. FauxNews, on the other hand....

Their investigative reporting is, for the most part, outstanding. Of course, that hatchet job on Clark is a notable exception -- for which they were reamed in their later letters.

If I could think of two words to encourage people to read The Nation, they would be WILLIAM GREIDER. He is, without a doubt, one of the most illuminating and insightful columnists on economic and trade matters that is out there today.
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 01:33 PM
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26. The Economist is my favorite at this point
I also get The Nation, but get much more info in The Economist.

I'm going to subscribe to Newsweek - I've been picking it up occasionally.
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goddess40 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 12:24 PM
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12. Time vs Newsweek
I get both magazines and most of the time I find Newsweek more conservative than Time. Also get The Nation and The Hightower Lowdown. By far the best publication I get is the weekly newspaper, Liberal Opinion. It is full of liberal writers like Helen Thomas, Bill Press, Molly Ivins, Paul Krugman, Robert Scheer and many more. This paper provides me with many facts I use in letters to the Editor and arguments with Repuks. Can subscribe on line at www.liberalopinion.com. $27 for 6 months, $49.50 for a year.
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truthspeaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 12:48 PM
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15. Time is more liberal, but Newsweek has better writing
Time reads like one of those newspapers they make for 4th graders.
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 11:52 AM
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2. I suppose their perception machine is on a 3 year-delay
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Oddman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 11:54 AM
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4. I could not believe it!!!
"Finally!" I said. Love the description - 5' 11" in a ten foot pool!!!
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 11:54 AM
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5. hooray. . .
could the press corps finally be faltering by allowing the truth to slip out through the cracks. . .?
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 11:54 AM
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6. Repeated lies about getting us into Iraq was a <-> apparently.
Newsweek has been coddling this man for 3 years. And it took them THIS long to realize was a disaster he is?
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No Mandate Here. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 12:04 PM
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11. He couldn't be any taller than 5'-8" !!
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Jack_Dawson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 12:42 PM
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13. And not any smarter than 91 IQ
I've heard several experts guesstimate that G-dub's IQ is about 91.
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adriennel Donating Member (776 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 01:10 PM
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17. Presidential IQs
my sister sent me this a couple weeks ago. indeed BushII rates only a 91--more surprising perhaps is that BushI rates only a 98. enjoy!

The Pennsylvania Court Observer, 7-10-01

University Notes Contributors: Cristina L. Borenstein, Lana Taamar

Report: President Bush Has Lowest IQ of all Presidents of past 50 Years

If late night TV comedy is an indicator, then there has never been as widespread a perception that a president is not intellectually qualified for the position he holds as there is with President GW Bush. In a report published Monday, the Lovenstein Institute of Scranton, Pennsylvania detailed its findings of a four month study of the intelligence quotient of President George W. Bush. Since 1973, the Lovenstein Institute has published it's research to the education community on each new president, which includes the famous "IQ" report among others. According to statements in the report, there have been twelve presidents over the past 50 years, from F. D. Roosevelt to G. W. Bush who were all rated based on scholarly achievements, writings that they alone produced without aid of staff, their ability to speak with clarity, and several other psychological factors which were then scored in the Swanson/Crain system of intelligence ranking. The study determined the following IQs of each president as accurate to within five percentage points:

147 Franklin D. Roosevelt (D)

132 Harry Truman (D)

122 Dwight D. Eisenhower (r)

174 John F. Kennedy (D)

126 Lyndon B. Johnson (D)

155 Richard M. Nixon (r)

121 Gerald Ford (r)

175 James E. Carter (D)

105 Ronald Reagan (r)

098 George HW Bush (r)

182 William J. Clinton (D)

091 George W. Bush (r)

The six Republican presidents of the past 50 years had an average IQ of 115.5, with President Nixon having the highest IQ, at 155. President G. W. Bush was rated the lowest of all the Republicans with an IQ of 91. The six Democrat presidents had IQs with an average of 156, with President Clinton having the highest IQ, at 182. President Lyndon B. Johnson was rated the lowest of all the Democrats with an IQ of 126.

Among comments made concerning the specific testing of President GW Bush, his low ratings were due to his apparent difficulty to command the English language in public statements, his limited use of vocabulary (6,500 words for Bush versus an average of 11,000 words for other presidents), his lack of scholarly achievements other than a basic MBA, and an absence of any body of work which could be studied on an intellectual basis. The complete report documents the methods and procedures used to arrive at these ratings, including depth of sentence structure and voice stress confidence analysis. "All the Presidents prior to George W. Bush had a least one book under their belt, and most had written several white papers during their education or early careers. Not so with President Bush," Dr. Lovenstein said. "He has no published works or writings, so in many ways that made it more difficult to arrive at an assessment. We had to rely more heavily on transcripts of his unscripted public speaking." The Lovenstein Institute of Scranton Pennsylvania think tank includes high caliber historians, psychiatrists, sociologists, scientists in human behavior, and psychologists. Among their ranks are Dr. Werner R. Lovenstein, world-renowned sociologist, and Professor Patricia F. Dilliams, a world-respected psychiatrist.

This study was commissioned on February 13, 2001 and released on July 9, 2001 to subscribing member universities and organizations within the education community.

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GiovanniC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 01:15 PM
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18. I Hate to Do This, But...
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adriennel Donating Member (776 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 01:16 PM
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19. bummer!
I'd still place my bet on BushII's IQ at 90 though ;)
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GiovanniC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 01:18 PM
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20. I Have No Doubt
That Clinton was the smartest president in my lifetime.

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Jack_Dawson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 01:30 PM
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23. So it's lower than 91 after all?
Edited on Thu Apr-22-04 01:30 PM by Jack_Dawson
Just as I suspected...

:toast:
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 01:20 PM
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21. don't forget this...
...American Prospect. A great read every month, with Eric Alterman, Robert Kuttner, Michael Tomasky, etc. http://www.americanprospect.com.
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bain_sidhe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 01:26 PM
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22. I get Newsweek *because* it's more "middle of the road"
I want to see what kind of spin is being presented to the "great unwashed masses" as "objective." For REAL coverage of the bushistas, I get The Progressive, The American Prospect, Nation, and the Columbia Journalism Review. But I know most Americans don't see those - far more DO see Newsweek and Time.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 01:31 PM
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24. NFW!! He always gets this one: <--->
Newsweek really is the best news weekly out there, even if sometimes their CW folks are a little snarky and uninformed.
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Jack_Dawson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 04:30 PM
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27. That's what I'm SAYIN' , VJ!
ALWAYS gets the <----->. Not this time...finally.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 04:34 PM
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28. Yeah I noticed that. Shocking.
I also noticed the way they'd been Blowing Bunnypants*. (so has all the rest of Corporate Pravda, so it was unremarkable)

Christ, if Clinton had done ONE-TENTH of the blatantly criminal activity that Bush has been perpetrating, he would have already been in an Orange Jumpsuit (and rightfully so).

I don't know what to think about this:

1) Far too little far too late.

2) So? Howard Fineman still writes his Odious Peans to Fuhrer every week.

3) Hurray!

4) So? It was a slip up, this moment of brief honesty. Uncle Karl will lean on them a little and they'll get backj in line (gleitschlaung, is I believe what the Nazis called their "relationship with the German Press"... it means "bringing into line")

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