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11 Bravo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 12:28 PM
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Senator Byrd needs to hear from us NOW.
He can be contacted at (202) 224-3954 or at byrd.senate.gov/byrd_email.html. I called his office yesterday after hearing him on CSPAN and the staffer to whom I spoke was almost in tears. Apparently his office was being freeped with what she referred to as some of the most vile and hateful messages she had ever received. I told her that while I am not a West Virginian, I am an American, and that yesterday her boss made me proud of that fact for the first time in a long while. It was truly appreciated. Please give him a call. West Virginia is not a particularly progressive state, and he put it all on the line for us yesterday. He deserves to know of our support.
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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 12:30 PM
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1. I don't support conservatives who support corporatism
and Repuke energy corps, or ones that helped torpedo the Kyoto agreement by demanding that third-world developing nations cut their emissions
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freetobegay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 12:32 PM
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4. oy vey
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 12:37 PM
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9. Dude what the hell's wrong with you?!?
You do know what you're doing & saying is the equivalent of putting zit creme on your face while your pants are on fire and your leg flesh is burning?

You do know that if you wait for "perfection" to give your support to (like the German Communists in 1933) you will be "free" to do so at the Ashcroft Memorial Re-Education and Re-Christianization Camp after a time.

Jesus, what 2x4 do you need to get your head caved in with? Maybe, instead of me asking rhetorically, the Nationalized Neighborhood Watch, Deputized Under CitizenCorps and PATRIOT II, will knock some sense into you in a decade or so with one.

What else can I say to you to open your eyes?

Pursue perfection at your own risk, unfortunately, at all of our own risk.
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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 12:41 PM
Response to Reply #9
12. Byrd, like McCain, works both sides of the aisle
They are mirror images.

But if you want to hold up the Dem who helped the Repukes destroy Kyoto, it's your choice, and I won't insult you with allusions to violence using 2x4's.
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kiahzero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 12:45 PM
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14. You know, you always struck me as pragmatic.
The pragmatic thing to do would be to support the Dems when they do the right thing, and write in when they do the wrong thing. Then, you've created an operant conditioning system, where our representatives do the right thing more often.

Wouldn't that be a good thing?
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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 01:18 PM
Response to Reply #14
30. I am pragmatic
but as far as Byrd being a Democrat, he is no more of a Dem than Lieberman and Zell Miller, in my book. I don't see how helping a man that helps the energy corporations that help the Repukes is a pragmatic thing to do. IMO, pragmatism means you hurt the people who support the people who are hurting us.

Wouldn't that be a good thing?

When it works, it's a good thing. When it provides cover for someone who works against our interests, it is not a good thing.
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kiahzero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 01:25 PM
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33. You support the good things they do, and don't support the bad
Following your logic, I should be campaigning against Kerry - I can't stand the fact that he's expressing support for CBDTPA, since that would really hurt me personally in Computer Science.

But you know what? He's right on other issues. So I support the things he's right on, and don't support the things he's wrong on.

Similarly, Byrd may be wrong on a hundred other issues, but he's damn right on this one. So I support him on this one, and don't support him on the others.
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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 01:38 PM
Response to Reply #33
44. I prefer to support those
who do better than be right on one issue that has already been decided. I doubt Byrd can stop the invasion of Iraq at this point.
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kiahzero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 01:42 PM
Response to Reply #44
49. True, and that's a valid point.
However, if I recall correctly, Byrd was also pushing the point that Bush may have committed an impeachable offense in diverting money from Afghanistan to Iraq.

That's HUGE, and I think it should be encouraged. If Byrd keeps pushing this point, the establishment-biased media will pick it up and run with it.
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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 02:04 PM
Response to Reply #49
55. That's something I could support
even when it comes from Byrd. However, I can't support his supposed "opposition" to this war when his actions helped create the motive for it.
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11 Bravo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 01:45 PM
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50. Great, we don't have enough "more-ideological-than-thou" Dems.
Edited on Thu Apr-22-04 01:47 PM by 2dumb2beprez
Sadly, there were enough of you in 2000 to place * in the White House. Hold tight to that self-righteous purity. Maybe you can use it as a flak jacket after * kills off so many GIs that we need a draft. Or perhaps you can eat it after * has placed all of this country's wealth in the hands of his rich friends and has completed the dismantling of the social safety net. Or perhaps you can it use in place of the civil liberties that are being systematically destroyed by this administration. In any case, never forget, you are better than the rest of us because your heart is pure, and you will brook no compromise simply for the sake of something so unimportant as GETTING THAT UNELECTED FRAUD THE FUCK OUT OF THE PEOPLE'S HOUSE!
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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 02:34 PM
Response to Reply #50
61. Why do you support Bush*'s war
and why do you support war supporters like Byrd?
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Lindacooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 02:49 PM
Response to Reply #30
63. Boy, are you ever wrong
and I loved the comment 'you're putting on zit cream while standing on a broken leg and the house is burning' comment (that's as close as I remember).
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 02:53 PM
Response to Reply #30
65. And this is from the one who tried to convince us that Lieberman was a
Edited on Thu Apr-22-04 03:05 PM by TankLV
flaming liberal.

Byrd is a Patriot in the highest sense of the word. He has been one of the only ones constantly chastizing the repukes and bunkerboy.

His stance against the illegal war in Iraqi from the get-go alone would forever earn him my respect and admiration. The Kyoto issue you mention isn't even on my list of top ten things I'm concerned about regarding this misadministration.

But you know better than what we can all read for ourselves.

Riiiiiiigt!

Spare us all from your sanctimonious harangues - we can read and hear and see for ourselves, and we have the intelligence to make the right decisions, too.

Yours is just one small opinion amongst many, as is mine and others here.

Glad to see your back to your usual form - NOT!
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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 02:59 PM
Response to Reply #65
68. Lieberman burns for no one
He is not a flaming liberal; Just a regular run of the mill liberals with a long history of supporting civil rights, GLBT rights, social spending, and unfortunately, Republicans and war with Muslims.

Byrd is a Patriot in the highest sense of the word.

Is that why he killed Kyoto, leaving us on the path of increasing reliance on foriegn oil, which led to this war? If so, then that "highest sense" was some good CA sensimilla

But you know better than what we can all read for ourselves.

So you've read about the Byrd-Hagel resolution which helped kill Kyoto and about "clean" coal? Mountaintop removals? Bryd's role in the Clinton impeachment? His betrayal of union members?
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 10:58 PM
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80. Still trying to convince yourself I see.
He has done NOTHING, NOTHING in the past 4 years or so that I can support.

His call to Gore to "give up" was the most outragious.

His continued support and comfort to bunkerboy for his Iraq war hard-on is equally heinuous.

His "holier than thou" support and sponsorship of a national theocracy is abominable.

These are just the latest of his abomimnable record.

Byrd atoned for his racist past, while Lieberman seems to be rushing to eclipse any good he once did.

Tell me again how he "supports" GBLT rights without supporting full marriage rights.

He is a DINO of the Zell Miller camp.

He is a traitor to the Democratic Party.

He should be thrown out.

I've read the reports of the Kyoto issues, and it is not a major issue as far as I'm concerned with all the other crap that he has foisted upon us, far and most is his continuing praise of the repukes and this administration.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 12:45 PM
Response to Reply #12
15. Hey, I wasn't threating you.
Edited on Thu Apr-22-04 12:46 PM by tom_paine
What I was trying to explain is that if you wait for perfection the result will likely be the same (but "kinder and genlter") as the last time people like you waited for perfection while trying to fight people like Bush.

The result was Nazi Germany. And if you won't see that, then I'm sure the Nationalized Neighborhood Watch (or whatever they call themselves this time around) will be happy to show you in 10 years or so.

I won't be the one hitting you (again I say I apologize if you perceived that as an allusion to a threat, it wasn't, except to make you aware of the Monsters that threaten us all), I'd be the one rushing in at personal risk to save you and probably taking an ass-beating myself.

Don't blame the messenger if the message cuts so raw your ego won't allow you to acknowledge it.
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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 01:23 PM
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31. I said you were "insulting" not "threatening"
I know you wouldn't threaten me with violence, which is why I said you "insulted" with an "allusion of violence".

And I don't need perfect, I'm willing to support the likes of a Gephardt, a Clinton, a Daschle, etc even though they are far from perfect IMO. However, I am not willing to support someone that supports my enemy, and Byrd supports the energy corps that support Repukes. If it weren't for them, we wouldn't be in this war. Giving a speech won't undo that.

Don't blame the messenger if the message cuts so raw your ego won't allow you to acknowledge it.

I hope the explanation above convinces you that my position isn't based on my ego, but my own evaluation of Byrd's record and how it has worked against our interests. I may be wrong in my judgements, but they're not based on emotion and ego. I hope you can acknowledge that an unpopular opinion is not necesarily an egotistical one.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 01:35 PM
Response to Reply #31
40. Ok. I do accept your answer. Agree to disagree.
I won't disparage the Modern Cicero (who was a Byrd-like sonovabitch, too )because he has supported the Chariot Lobby in the past.

You know, the charioteers who fuck up our beautiful Roman Roads with their golden and silver-plated axles?

Agree to disagree. I am convinced of the nature of your position.

I just think it's bad judgement at this time in history.
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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 01:40 PM
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46. I will agree to disagree under one condition, and one condition only
I'm still allowed to laugh at your style (ie. "I won't disparage the Modern Cicero because he has supported the Chariot Lobby in the past")

You crack me up sometimes.

:hug:
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 02:31 PM
Response to Reply #46
60. Thanks, that was a joke so if you're not laughing I'm doing something
wrong.

Thanks.
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Loonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 12:51 PM
Response to Reply #12
22. Dude,
Chill.

Take your righteous indignation elsewhere.
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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 01:24 PM
Response to Reply #22
32. Nope
Take your sanctimonious commands and place them in their proper place. I don't think you'll need a road map to get there.
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Loonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 01:35 PM
Response to Reply #32
41. Kyoto is a joke, anyway
Have you ever read it?

Unenforcable rhetoric masquerading as environmental policy.

Bureaucratic doublespeak.

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liberalitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 12:51 PM
Response to Reply #9
23. here, here!
Isn't it time we quit falling on our own swords to meet some Jungian Ideal?
Let's make some omlets... Damn it!
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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 01:25 PM
Response to Reply #23
34. Yes, let's salute some of the most conservative DINO's
and the more liberal ones "Bush*-lite"
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 01:53 PM
Response to Reply #34
53. we are
talking about supporting him in having given a wonderful and courageous speech in Congress. Have you read it?

I'm sure if you are polite they will be glad to listen to your concerns also.

But we need to support our Congresspeople when they stand up for us in the face of the Rethugs and Bullies.
Please take a moment and read the speech. :-)

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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 02:06 PM
Response to Reply #53
56. So we should remain silent about how Byrd encourages war
with his support for energy corporations?

I'm suprised to see you argue that we should remain silent about how some Dems are complicit with Bush* in starting a war for oil.

Please take a moment and read the speech

I respectfully decline your invitation for the same reasons I don't watch Fox.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 02:10 PM
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57. didn't
I say I'm sure they would listen to your concerns if you conveyed them in a polite manner? I never suggested you keep silent.
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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 03:05 PM
Response to Reply #57
72. You mean like
"Could you pretty please tell us why you support policies that have increased our need to kill thousands for their oil? "
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 02:15 PM
Response to Reply #56
59. Thank you for keeping this thread kicked
More people are seeing it and are supporting Byrd by calling and emailing.

Yay!

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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 03:06 PM
Response to Reply #59
75. You're welcome
.
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Kanary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 03:05 PM
Response to Reply #53
73. nebbamind... saw the speech further down..
Edited on Thu Apr-22-04 03:22 PM by Kanary
Thanks so much!

Kanary
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 12:50 PM
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21. I think it's important to SUPPORT Dems when they do good things
and also to criticize them when they do wrong things. In this case, Sen.Byrd is doing a GOOD thing, so SUPPORT him!
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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 01:27 PM
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36. Byrd supports the energy corps that helped start this war
Will you mention that while speaking to Byrd's staff?

Will you mention how Byrd helped KILL Kyoto? (Do you even know anything about it?)
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nomatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 02:45 PM
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62. Yes, Sangh0 I do
If you are referring to the Byrd-Hagle resolution (voted 95-0)
In the original legislation it did not include these conditions.

http://www.security-policy.org/papers/other/edwarm20.html

"The resolution called on the president not to sign any treaty or agreement in Kyoto unless two basic conditions were met. First, the resolution directed the president not to sign any treaty that placed legally binding obligations on the United States to limit or reduce greenhouse gas emissions "unless the protocol or agreement also mandates new specific scheduled commitments to limit or reduce greenhouse gas emissions for Developing Country Parties within the same compliance period." The second requirement of the resolution was that the president should not sign any treaty that "would result in serious harm to the economy of the United States."

The Byrd-Hagel resolution was not a "handicap," as Passacantando suggested. It was the clear "advice" of the U.S. Senate -- as contemplated in the Constitution -- provided for the executive branch, which was engaged in negotiations on a treaty."

This was NOT in the Kyoto Treaty.


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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 03:01 PM
Response to Reply #62
70. Yes, I"m referring to the Byrd-Hagel resolution
and though it wasn't part of the original legislation it was what killed Kyoto.

Byrd BRAGS about killing Kyoto
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LeahMira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 03:01 PM
Response to Reply #1
69. A good practice is...
... to encourage and praise them when they do well and try to ignore them when they don't. It seems to work well with small children and politicians.
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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 03:06 PM
Response to Reply #69
74. I'll praise Byrd when he DOES well
but talk is nothing but hot air if it's not backed up with action. Byrd never walks the walk. He just gives good speech.
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freetobegay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 12:32 PM
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2. I just called
Wished I could do more.
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Howardx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 12:32 PM
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3. just called
thumbs up for byrd
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 12:34 PM
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5. Thanks for the heads up.
I also hope he somehow is able to communicate how his office is unfairly being attacked with "vile" behavior. These people need to be called out and re-programmed back into the human race.
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jean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 12:34 PM
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6. just called - she said thanks for the kind words and that they had
a "neighbor" of mine (told her I'm from MN) called this morning with vile anti-Byrd sentiments. I reminded her, there are more of us and for Sen Byrd to keep up with his message.

I hope they tape all the calls and have trace or caller id function.
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jbfam4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 12:40 PM
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11. I'm sure ASScroft will investigate.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 03:12 PM
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76. ...you can bank on it -
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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 12:35 PM
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7. Done n/t
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liveoaktx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 12:36 PM
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8. me too, listened to it yesterday and happy to see ONE person
that has the ***** to stand up firmly for the Constitution.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 12:40 PM
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10. Done - toll free # 877-762-8762 - ask for Sen. Byrd's office
No politician is perfect, and this man has contributed more positives to outweigh his neagives in the last two years than any others I can think of.
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 12:41 PM
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13. I called
I told the woman on the phone how much I appreciated Sen Byrd, that we have a kid in Baghdad, that what he said means everything to me, and that when the staff gets mean calls just to remember that the people calling are angry because they know Sen Byrd is telling the truth, they know deep down they were lied to, and they know they were wrong about this war
I also told them to remember my call to them from me and my husband, with a kid in Baghdad, and how much we support all of the staff, and all of the good things Sen Byrd says, everytime they get a mean call
The staffer started crying, sounds like they have been getting some really cruel calls.
I told them not to take it personally. These people are just mean and cruel.
She said a kind call meant everything to her.
Thanks for posting this thread.
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 12:46 PM
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16. I called
Edited on Thu Apr-22-04 12:46 PM by proud patriot
I told her I was one of the people to send flowers last year .

Come on everyone Give your support make a call.
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melv Donating Member (506 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 12:48 PM
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17. done n/t
done
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 12:49 PM
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18. Done and done.
First time I ever called a Senator's office.

That was pretty easy! I hope our calls have an impact.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 01:45 PM
Response to Reply #18
51. congrats!
it feels good doesn't it?

:toast:

keep up the good work, it really does make a difference!
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 12:49 PM
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19. Done
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Loonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 12:50 PM
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20. I just wrote to him, again
My third letter to Byrd.
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 12:56 PM
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24. Thanks for posting this... Here's what I wrote him:
Dear Senator Byrd,

I am writing to congratulate you on the fine and inspiring speech you made yesterday. It is humbling to see such eloquence in an environment where there has been such a dearth of it lately. You are a model of what an American should be. To overcome ones demons, to transcend selfishness, and to stand up for the ideals of our democracy.

Thank you for holding the torch for all of us

Sincerely Yours -
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liberalitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 12:56 PM
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25. First his office has heard of DU!
I just talked to a staffer in his office who said that she had never heard of DU.... she said she'll visit when she goes home tonight.... and she'd also suggest it to the senator.
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 01:09 PM
Response to Reply #25
28. She must be a newby, then....about 16 months ago, DUers got together
and absolutely overloaded Byrd's office with flowers. It was his stance against the Homeland Security bill flaws that he kept hammering on, and the questions he raised about giving bush so much latitude on the Iraq war. Byrd is a true patriot, and he knows the constitution better than any congresscritter up there.

If I remember correctly, DUers (and related web sites in the brotherhood of liberals) sent more than 70 flower arrangements to Byrd's office. They were absolutely covered in flowers! It was fun!

The aide you spoke with must have come on board since that time. But I PROMISE you, Byrd KNOWS who DU is.

:kick:
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 01:16 PM
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29. I wish we could do that again!!
I forget who organized it and how exactly they did it. That was very effective, one of DUs shining moments!
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Elsie Donating Member (54 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 01:02 PM
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26. I just called....
Thanks for the posting the number... I was moved to tears last night when I heard his speech.. I have a grandson in the Marine Corp, he is still state side but that could change at any minute. We pray and worry but everyday brings a new horror........

Elsie A PROUD GRANDMA OF A U.S.MARINE....
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 01:09 PM
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27. I called
again, I try to call his office now and then. I find myself getting really choked up because this is all so very serious and he really does put himself out there for us but they were very understanding and very appreciative of the support.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 01:26 PM
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35. for Senator Byrd
over the last few years your eloquent speeches have been posted in this forum many times over. You have given so many of us the sense that we have a voice in these difficult times. Please know that your courageous efforts have been very much appreciated by many. What you are doing would make the founding fathers proud. You are a patriot and a fine American. We love you!
Thank You!
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 01:32 PM
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38. Good one, G_j .....
Edited on Thu Apr-22-04 01:33 PM by loudsue
When I called just now and talked to one of his staff, she was almost in tears, and said "they're accusing him of not supporting the troops!"

I just told her that we just need to get rid of bush. We shouldn't have ever sent our kids over there to begin with. She said "well, just get out there and vote him out come November."

I said, "if the corporations would quit counting our votes, we COULD!" I mentioned that if Byrd hasn't offered his support for the Holt bill, to please ask him to do so.

Man! You could tell they were getting slammed! I know she appreciated the call, and said she would make a note of it.

Maybe the aides need some flowers, too!

By the way! Thank you, whoever started this thread! We need to be on top of these things!

:kick:
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 01:41 PM
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47. yes thank you, 2dumb2beprez !
Edited on Thu Apr-22-04 01:42 PM by G_j
for this thread.

This is the kind of effort where DU often shines.

:-)

btw, I called also. It is well worth the effort to support those who are standing up for what is right.



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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 01:29 PM
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37. I missed the speech.
Can anyone give me a little summary?

TIA!
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 01:34 PM
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39. here
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0421-16.htm

President Owes America Answers on Iraq
by Senator Robert C. Byrd
April 21, 2004


Senator Byrd, a senior member of the Senate Armed Services Committee, delivered the following remarks regarding the continued lack of security and stability in Iraq. Mr. Byrd also addressed the claim made in a book by Mr. Robert Woodward that the President and his Administration shifted funds without Congressional approval from the war in Afghanistan to prepare for war in Iraq.

It is the poet T.S. Eliot who reminds us, as if we needed to be reminded, that "April is the cruelest month." How prescient his words ring this April, as we reflect upon the deepening crisis and the steadily mounting death toll in Iraq. This April, this month in which millions of Americans marked the holiest season of the Judeo-Christian calendar, has been an unholy nightmare for American military forces and American policy in Iraq.

April 2004, 11 months after the President proclaimed the end of major combat operations in Iraq, has proved to be the deadliest month for American forces in Iraq since the onset of the war more than a year ago. Major combat operations may have ended, as the President asserted nearly one year ago, but major combat casualties have not. The "Mission Accomplished" banner under which he spoke so confidently on a May 1st, 2003, has come back to haunt us and to taunt us many times over.

In the weeks and months leading up to the war, Americans were assured by the President and his cadre of top advisers – most particularly Vice President Dick Cheney – that we would be greeted as liberators in Iraq, our path to victory strewn with cheers and flowers. Those flowers, it now appears, are less like rose petals tossed at the feet of liberators and more like Eliot's mournful April lilacs – "Lilacs out of the deadland, mixing Memory and desire, stirring Dull roots with spring rain."

April has indeed become the cruelest month. Memory and desire cannot supplant reality in Iraq. More than one hundred American military personnel have been killed in Iraq so far this month, the highest number of deaths in a single month since the beginning of the war. In all, more than 700 American military members have died in Iraq since the beginning of combat. Today, more than one year after the fall of Baghdad, America's military forces are being greeted in too many quarters of Iraq, not with flowers but with gunfire; not with cheers but with jeers, not as liberators but as oppressors.

In the harsh glare of hindsight, it is now clear that the President's preconceived notions of the war and the aftermath of the war in Iraq were profoundly flawed. Even the President's Secretary of Defense – one of the supreme architects of the Iraqi offensive – has been forced to admit that the battle has not gone according to plan, that the level of casualties, continuing so long after the fall of Baghdad, was neither anticipated nor planned for before the invasion.

And yet President Bush refuses to admit any flaws in his grand strategy to invade Iraq and overthrow the regime of Saddam Hussein without giving adequate consideration to the potential perils awaiting America in the seething streets and towns of post-war Iraq. Despite the fact that debate over the war in Iraq rages worldwide, despite the fact that the American occupation is reeling from unexpected opposition from the very people it was intended to liberate, still the President is hard pressed under questioning to come up with any mistakes he might have made in dealing with Iraq.

In his press conference last week, President Bush acknowledged "tough weeks" in Iraq, but he clung to his oft-repeated assertion that Iraq is mostly stable, and shrugged off the violence of recent weeks as the work of a small faction of fanatical "thugs" and terrorists bent on imposing their will over the popular will of Iraq.

In this assessment, I hope and pray that the President is right. For the sake of America's military families, who have had to bear the burden of the increased violence in Iraq, I hope that the President is right. I hope that Iraq achieves stability and security soon. For while Iraq and the world may indeed be better off with Saddam Hussein behind bars, alas I do not believe that an Iraq in turmoil is either a boon to the Middle East or an asset to the security of the United States.

Instead of reflecting candidly on the current challenges in Iraq, President Bush would prefer to focus on his grandiose vision for reforming the Middle East. In this he speaks in ideological, almost messianic, cadences as he paints a picture of Iraq as a central front not just in the war on terror but also in a battle of Biblical proportions pitting "good" against "evil."

President Bush is a man of absolutes. Either we stay the course in Iraq, or we cut and run. Either we fight terrorists on the streets of Iraq, or we fight them on the streets of New York or Washington. Either we support the President's policies absolutely, or we give aid and comfort to the enemy.

No, no, a thousand times no. Either-or propositions like those invoked by the President to describe the war in Iraq are nothing more than politically inspired slogans, like last year's ill-advised "Mission Accomplished" banner, designed to whip up emotions while masking the complexity of national security considerations.

Fighting in the streets of Iraq has not prevented terrorists from striking in Saudi Arabia or Bali or Madrid, and there is no guarantee that it will prevent them from striking again in the United States. Just this week, Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge disclosed the formation of a federal task force to respond to heightened threats that al Qaeda will strike again in the United States sometime before the November elections. Significant events, including the dedication of the World War II memorial in Washington and the political conventions in New York and Boston, are among those viewed as prime targets for a new al Qaeda offensive.

This is the sobering reality. Osama bin Laden remains at large, and his minions appear to be multiplying, not diminishing. If anything, the war in Iraq has served as a rallying cry for anti-American and anti-democratic extremists in the Middle East and beyond. Sadly, given the distraction from the war on terror that the war in Iraq has proved itself to be, the capture or killing of Osama bin Laden, when and if it comes, is likely to be an anti-climactic footnote to a widening and ever more deadly surge in international terrorism.

Despite the often invoked and patently misleading conclusion drawn by the Bush Administration, "cutting and running" is not the only alternative to staying the course in Iraq, especially when that course is fraught with disaster. Altering a flawed and dangerous course of action, seeking meaningful support from the international community, is another alternative, one that this President is loath to acknowledge but evidently more than willing to embrace in the face of the calamity that has befallen his own roadmap for Iraq.

For months, I and others have implored the President to return to the United Nations and to seek a greater role for the U.N. in the occupation, administration, and reconstruction of Iraq. Long before the war, we begged the President to seek the support of the U.N. Security Council before invading Iraq. Our pleas fell on deaf ears. This Administration was confident it could go it alone, with only a threadbare coalition of the willing to paper over its unilateral action.

How hollow that confidence now rings. In the face of disaster, in the face of mounting doubts among members of the coalition, the President has now been forced to seek shelter under the wings of the United Nations. The Iraqis have rejected every plan for transition of power put forward by the President's Coalition Provisional Authority. Our only hope left is that they will embrace a plan put forward by the United Nations, the very body that the United States spurned when the President chose to invade Iraq without the support of the U.N. Security Council. Irony scarcely begins to describe the current state of affairs.

The fact is, while espousing hard-line rhetoric and iron-clad resolve, this Administration has ducked and bobbed and weaved at every opportunity. In the Administration's ever-shifting explanation for the war in Iraq, the face of our enemy has ricocheted over the past 12 months from Saddam Hussein and his Republican Guard to disgruntled Baathist dead-enders to foreign terrorists taking advantage of the unrest in Iraq to pursue their agenda of jihad to today's vague assortment of thugs and fanatics opposed to democracy for Iraq.

We hear the refrain: Stay the course. Stay the course. Exactly what course is it we are supposed to be staying in Iraq? The President failed to explain that to the American people at his press conference. How did we get from protecting the United States from the threat of weapons of mass destruction to the vague notion of fighting extremists opposed to democracy in Iraq? The President failed to explain that fact as well. Where were those extremists before the invasion? Why is it that they are emerging in force only now, a full year after the fall of Baghdad. Could it be that this Administration has created America's own worst nightmare because of its colossal arrogance, clumsy mistakes, and painful misjudgments on virtually every aspect of the war in Iraq?

These are not the questions of an unpatriotic or reckless opposition. These are not questions intended to demoralize America or hearten our enemies. Rather, these are the questions that a free and open society – the kind of democratic society we envision for Iraq – is expected to pose of its leaders. And these are the kind of questions that a democratic nation's leader is beholden to answer. Dogmatic admonitions and grandiose allusions will not suffice. In a democratic society, the people demand and deserve the simple and unvarnished truth.

So do the people's representatives in government. Congress also demands and deserves the simple and unvarnished truth from the Executive Branch. As a co-equal branch of government, as the body in which the Constitution vests the power of the purse, Congress requires the truth from the President. This is what makes the recent allegations in Bob Woodward's new book regarding the redirection of appropriated funds into clandestine preparations for the war on Iraq so disturbing. If the President, as alleged in this book, made the decision to wage war against Iraq and secretly spent appropriated funds to prepare for that war without prior consultation with Congress, then the letter of the law, the intent of the law, and the Constitutional power of the purse, have been subverted. This would be not only a very grave breach of trust on the part of the Administration, but also a very grave abuse of power.

I hope with all my heart that Iraq will emerge from the current chaos to become a free and democratic nation. I hope with all my heart that the sacrifices that America's military forces have endured in Iraq will be validated by reality, and not justified merely on the basis of wishful thinking. The path forward is not yet clear, but this I do know. President Bush led America into a preemptive war that was neither dictated by circumstances nor driven by events. He led America into a war of choice that might well have been avoided with patience and prudence. Would that we could read that "April is the cruelest month" without reflecting on the cruel and terrible toll that the war on Iraq has taken on America's men and women in uniform in Iraq during this sorrowful month of April.

It is said in the Bible that of those to whom much is given, much is required. Much is required of this Administration and this President with regard to Iraq. The American people expect answers, they expect a judicious strategy, and they expect a well thought-out military and diplomatic campaign. On all fronts, the American people have been let down. A President who wages war, and manages the aftermath of war, by the seat of his pants is not what the American people either expect or deserve, and that is what I fear they are seeing in Iraq.

The President, having blundered into this war in Iraq, does not have much time left to get the stabilization of Iraq right. We have spent our blood and treasure in Iraq, and it is now time – past time – to aggressively explore ways in which the burden on Americans can be mitigated. It is time to abandon the go-it-alone attitude established by this President. It is time – long past time – for the President to admit to mistakes made, to forsake his divisive either-or rhetoric, and to seek a way out of the deepening morass of Iraq with the full partnership of the United Nations, the region, and the international community.

President Bush needs to drop all pretensions that the war in Iraq and the battle for stability are going according to plan. Only by accepting the fact that a bold new direction is needed to untangle the mess in Iraq can this President extricate the United States from what is fast becoming a quagmire. It is time for the President to set aside his pride and to convene an international summit on the future of Iraq, composed of representatives of the Iraqi people, their Arab neighbors, NATO, and the United Nations. Then and only then will the Iraqi people be in a position to chart their own future with the help of the international community. Then and only then will the United States be able to relinquish ownership of the tiger it now holds by the tail.

America must alter its course in Iraq to deal with the volatile vacuum left by the fall of Saddam Hussein's regime. America must be prepared to fight terrorism wherever it rears its ugly head, and not be lulled into the false belief that attacking terrorists overseas will stop them from attacking America on its homefront. And above all, Americans must never be cowed into believing that questions are somehow "unpatriotic" or that presidents, even war-time presidents, are ever above answering them.


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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 01:38 PM
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43. Thanks a million! n/t
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 01:47 PM
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52. I just called, and expressed my appreciation for his wonderful speech
and told them I was from NC and he has thousands of supporters all over the country.
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 01:37 PM
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42. Transcript is here:
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 01:38 PM
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45. Thank you, too!
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 01:42 PM
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48. Wrote him this:
Thank you so very much for your fiery speech! Thank you for speaking the truth! Just when I lose hope that we still have a democracy in this country, you come and rekindle it.
I was hanging on your every word - watched it on C-Span and taped it - sent to froends and family copies from your website.
God Bless you!
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 02:02 PM
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54. very nice
I wish I could have have watched it also!
The transcript alone is awesome.
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 02:13 PM
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58. Called and got through on the 1st try and 1st ring
doesn't happen to me often.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 02:52 PM
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64. Thank you, I called
The staffer was very appreciative.
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Vogon_Glory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 02:56 PM
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66. I Sent Him A Supportive E-mail (eom)
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 02:58 PM
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67. I just called.
I told 'em that a lot of folks here in Midland Texas are starting to see the light. I appreciated Robert Byrd and I did indeed watch him perform on the Senate floor yesterday.

She thanked me for calling long distance and wished me a good day.
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 03:01 PM
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71. Done
:D
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 03:51 PM
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77. kick
:kick:
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freetobegay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 03:54 PM
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78. You kick me I kick you!
:kick: :)
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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 04:04 PM
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79. I sent a supportive from the heart email n/t
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