Well well well. Mr. Nader supports Mr. Bush

[Lindacooks]

'Bush administration officials defended the president's environmental record, citing proposed tax incentives for solar energy and hybrid-fuel vehicles. An official said the president had also tightened fuel efficiency standards for gas-guzzling SUVs from 20.7 mpg to 22.2 mpg .

"At least they can say that's more than the Democrats proposed under Clinton," said independent presidential candidate Ralph Nader.'

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20040422/pl_nm/campaign_bush_dc_3

This was at the end of the article where chimpy tried to defend his record of environmental rape and pillage of the world
and environmentalists denounced him.

And that's all Mr. Nader has to say?????

Yet another reason why I have lost all respect for that quasi-Republican sycophant.

Edited to correct spelling of sycophant and add definition just because it's so perfect: A servile self-seeker who attempts to win favor by flattering influential people.

[The Backlash Cometh]

1. And here I thought it made it to the mainstream that Bush unraveled

Clinton's pollution controls, logging, etc.

[Ediacara]

2. Oh I guess he's changed his mind

There IS a difference between Democrats and Republicans LOL!

Nader has gone completely off the deep end.

[blm]

3. WHAAAAAAAT?

I'm not one to dump on Nader, but this is ABSURD.

[seabeyond]

4. i want to know who donated all that money

to nadar this period. he has made twice as much as he did in 2000

[tandot]

7. Most money probably comes from Bush supporters...

They know that they can't get liberals to vote for Bush. The easiest way to get Bush re-selected is to have enough people voting for Nader to tip the scale toward the f*cking chimp. Those filthy rich who benefit from Bush's tax cuts are willing to give quite a bit of money to have that bastard re-selected.

[Fenris]

8. That's quite a smart plan

[seabeyond]

10. this is what i want to know

adn if it is important enough to report nadar has received more money than 2000, isnt it also significant if the supporters are money people repugs who are also supporting bush

i think there is a story there and needs to be told.

otherwise it implies the demo's are leaving kerry for nadar.

[tandot]

13. Is there a way to find out who donated to whom?

Isn't that public information? How can we find out who the major contributors to Nader's campaign are?

[TreasonousBastard]

14. There was a NY Times article...

a couple of weeks ago wherein Nadir said he was getting gobs of Republican donations, possibly outpacing Dem and Green donations.

Proof that he has gone off the deep end was his statement that he thought this means that these Republicans were going to vote for him, so Kerry shouldn't worry. He actually thinks Shrub will bleed votes to him.

Our best hope is that he doesn't get on the ballot of most states. With no party behind him, he has to get something like 700,000 signatures nationwide, each state having its own peculiarities. I hear there aren't all that many people out there with ballot petitions.

[Christ was Socialist]

16. Well then that means

that the dems will have to come back to the left for the first time since fdr, to capture the vote.

[noiretextatique]

20. LOL

:thumbsup:

[sangh0]

5. I can't wait to see how the Naderites spin this

.

[Fenris]

6. Aside from being wrong, that statement is completely asinine.

He is really off of his rocker.

[greendog]

19. What are you guys so upset about?

According to the article, the Bushies are saying they've improved the fuel efficiency of SUV's from 20.7 to 22.2 mpg.

Nader is reminding us that the Clinton/Gore administration never proposed to improve fuel efficiency during their 8 years in office.

So, for Nader's statement to be wrong you'd have to demonstrate one of two things:

1. The Bushies didn't do anything to improve fuel efficiency or...

2. The Clinton administration did try to improve fuel efficiency.

[HFishbine]

23. Is it wrong?

Are you aware of the last time CAFE standards were rasied?

[BillZBubb]

9. Nader is a bona fide nutjob

To say he makes me sick is understatement. I get almost as nauseous when he speaks as when Shrub mummbles.

[MrSlayer]

11. Nader is a dick, no way around that fact.

He's just a self aggrandizing asshole and does not give a damn about America. He's willing to sacrifice us all for his vainglorious "run".

[tom_paine]

12. Yes, Nader is an egomaniacal DICK and I will NEVER forgive him

And yes, it is very possible St. Ralphie has gone "Straussian" and now despises the people he used to help and defend.

It's happened before.

[HFishbine]

15. Well, is he right or not?

Do we want to hold our candidates and representatives responsible or shall we stick our heads in the sand?

[noiretextatique]

17. that doesn't matter

what matters is that he had the audacity to say what he did, which the poster equates with supporting bush.

[corporatewhore]

22. heh yeah people get mad at me for saying clinton killed more iraqis than *

Sanctions killed around 4,000-5,000 iraqi kids a month

[noiretextatique]

26. psst...that's blasphemy

:D

[Uzybone]

28. Sorry but thats moronic

were thos Clintons personal sactions against Iraq or were they the UN sactions? If you guys think Bush is better than the democrats then vote for him.

[noiretextatique]

29. 11% of democrats DID vote for him

and plan to do so in 2004.
i prefer to vote for someone WITH a brain.

[Lindacooks]

34. And I'll bet they're sorry

[Old and In the Way]

18. What would one expect from a candidate whose campaign relies

on the Republican Party for his sustanence?

Odd that we aren't hearing from his supporters here, though.

[Neshanic]

21. But..but..but..there's no difference! He needs professional help.

[treepig]

24. from the new yorker

The New Yorker

March 8, 2004

SECTION: THE TALK OF THE TOWN; Comment; Pg. 25

LENGTH: 1078 words

HEADLINE: RECKLESS DRIVER

BYLINE: Hendrik Hertzberg

BODY:
More than any other single person, Ralph Nader is responsible for the existence of automobiles that have seat belts, padded dashboards, air bags, non-impaling steering columns, and gas tanks that don't readily explode when the car gets rear-ended. He is therefore responsible for the existence of some millions of drivers and passengers who would otherwise be dead. Because of Nader, baby foods are no longer spiked with MSG, kids' pajamas no longer catch fire, tap water is safer to drink than it used to be, diseased meat can no longer be sold with impunity, and dental patients getting their teeth x-rayed wear lead aprons to protect their bodies from dangerous zaps. It is Nader's doing, more than anyone else's, that the federal bureaucracy includes an Environmental Protection Agency, an Occupational Safety and Health Administration, and a Consumer Product Safety Commission, all of which have done valuable work in the past and, with luck, may be allowed to do such work again someday. He is the man to thank for the fact that the Freedom of Information Act is a powerful instrument of democratic transparency and accountability. He is the founder of an amazing array of agile, sharp-elbowed research and lobbying organizations that have prodded governments at all levels toward constructive action in areas ranging from insurance rates to nuclear safety. He had help, of course, from his young "raiders," from congressional staffers and their bosses, from citizens, and even from the odd President. But he was the prime mover.

More than any other single person, Ralph Nader is responsible for the fact that George W. Bush is President of the United States. Nader is more responsible than Al Gore, who, in 2000, put himself in the clear by persuading more of his fellow-citizens to vote for him than for anybody else, which normally-in thirty-nine of the forty-two previous Presidential elections, or ninety-three per cent-had been considered adequate to fulfill the candidate's electoral duty. Nader is more responsible than George W. Bush, whose alibi complements Gore's: by attracting fewer votes, both nationally and (according to the preponderance of scientific opinion) in Florida, Bush absolved himself of guilt for his own elevation. A post-election rogues' gallery-Jeb Bush, James Baker, Katherine Harris, William Rehnquist and four of his Supreme Court colleagues-helped, each rogue in his or her own way, but no single one of them could have pulled off the heist without the help of the others. Nader was sufficient unto himself.

For the past three years, everything Nader accomplished during his period of unparalleled creativity, which lasted from around 1963 to around 1976, has been systematically undermined by the Administration that he was instrumental in putting in power. Government efforts on behalf of clean air and water, fuel efficiency, workplace safety, consumer protection, and public health have been starved, stymied, or sabotaged in tandem with the shift of resources from public purposes to high-end private consumption, the increasing identity of government and corporate interests, and the growth of a cult of secrecy and arrogance that began well before September 11, 2001. Nader bears a very large share of responsibility for these spectacular traducements of his proclaimed values. So it is quite a tribute to the brilliance of his early achievements that an argument can still be made that the net effect of his career has been positive. That argument will no longer be plausible if Nader succeeds in doing in 2004 what he did in 2000.

more . . (don't know if the article is online or not, sorry)

[Cocoa]

25. I think Ralph knows what he's done

I don't think he's dealing with it very well. He needs mental treatment.

[HFishbine]

27. That lame argument

is like saying that Ross Perot deserves credit for Clinton's acheivements. Nader got only 2% of democrats in 2000. Bush got 11%. It was the dems own damn fault that they couldn't win in 2000, not Nader's.

[bobbyboucher]

30. Way off base.

Ralph isn't on anyone's side but the people's, and your take that he is a sychophant is utterly ridiculous.

Sometimes the truth hurts.

[seabeyond]

31. i disagree he is on the peoples side

the people have spoken to him. and he is listening to a small handful, not a majority. and he is willing to leave us with another 4 years of bush. so strongly i disagree he is for the people

[NNN0LHI]

32. I think Bush and his minions threatened Ralph?

After all he is of Lebanese decent. Maybe they told him help us beat Kerry or he would be spending the rest of his life in Guantanamo Bay as an illegal combatant wearing an orange jumpsuit munching on Fruit Loops? Who knows? I wouldn't put nothing past these bastards.

Don

[Solidarity]

33. Is That True?

'Bush administration officials defended the president's environmental record, citing proposed tax incentives for solar energy and hybrid-fuel vehicles. An official said the president had also tightened fuel efficiency standards for gas-guzzling SUVs from 20.7 mpg to 22.2 mpg .

"At least they can say that's more than the Democrats proposed under Clinton," said independent presidential candidate Ralph Nader.'

Is that true?

[John_H]

35. Relax. He's just taking care of his donors.

[Sparkly]

36. If I were Republican, I'd be thinking

"with opponents like Ralph Nader, who needs supporters?"