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Must_B_Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 07:16 PM
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Do we know for certain that Kim Jong Il is, infact, still alive?
If he were blown up in the collision, would they announce it right away or would they cut the communication lines for cover while they figured out what to do?

Crazy idea, but, the purposeful disruption of communication is the most revealing detail to me. Someone doesn't want people to know what happened or is happening.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 07:18 PM
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1. Do we know he was alive a month ago?
All we have is Dick Cheney's word on it and the NK media reports.
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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 07:22 PM
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4. And for that matter, is Dick Cheney still (or was he ever)
alive?
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doni_georgia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 08:00 PM
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12. Rumsferatu has been dead for years - or is that undead? n/t
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Eureka Donating Member (483 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 07:18 PM
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2. Its a good question
but Kim Jong Il always doesn't want people to know what happened or is happening, as far as I can tell.

So I'm not sure the information blackout signifies much, other than business as usual in North Korea.

But, it's a good question.
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Quetzal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 07:20 PM
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3. He was in China recently
like this past week. I am not sure if he was going back to North Korea or not today.
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doni_georgia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 08:01 PM
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13. According to Chinese and S. Koreans he was on way back to N. Korea
today. It is interesting, and we will just have to see.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 07:23 PM
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5. Interesting point.
My guess is that he is, but if he was dead, you wouldn't know it for some time.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 07:31 PM
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6. The longer the question remains unanswered, the more relevant
the question becomes. Would it surprise me if he was taken out? Not in the least. The level of deaths seem very high for this kind of accident, though. Given the extremist control NK has on it's society, this could be a simply case of wanting to kept the details from being leaked to the outside world, but this point was interesting-

"There were rumours the fuel was a gift from China to Kim and his energy-starved country, Yonhap said." Did the gift come with a surprise for Kim?

I suspect that few would weep the loss, in the country or around the world.
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 07:36 PM
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7. there have been several reports that he passed
through that station 8 to 9 hours prior to the explosion. The Bushies couldn't get that lucky.
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doni_georgia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 08:03 PM
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14. The numbers of deaths is extremely high
Is that even a major city? That's a lot of people in a 12 mile area.
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 07:40 PM
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8. How do we know who disrupted communications?
We do know that the US does fly communications jammer/spy planes up and down their coasts. We do know that the US disrupted communications during the recent Venezuelan coup attempt.
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DAGDA56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 07:46 PM
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9. A very good question, that calls for a shift in thinkin...
...for years, I suspect the US has had the capability of knocking off anybody whenever, wherever...the only thing that kept it from actually happening was a pragmatic government that thought about the consequences. You see what I'm getting at...
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 07:48 PM
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10. I'd be relieved if he just cut his hair
:silly:
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PartyPooper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 08:13 PM
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16. Don't hold your breath waiting for that. The dude's got a Napoleon Complex
So, his puffy hairdo and elevated shoes (he believes) make him appear taller..and, more venerable to the rest of the world.

:eyes:
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FL4GORE Donating Member (34 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 08:14 PM
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17. Well, there is that!
He does have quite a do!! LOL!

If he is dead look/listen for the somber music to start.
Has he picked a firm successor even?
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 07:52 PM
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11. Silence is the standard reaction
from Communist regeimes. When a disaster hits they silence all news until they can get a handle on it and then spin it in a positive light. SOP. Nothing to indicate that fearless leader is dead from this.
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 08:04 PM
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15. Its a trait of the Bushies too.
"When a disaster hits they silence all news until they can get a handle on it and then spin it in a positive light. SOP."


Sounds familiar.
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 08:16 PM
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19. Both my sister-in-laws are Chinese
and they say that they are amazed at the similarity between Bushies handling of the press and Communist China's. Its a bit unnerving to realise it has come to this.
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bigbillhaywood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 08:16 PM
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18. OF COURSE NOT!
Our glorious leader would never die and abandon his beloved people to the American imperialist pigs. Our Most Loved and Magnificent Leader will continue to bestow upon us his loving grace. His warm light will always illuminate our spirits, leading us down the path of peace, freedom, justice and prosperity.
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