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Must_B_Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 09:20 PM
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Is the Wedding Dress our Burqa?
Edited on Thu Apr-22-04 09:28 PM by Must_B_Free
couldn't help but notice the similarity in the veil that covers the face. Sure, you can see through ours, but isn't it rooted in the same tradition?

How can we revile their tradition so much when on some level, we participate in it?

http://www.wedfrugal.com/files/pactraditionveil.html
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KissMyAsscroft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 09:23 PM
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1. We revile them because our government wants their oil.


All other reasons are manufactured.

It's not like we are taking particular umbrage with the way Eskimos dress.

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Iceburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 09:25 PM
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2. Yes and No: A wedding dress cost considerably more :-)
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 10:23 PM
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14. Exactly.
Although it's an interesting concept. I never could understand why women desired that subservience thing.
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 09:27 PM
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3. Yes, to a degree
Even the symbol of the wedding ring harkens back to chains and shackles.

Marriage in Europe was re-codified according to Christian principles -- that is, Roman, Greek, and Hebrew principles -- as the church began to spread through Europe. A lot of it is symbolic of a feudal society's idea of marriage, which is utter subservience for the woman and a form of straw-boss slavery for the man.

When the time comes for me to wed, give me a new age chick who wants to write our own vows and get hitched by the High Druid under the sacred oak tree ... in the nude.

--bkl
Hopeless. Romantic.
But not always at the same time.

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shugah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 09:44 PM
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9. wedding ring symbolism
my understanding was that in old tymes, people believed that there was a vein (probably not called "vein" - but the equivalent perception at the time) that ran from the heart to the ring finger on the left hand, and that is why the band of gold is placed there - not shackled, but symbolic of love.

of course, i could remember this totally wrong. but i'm sure i read something like that somewhere.

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SOteric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 09:27 PM
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4. I'm not sure we can in anyway compare the two.
The original intention of the veil on Judeo-Christian and early Islamic women (and the head-coverings for men as well) was with the intent of preventing individuals from standing in the inner temple of god in flagrant display of their vanity.

Whatever the intent of the veil may have been, in the westernised wedding ritual, it's anything but a modesty piece. The cost is astronomical and typically used to enhance vanity rather than obscure it.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 09:28 PM
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5. There is a difference between wearing something once or twice
There is a difference between wearing something once or twice (or more in some cases) in a lifetime, and wearing something whenever one goes out.
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ashling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 09:33 PM
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6. Not all "wedding dresses" have a veil.
at my wedding, the bride was lovely in her red painters pants and springtime plaid short sleeve shirt, while the groom (that was me) was suave and debonair his brown corduroy jacket, faded blue jeans, and cowboy boots which were fashionably held together with duct tape (ahead of my time I guess).

That was 24 years ago (almost)

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Pithlet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 10:05 PM
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11. How true.
I was wearing a maternity outfit when I got married last year.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 09:35 PM
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7. Give me a break!
Brides who wear veils do so as a matter of choice. It's a recent tradition in the United States anyway, that didn't become popular until after WW II. The symbolism is highly debatable, and most veils don't cover the bride's face anyway. It is a matter of fashion, period.

This is definitely NOT equivalent to a repressive government that requires all women to be covered head-to-toe every time they go out in public, or be punished by beating with chains or even execution.
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John_H Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 09:37 PM
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8. Yes, Must-be-Free!! All those women walking around in wedding dresses
are required to do so by law! I see them at work, at the mall, picking the kids up from school, everywhere!!! Free the Brides!! Free the Brides!!
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Katie Donating Member (591 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 09:52 PM
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10. John.. Rofl!!
free the brides~! lmaoooo
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kittykitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 10:22 PM
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12. All kinds of veils and headcoverings everywhere
veils worn by nuns, veils worn by women in mourning (at funerals), veils worn by courtesons in harems, women in saris who cover their heads, Mary always shown with a veil--throughout history women have worn headcoverings of various styles.
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Redleg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 10:23 PM
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13. Only if you want it to mean that.
Otherwise, no.
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