Ldotters at war (with each other) & we get a mention, too!

[carrowsboy]

In regards to the woman photographing the soldier coffins....

http://www.lucianne.com/threads22.asp?artnum=133446

Reply 4 - Posted by: pomom, 4/22/2004 11:33:13 AM

''Silicio, a mother of three who previously worked as a Seattle-area event decorator and as a truck driver for a different contractor in Kosovo, took the photograph of 20 flag-draped coffins in a cargo plane about to depart from Kuwait International Airport on an unspecified day in April.''

Yes, and when that photo showed up on D.U. along with anti-war and anti-American statements, I knew instantly that whomever it was who took it was in trouble.

Go home with your hubby and be with your family, Tami.



Reply 6 - Posted by: thelmalou, 4/22/2004 11:35:13 AM

Buh-bye, chick. What a dork. Wonder what the specific concerns, or however they worded it, were that they fired the husband over? (Horrible grammar, but you get the point...)


Reply 7 - Posted by: smokehouse, 4/22/2004 11:41:33 AM

Your 15 minutes is up. Now go get another job. McDonalds maybe.


Reply 10 - Posted by: GOPJihad, 4/22/2004 11:48:34 AM

Ghoul.



Reply 12 - Posted by: Jackie, 4/22/2004 11:53:06 AM

She knew better.she broke the rules and now it is time to pay the piper.

Don't expect any tears from me... it was anti war..period!!


Reply 13 - Posted by: Sunflower, 4/22/2004 11:54:11 AM

The clintons started the practice of not photographing flag draped coffins during the kosovo War, this was a clintoonista act, and President Bush is still following it. Glad she got fired.


Reply 15 - Posted by: eightiron, 4/22/2004 11:56:26 AM

Good and make sure she is not recommended for any job other than septic tank cleaning.


Reply 16 - Posted by: hoplite moderne, 4/22/2004 11:57:23 AM

I don't get it with you people here. You blabber all day long about freedom of the press on other threads, but pictures of coffins scare you. THEY"RE COFFINS....BOXES WITH DEAD PEOPLE IN THEM....THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS IN WAR.
She didn't stick the lens IN the body bag!. She made a legitimate record of one of the facets of our endeavor. So what?

And if you are all so comfortable with this war, with our young people being killed in a war that is NOT going as planned, why are you so quick to condemn her?


Reply 22 - Posted by: MOTP, 4/22/2004 12:19:04 PM

IMHO...
... the same people who delighted in seeing the GRISLY AUTOPSY PHOTOS of the DEAD BODIES of Saddam's sons published in newspapers world-wide......
.....can't stand to see flag-draped CASKETS (NOT the dead bodies themselves) of their HEROIC soldiers who have been killed in a war supposedly fighting for our "freedom!"
If that isn't hypocrisy, I don't know what is.


Reply 23 - Posted by: fobo, 4/22/2004 12:21:57 PM

it's not hypocrisy; it's a rejection of moral equivalence.


Reply 24 - Posted by: veritas4ever, 4/22/2004 12:22:34 PM

I would settle for your body against Saddam's terrorist ,murdering, rapists sons. You suck.


Reply 32 - Posted by: Allegra, 4/22/2004 12:38:20 PM

The press thinks the American people are wimps who will see a coffin and give it all up.

Most of us realize we're in this for our survival, and they understand that this war will necessiate some tragic deaths.

I saw one of the pictures of an honor guard following a hearse on Drudge. It made me proud of our military, and grateful to their families.


Reply 35 - Posted by: Sunflower, 4/22/2004 12:45:36 PM

For the saddam lovers out there, who have no respect for our Military and their Loved Ones, Families back home, this is the proper thing to do. I would hate to look at those pictures, wondering if one of them were a Family Member, after I had just been notified. We don't need these haunting pictures. And for any pig who say we do, well, go join saddams gang, okay?????


Reply 38 - Posted by: youngtexan, 4/22/2004 12:53:14 PM

It's one thing to show the world proof of Saddam's sons being dead, so that the Iraqis can go out without being tortured. It's another when you've got troops coming home in coffins after defending our country.


Reply 50 - Posted by: Laocoon10, 4/22/2004 4:39:15 PM

I have no problem with seeing the sacrifice that has been paid or the care and love showered upon them by their comrades they lived and died with.

But I also understand the policy too. It ain't about censorship or patriotism or freedom of the press or glorification of fallen heroes. It's about the families of those who died. It's about refusing to objectify them or allow them to be made into propaganda pieces.

You want pics? Take 'em at the funerals...there's no rules against that. Take 'em of the weeping families, comrades, and friends. But that's not what you animals want is it? What you want is to reduce these magnificent heroes to cardboard objects for you to manipulate.

It jus' sucks to be YOU.


Reply 52 - Posted by: hoplite moderne, 4/22/2004 6:09:25 PM

MOTP makes an obvious, valid point.

We loved those pics of Ouday and Qusay, and rightly so. It was refreshing to see bad guys die by their own methods.

But somehow it's shameful and distasteful to look at coffins?...I understand she broke a company policy. So be it. She's fired. But the reactions here are the exact parallel of th efreaks at DU. DU freaks think it's distasteful to show the WTC attacks. I think they should be shown every 11th day of every month, as would most of you. But you all sneer at liberals when you sound exactly like them.


Reply 53 - Posted by: COGOP, 4/22/2004 6:14:26 PM

MOTP makes an obvious, valid point

.........

No he doesn't.

He's COMPARING the dead bodies of two ruthless butchers with those coffins of US soldiers who have been killed in battle.

I find it contemptible to say the least to make such a comparison.

In fact, I'd say that the post in #22 is more mockery than anything else.


Reply 54 - Posted by: hoplite moderne, 4/22/2004 6:20:27 PM

#25-

You think war is all flashy planes and shiny missiles, yet you mistake someone documenting the TRUTH about this and any war as a heretic not towing the GOP line. I don't give a damn why she did it.War is never clean, no matter how sanitized and pre-packaged your soft little mind would like it. It's an ugly business, and when simple minds forget it, that's when we go off the rails, and into the ditch where your thought process resides.

So keep your sanctimonious cr@p about "they died for you" to yourself. Yeah. They died, and I think every American is entitled to see the damage inflicted and decide if this action is worth it.


Reply 56 - Posted by: hoplite moderne, 4/22/2004 6:31:38 PM

"...But I am moved to tears by them and am reminded to pray for the safety of our soldiers...."

Precisely why these photos are legitimate.

The real reason why most of you in here don't like them is because they might sway public opinion about your darling President Bush. You're not truly confident in either your own political philosophy, nor in the success of W getting re-elected, so you want to censor these pics in the name of 'respect' for the families. Riiiiiight. You exhibit less respect even than you do testicular fortitude by denying the plain truth....some soldiers DIE there. At some point unless things turn around, we must question the veracity of our leaders.


Reply 57 - Posted by: Laocoon10, 4/22/2004 6:32:40 PM

No baby...I'll shove the sanctimonious cr@p down your throat.

The TRUTH is they you and your worm-lik ilk wish to USE and abuse these heroes for your selfish ideological purposes. You care nothing for them or anyone else. YOU shriek like a dried up old woman because you can't sipt on them like you're ideological allies did to my Dad during Vietnam. Well buckie...it jus' sucks to be YOU!

And they DID die for YOU...whether you like it...and whether you are worthy of it...or not.


Reply 61 - Posted by: hoplite moderne, 4/22/2004 6:44:30 PM

#57-

well, how atwitter you've become! Delightful.

The truth about this total FUBAR war is gnawing at you isn't it? You know that
opinion is waning, your position grows less defensible daily, (did you see O'Reilly last night?...hmmm?) and now you lash out in ignorance, calling a conservative, BUSH voter in 2000- 'a selfish old woman who spat upon your daddy'..typical of the flat-liners in here. YOU are the people who will in fact help a liberal puke-tard liek Kerry elected, because you present such a wild-eyed, lock-step image, that scares the daylights out of people who actually THINK things through.

BTW-my Dad fought so yours could even think about Vietnam. So jam it.


Reply 66 - Posted by: MOTP, 4/22/2004 8:21:52 PM

The posters hollering "she broke company rules" felt no such sentiment when government rules were broken by some administration official to reveal the identity of a CIA undercover agent (the wife of Mr.Wilson who blew the lid off the lie that Iraq sought to import uranium from Niger). Hypocrites!



Reply 67 - Posted by: rehash, 4/22/2004 8:40:09 PM

Such CR@P #66. Mrs. Wilson no longer qualified as an 'undercover' agent, and that's why there has been no indictment. Her own husband outed her, in his repulsive quest to be a mucky muck in the next state department if J F'ing Kerry wins. The Wilsons are such a slimbag pair, perfect DemoRats, they're more interested in photo shoots, and her perfectly coifed blonde hair, than they are in national security. The Clintons, writ small.



Reply 68 - Posted by: introvert, 4/22/2004 9:29:23 PM

moppy sounds like an irrational palestinian type. shouting for the camera while hiding behind his kids.

[Mari333]

1. gee the truth hurts doesnt it ...edit to add

these people need to enlist since they are so gung ho..they can take Michaels place over there.
send them some enlistment forms.]

[murielm99]

7. Mari, did you write a letter that was published in the Nation

a short time ago?

If not, it sounded like you. I thought about you and your son when I read it.

[Nlighten1]

2. My favorite...

"it's not hypocrisy; it's a rejection of moral equivalence."

"Moral" anything makes me sick to my stomach.

[phaseolus]

3. The obvious comment re: Clinton

I call bullshit on the allegation that Clinton refused to have coffins photographed -- because, with the exception of a handful of soldiers wh o died in Somalia because Bush I sent them there, there WERE NO military casualties during the Clinton years.

[librechik]

4. kill me now

:puke:

I think we are the ones in trouble if that's a fair sample of Murrkans.

[DBoon]

5. "Defending our country"

Yep, Iraq is a US possession now. We won it, we gotta defend it.

[NMDemDist2]

6. Blame Bill again?

"The clintons started the practice of not photographing flag draped coffins during the kosovo War, this was a clintoonista act, and President Bush is still following it. Glad she got fired."

I believe the NBC Evening News reported tonite that BushI put the restriction on the coffins, not Clinton.

"For more than 10 years, the Department of Defense has forbidden photographing or videotaping soldiers' remains being sent home, a practice that was commonplace in Vietnam and World War II."

http://www.temple-news.com/news/2003/10/30/Opinion/End-The.Ban.On.War.Pictures-543895.shtml

"A Washington Post story by Dana Millbank reports the Pentagon is enforcing for the first time a policy that dates back to Gulf War I: no pictures of flag-draped coffins. This is apparently an attempt to control what Gen. Hugh Shelton calls "the Dover test" -- the public reaction to photos of coffins that flow into Dover AFB in Delaware."

http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?ItemID=15888