My thoughts

[BobDCousy2004]

I must say that you're the most interesting bunch of people I ever met. Have you ever read www.imao.us? This thread describe you guys perfectly.

http://www.imao.us/archives/001215.html

Anyhoo, politics is dirty, and you should be careful when trying to demonize one party (Republicans) and then make the other party (Democrats) seem like they're perfect angels. Just because a Republican is president doesn't mean the world's going to end, no more democracy, chaos will reign. Bush is not the root of all evil, no matter how hard you try. Clinton is not the root of all that is good, no matter how hard you try. Both parties have bad parts, racists, rapists, liars, and cheats, but both parties do have good, such as believing in what they feel is best for America.

I feel that Bush isn't nearly as bad as you say he is. I know you believe he's an idiot, but he's surrounded by a great cabinet, all very qualified in their positions. I believe that Bush does try to do what's right, though sometimes it gets effy on how he argues his point across. lol.

I also must say that most people do not share your beliefs, and when you take the elitest side, saying, "Well, they're just idiots; we're so smart," you're not doing much to help convert middle-America to your side.

In conclusion, God doesn't serve either party. We serve Him.

Thank you, and good luck in the future as I will now be banned for not sharing your beliefs.


God doesn't serve to either party, we serve Him.

[freetobegay]

1. Ever hear of the grim reaper?

Knock knock?

[LittleApple81]

2. Spelling and closed-mindedness always give Bushits away...

"God doesn't serve to either party, we serve Him. " How do you know God is a HE? and the Repugs know HE works with their party and talks directly to their leader (at least he hears voices).
Bye, bye.

[bemildred]

3. What flavor is the Kool-Aid?

Sleep tight.

[kentuck]

4. All I can say is , just look at the results...

Bush is worse than we say. We are not saying we are smarter...we are saying you have your head up your ass.

[RandomKoolzip]

5. Oh my God!

I never had these ideas spelled out to me before! My mind is SO open now. Thank you for showing me the light.


Now let ME show you the door.....

[JPJones]

6. Bush lies, thousands die, but he's not that bad.

Apparently, God told Bush to invade Iraq. Right. Makes sense to me. I'm sure Jesus has a whole list of countries that he wants us to invade.

And by the way, don't let the door hit you on the way out.

[Robbien]

7. What is this God you speak of?

And who made me her/his/its servant?

[sendero]

8. You are a perfect...

... example of American ignorance. Buh-bye

[Name removed]

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[kentuck]

10. "God doesn't serve to either party, we serve Him. "

Tell that to George Bush, Jr...and his Father...who told him this war was the right thing to do....otherwise, he would not have gone to war, right?

[BobDCousy2004]

11. Thanks for proving me right! Bye!

[Puglover]

15. Good Lord

Care to explain what your moronic post was all about? (I know I should'nt feed the FReepers!)

[kentuck]

18. You just proved yourself wrong, little guy...

Because Bush said he talked with a higher Father...If his Father told him to not go to war, do you think he would have still gone? That's a simple question...come back and answer.

[kiahzero]

12. I guess I'll feed the troll

Thank you, and good luck in the future as I will now be banned for not sharing your beliefs.

Well, seeing as this is a board for progressives and liberals to discuss issues, and you are neither, why should you be allowed to stay?

I must say that you're the most interesting bunch of people I ever met. Have you ever read www.imao.us ? This thread describe you guys perfectly.

http://www.imao.us/archives/001215.html

Riiiight. Start off with an insult. That's a sure way to be persuasive.

Clinton is not the root of all that is good

Few claim that he is.

I feel that Bush isn't nearly as bad as you say he is. I know you believe he's an idiot, but he's surrounded by a great cabinet, all very qualified in their positions.

Hardly. One of the reasons troops are dying in Iraq right now at such a rapid pace is because of Rumsfeld's "fight the war on the cheap" theory. In case you haven't noticed, it doesn't work.

I also must say that most people do not share your beliefs, and when you take the elitest side, saying, "Well, they're just idiots; we're so smart," you're not doing much to help convert middle-America to your side.

Most people support Democratic positions when polled. They've just been conditioned by the media to believe that Democrats are something that they are not; this is not "elitism," it's classical conditioning and a fact of life.

On Edit: Pseudo-HTML typo, possibly to blame for the confusion.

[freetobegay]

17. Can you not speak for yourself?

You have to keep quoting other people. A mind is a treeible thing to waste.

[kiahzero]

24. What are you talking about?

Because I rebut the points of the OP, I'm not "speaking for myself?"

Generally speaking, in a logical arguement, one responds to the assertions of the other side. Otherwise, everyone is just spouting non sequiturs, and there's no point in even talking.

I could take your post as a personal attack, but I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt for now.

[freetobegay]

26. My apologizes kiahzero

I must have had a brain fart I thought I was responding to some else. I did not realize part of you statement was in quotes. Please accept my apology.

[kiahzero]

28. No problem

That's exactly why I give the benefit of the doubt. Most of the time, it's warrented.

My posting style is derived from Slashdot, where I used to post quite frequently. Italics signify quotes from a previous poster, or from a separate website if led or followed by a link.

[seabeyond]

13. thanks for sharing bob

god doesnt serve us, we serve him

i sit in the religious belt, raising a family. my children go to a baptist private school. and we live a life of love caring for each other and others.

for the last three years, the people around me, the people in my boys school, i feel more a need to reach out to the right and say, i am not the evil you create me to be. i am not unpatriotic because i vote democrat, i am not unchristian because i dont hate gays, or muslims. can you love me

i feel a strong need to reach out to the right, and say, in all my lite, knowing me for the last 6 years, even though i am liberal can you love me

so i ask you, when talking to the right, do you suggest the same to them, that the liberal isnt all evil, that the liberal is christian brothers and sisters, equally valuable as the baptist.

do you help them along the way, as i see you try to do here

[BobDCousy2004]

20. Yes

I feel that both parties do have their good. My sister is an extreme liberal, but I don't doubt her patriotism nor her beliefs in Christianity. The beauty of America is in our freedom of expression, and to embrace others, though their ideas may be different then ours.

Grammer error edit

[seabeyond]

31. i agree. i have no desire for a one party rule

we have a one party rule right now. are you empathitic to the party that for three years have been told they are not allowed freedom of speech. would that bother you, if a nation told you to keep your mouth shut and dont express, that only one party had the right to speak.

do you understand that we literally have been told we arent allowed to talk out loud. fundamentally that is a horrible thing for any party to do to another

i am not a liberal. i live conservatively.

i am a christian and have such a love of jesus, and have taught the teaching of jesus to my children. i have seen a lot of example of bush not being christian, yet the school tells my boys to honor him. isnt it my responsibility, obligation as a parent and christian to tell boys, wait a mintue.

bush lies, i do not have to create bush into something he is not, to honor him, i do not have to deny the liar bush is to love him. that is not my job as a christian

my husband is a republican, my father and two brothers are. and they are honest men, with integrity, and i love them so. it is their job and obligation to reach to their own party and say, we have taken the wrong path. we have to unite and fix this, the democrats cannot

the republican party right now isnt living in truth. and being a christian i assume, you know what this creates. so what is your part in it. do you acknowledge the lies bush say, still love the man, but acknowledge, or do you deny

cause in denial, you create the mess and the hate, equally with bush.

jesus says, you have a responsibility to not blindly follow. are you

personally, i pray for both parties to behealthy and strong and in integrity. both parties. we need them both. we need the morality of the right and we need the openminded of the left and we need it in love. and i am not seeing the republicans in any way desiring a sharing of creating such a unity, do you

[gpandas]

54. "morality of the right"? thanks for continuing...

to further a right wing, lying stereotype. believe me repugs have no lock on morality, unless you consider morality to include shooting, burning, and exploding human beings for no good reason, unless you think one religion should control our country, unless you believe that democrats are immoral because some of them choose to not accept a pre-babylonian myth as truth. i suggest you first read up on the deinition of "morality" before you vacantly suggest that one party is moral, implying that the other one isn't. also i have a few repug friends, and they are very open minded. this is the first post that has truly angered me in a year of reading du.

[seabeyond]

63. the best thing i heard in kerry's speech yesterday was the labels

i was talking the platforms and exactly the stereotypes you speak of, and the untruth in them. how the hypocrisy in believing exactly this. the ironic, as republican states their platform, fiscally responsible/family value......they are doing exactly the opposite

and as the democrats state theirs, they are not necessarily following them either.

first what we have to do is to dissolve this, but it only comes with talking openly aout it.

i am sorry that post made you so angry out of a whole year of post.

if i was talking to you, i would have used other words, but i wasnt talking to you, i was talking to bob.

[gpandas]

65. okay, i guess nt

[Neshanic]

33. Question Bob...Do love the sinner but hate the sin?

[Neshanic]

35. No answer, strict fundamentalist...verdict, waste of time.

[seabeyond]

37. it isnt a waste of time

it isnt for me. because what it allows is for me to listen and for me to bring it to a peace, for me to bring it to balance for me. and that is a healing. bob may get nothing from what i share. but i do.

so i thank bob for sharing, just so i could explore one more time.

i am not like bush, where i dont explore, where i sneer at deep thinking. i embrace it. and i thank bob for the opportunity to do it once more.

[BobDCousy2004]

38. Of I love the sinner...

I know Bush is a sinner, as all politicans are. I know I'm a sinner, so we're all in the same boat.

[Neshanic]

40. Nice try, but no cigar. Do you hate the sin, but love the sinner?

[BobDCousy2004]

41. Yes

[Neshanic]

48. Well, that makes you intolerant. Intolerance is not Christian.

and before you start quoting Bible verse, I must say you are a very polite freeper.

The Bible was re-written many times. That is a fact. If you believe in the Bible as absolute truth, then you will not last long here. Why? Because the Bible is a guide, not absolute. But it is, you may say. Then why do you not follow it to the letter, New AND old testament. Pretty hard these days, even Fallwell does not have enough stones to throw at the violators of the Bible.

I am speaking for myself only on this...others may believe differently, practice differently, live differently, and love differently...but they all are loved, no exclusions, no outcasts, no one person is less because of what was translated by men of a different time and agenda.

Contrast that with my fellow "Methodist", the "Christian" in the Whitehouse. No group too broad to divide, no issue too twisted to twist more to serve him and his agenda, this supposed Jesus devotee is anything but a Christian.

Your belief is your own, and the people who share your belief in the absolute of the Bible, make you impossible to speak with. Because you are ALWAYS right. God is on your side. I have stopped trying, because that is what it always comes down to.

Liberals are the true Christians, but we do not trumpet it to the world busking for money for new transmitters.

[seabeyond]

42. no we arent bob

we get to have a greater expectation from the man that leads us. that is why he is honored with the job. we get to have a greater expectation from the man who leads us in our christianity, that is why he gets that honor

bush doesnt get off with we are all sinners.

not when he doesnt allow the sins of others without heavy handed strong arm punishment. that is hypocrisy bob, and that is jesus's loudest gripe, from we the people

jesus walked into the commerce area and thru a fit, you remember. because of exactly that hypocrisy.

i havent seen any republicans stand up and say to the oklahoma governnor, you cannot call someone who votes for kerry a terrorist.

i have not heard a fellow right christian stand up and say to their fellow christians, you cannot threaten death to the gay, or the muslim or the liberal or gorelick the 9/11 commissioner

that is too easy of an out bob. and that is why bush has to go and the republicans and the fundamentalist have to review their behavior the last handful of years. because they are being hypocrits as they preach sin to me

no i am not being sinner bob, i am living my life as i am asked, i am doing what i am suppose to do. i am loving my family and loving strangers and loving you

and i am perfectly imperfect in jesus eye, and in my mistep i hear it loudly, and i feel the comfort and love of jesus, and that helps to heal me, to allow me to let my lite shine even brighter.

do you know that is what jesus asks of us. let you lite shine, do not hide it under a bushel. that is easy enough to do, by being love

[BobDCousy2004]

46. It is bad...

to see Republicans do things like that. I also think it's bad to see Bush compared to Hitler and Saddam and terrorists, and all those things with the LIHOP/MIHOP. Republicans must stand down on saying democrats are unpatriotic, just as democrats must stand down on saying, "Bush is worse than Hitler" as I see from here and from protesters.

[seabeyond]

49. you know what would take care of that bob

and this is maybe pointing the finger in the appropriate place.

when after 9/11 government orginaztions say out loud we need to keep mouth shut. that is repression happening. when government brings religion into state, that is repression. when government creates all citizens as criminal, that is repression. (sometime i will have to tell you my experience at my little ole airport in amarillo texas, 6:30 in morning with my two boys and husband going to florida for vacation)

when you have our leaders doing all in secrecy, when they implememnt in law and constitution repression.

so i suggest, is it the democrats fault that there is a feel of nazism, or has bush and company created a reality to allow the feel. see bob, i am raising a 6 and 9 year old boys, and i teach them to own their part in something

now the 9/11, how much research have you done. it is amazing the coincidences. i would love to say, stop all saying lihop, but the thing, lordy. there is a lot of information out there. in your own time, in the peace of your own home, you might check it out to see why people are saying this.

bob, after 9/11 i was a we have to back bush. we have to unite. the iraq war, i was this is going to be vietnam, but when i saw bush ready to go in, i told husband we are goint o have to trust he knows something i do not. adn if he lies, we will find out, and he will be in trouble

i tell you, i have done my part in being supportive and playing my role of citizen.

i put it on bush's shoulders. i dont have to own his mistakes, they are his to own

and bob, thank you for this sharing, and the allowing for me to express. whether we conclude the same or not does not matter. what matters is the allowing of each other.

bush is not indicitive of republican, he is not representive of who you are as a republican, and truth doesnt hurt, it is the fear, which is illusion, but if you allow yourself to see the truth of what is being created there isnt pain, and then the power you have to create good. with your party. and your party needs work

do the democrat have issues, you betcha. as i say, i am conservative, i tell my boys right now, i am democrat, cause they need my help and support right now. but as soon as it is time, i am going to be presenting the truth of democratic party, and a lot of democrats see places we need to work on, that i assure you. it is just not the time right now for the democrats. the republicans have all the power, and they are creating the mess in this now

[seabeyond]

55. my husband started a business two years ago

a bad time. he is computer dude. and companies arent putting money into local communities. they just stopped about two years ago. so he is downsizing and trying to save his quarter million investment, and not declare bankruptcy. and continue to be able to feed his family and keep a roof over our head and pay for their private fundamentalist christian school, because living in texas, bush has taken the money out of the public schools and they are horrible, and i wussed out. i didnt support our public schools, i was selfish with my childrens education. and that is my hypocrisy i share with you. so i am going to take a shower, and go help him move his stuff into his other building.

truly bob, you gave me a gift in sharing you time. thank you

[Vickers]

50. Especially when pactically every Republican avoided military service

Jeebus, what a bunch of skeerdy cats!

See, when folks compare Georgie to Hitler, there is at least a modicum of similarity there (revocation of basic rights, attacking other countries unprovoked, etc.).

As a matter of fact, there is only ONE area where they diverge: Hitler was in fact a gen-yoo-wine war hero, and as we all know, Georgie had his teeth cleaned.

[BobDCousy2004]

52. ok..that's just dumb (n/t)

[Vickers]

56. Nice retort! Typical repug horseshit, when cofronted with the facts

back down like a good little dog!

*yap, yap!*

Good boy!

[BobDCousy2004]

57. ok

Yeah, I'm sure all Bush wants to do is world domination, kill all Jews, gays, handicapped people, and Muslims because they're inferior.

[kentuck]

61. No. He just wants their votes....

Political power is all he cares about. Because to get his agenda thru, he must be in power.

[BobDCousy2004]

58. ok

Yeah, I'm sure all Bush wants to do is world domination, kill all Jews, gays, handicapped people, and Muslims because they're inferior.

[Vickers]

59. Finally, a moment of clarity for you!

Actually, two moments of clarity!

:toast:

Dude, you just might make it! Congratulations!

Garsh, the Lord told me this morning that I would make a difference in someone's life and *sniff* it's true, it's true!

[Neshanic]

60. Bob, quit while you can, it is imbarrasing for you...please.

[seabeyond]

62. have you listened to republican supporters

i believe that is exactly what they are saying. atomic bomb fallujah.

sitting in a chapel a month or two ago, talking to a woman, she told me, better the battle is in iraq and they are dieing than here in the u.s.

better we kill innocents in another country than have our own die.

does this bother you. it does me. she goes to church sunday and wednesday and doesnt miss a day.

was sad for me. for a moment. until i simply accepted she is just not aware, just a sheep not thinking. all life is valuable. equally

that is the christian way

[Neshanic]

39. Well I am happy for you, I do not get Zen moments from his kind.

[RandomKoolzip]

14. What's the point, dude?

Are you a masochist or do you REALLY think you'll convert anyone to your way of thinking? Or do you just wanna get some licks in before we pigpile you? Does Free Republic allow liberals? No. So why should we allow conservatives? DUH! Whay is this so hard for freepers to understand?!?

This isn't a sandbox, it's a message board FOR LIBERALS. Read the rules, man.

[Vickers]

16. God told me to call you a meathead.

Meathead.

Sorry, man, just doing the Lord's work.

Meathead.

Oops! He told me to do that again.

[senseandsensibility]

21. HA! HA!

LOL

[Thione1n]

27. Hahahahaha!

I love it!

[ihaveaquestion]

19. What about Clinton?

Is he as bad as the freepers say? How open minded are you really? Not very, I'd say.

[BobDCousy2004]

23. Did I say he was bad? (N/T)

[wolfgirl]

22. Gotta take issue

with your comments; although I agree we should not label people. BUT - Bush has not surrounded himself with the best & the brightest. If he had, I'd rest easier 'cause I would believe that decisions were reasoned out and based on fact. This is obviously NOT taking place. What Bush has done is surround himself with narrow-mindedness. All you have to do is listen to them. Really listen.

For the sake of argument - Bush may be a well-intentioned individual, but good intentions are not enough. Most especially when you are the president of this great country.

There is a lot of name calling out there - on both sides of the political field. I go beyond and look for the substance, the truth and what is right. That's what we as citizens should do.

As for God - I feel our Creator is not happy with us; but, God does not and will not take sides! God won't intervene, especially when we don't use the greatest gift bestowed on humans - a brain!

[markses]

25. Your thoughts?

But aren't you quoting a post by somebody else?!?

Bizarre and sad.

[NMDemDist2]

29. "Bush isn't nearly as bad as you say he is." here's his cabinet

"but he's surrounded by a great cabinet, in their positions . I believe that Bush does try to do what's right, though sometimes it gets effy on how he argues his point across. lol."

Dept of Commerce, Donald (Donnie) Evans

George II's closest friend and confident. As his presidential campaign chairman, he raised $100 million. Only worked for one company in his life: Tom Brown, Inc., an oil and gas company. Nine years as President and 10 yrs as CEO. No Wall Street or economic experience at all.

Office of Budget & Management, Mitch Daniels

Corporate VP for Eli Lilly & Co. pharmaceuticals for the last 13 years. The two things he'll be doing in his job is drafting the national budget and dealing with tax issues; he is completely without experience in either arena. Served as political director under Reagan (85-87). Headed right-wing think tank Hudson Institute. A key player in Quayle's VP campaign.

Dept of Housing & Urban Development, Melquiadees Martinez

George II's thank-you kiss to Florida. His only housing experience is serving as chairman of Orlando Housing Authority for two years (84-86). He's very vocal on right-wing Cuban issues; he has called for a naval blockade of Cuba. A yes-man who has no clue about housing.

Dept. of State, Colin Powell

In Vietnam, Powell's casual investigation rejected as false initial charges of a civilian massacre at My Lai. As a member of Reagan's national security team, he personally arranged the illegal transfer of at least 2,000 missiles to Iran. In his autobiography, Powell claims that he was "the chief administration advocate" for the Contras. Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff for both the invasion of Panama (and decimation of civilian neighborhoods) and the Gulf War. Powell has been dismissive of Gulf War Syndrome, while 184,000 of the 697,000 Gulf War troops have filed disability claims with the government. Powell has no experience with diplomatic matters of state.

Dept of Treasury, Paul O'Neill

Was deputy director of Office of Management & Budget under Ford. Chairman of Alcoa Corp., one of the nation's largest toxic polluters; O'Neill's shares are worth more than $50 million. Political policy insider, no Wall Street or economic experience. Supports balanced federal budget, critic of Federal Reserve interest rate hikes. Chair of the board of Rand Corp., serves on other right-wing think tank boards


http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=10339

[Vickers]

30. Bwahahahahaha! I went to your loser site, and it's filled with ...

...little boys who play soldier games on their computers, and then they sit around and brag about their DAD'S war stories!

Yer pathetic, dude!!!!!

*wiping tears from eyes*

Aw man, this is better than The Daily Show!

[Goldmund]

32. "I know you believe he's an idiot, but he's surrounded by a great cabinet"

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

You know, you're right in a strange way. I only wish his cabinets were idiots -- their efficiency in wrecking the world would surely not be what it is.

[slinkerwink]

34. I don't think that a president is supposed to be surrounded by a "good"

cabinet to help make up for his intellectual defiencies. Besides, Condileeza Rice didn't sound like a very good National Security Advisor because she relied for people to come to her about intelligence instead of taking the initiative! Also, Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz were horribly wrong in their predictions about Iraq, and as of now, they still have NO idea who they are going to transfer Iraq to because they didn't even bother to plan to have a post-invasion plan in place!

Besides, many of the people here are NOT elitists---they are normal middle-class Americans like you. You really shouldn't be typecasting before with right-wing talking points.

[Cocoa]

36. not a bad parody

pretty funny, I thought. But the rest of the site is pretty lame, and your comments in your post are off the mark and not that interesting.

[BobDCousy2004]

43. Question

What's a Repug?

[kentuck]

44. Our feeble attempt to come up with something to match DemoRat....

But somehow, we are not capable of stooping as low as our opponents, as you can see.

[seabeyond]

45. republican

grinnin, but you knew that didnt you. lol lol and a hug

[kentuck]

47. By definition, "liberals" are more "Christian" than conservatives...

Because Christ was the original "bleeding heart liberal". Liberals will not admit this but the whole liberal philosophy is based more on the teachings of Christ than any other person or idea. Feed the hungry, love your enemy, blessed are the peacemakers, etc...not something found in the conservative philosophy.

Yes, many liberals don't want to admit that they are Christians in belief and practice. They even disavow the religion of Christianity as they practice Christianity in their political beliefs...

[kentuck]

51. Here's a cartoon from nostamj that might help to clarify....

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

53. Which God? And, who says that God is a "him"?

There are so many to choose from. And, how do you know what God does or doesn't do, think or doesn't think? Or, which side he/she/it is on?

As for believing Bush "does try to what's right for the country..". Like what? Taking us into an unnecessary war? Raping the environment? Trying to make it illegal for women to deal with their own bodies? Making the education system a class based system open only to the affluent? Endlessly yammering about "freedom" while attempting to shut it down here? Promoting "democracy" by invading, occupying and subjugating another country and slaughtering it's citizens?

His idea, and apparantly yours, of "doing what's right" is somewhat divergent than that of most of the people of the world.

[SuffragetteSal]

64. Enabler, co-dependent

narrow minded. Friend thanks for your opinion but I am afraid you are in need of therapy more than any of us here. For now I bid you adieu.

[Paradise]

66. (1)News of the Universe: Life at the Edge of Discovery

"Just because a Republican is president doesn't mean the world's going to end, no more democracy, chaos will reign."

Well, Bob, we're talking about *, here, and his Vulcans, and chaos IS reigning!

(Snip)
"The great English poet, John Milton, in his epic poem Paradise Lost, argues that the preservation of the freedom of the human will is the most important feature of man’s existence,'

'The mind is its own place, and in itself

Can make a heav’n of hell, a hell of heav’n.

What matter where, if I be still the same,

And what I should be, all but less than he

Whom thunder hath made greater? Here at least

We shall be free; th’ Almighty hath not built

Here for his envy, will not drive us hence:

Here we may reign secure, and in my choice

To reign is worth ambition though in hell:

Better to reign in hell, than serve in heav’n.'

'Milton is proposing that it is better to compromise everything, even the possibility for salvation and goodness, in order to preserve the vital and unparalleled power of the freedom of the human will. Many agree with Milton that life would hold little meaning if it was somehow proven that free will does not exist."
(Snip)

http://www.duke.edu/~mjd/chaos/Ch3.htm

(1)Nowhere could you have experienced 'free will' more than you would have right here on DU!!! That is, if you weren't leaving us. :hi: bye bye

[Rationality]

67. Yeah I read it.

You're right. Politics is very dirty, but you know what? This is the Democratic Underground, a political site, and as long as Republicans are in office shoveling shit in our direction, we will respond in kind.

Also, if you think we all think Clinton is the root of all good, then you clearly don't understand what we are, how we think, or what we do. You and your friends over on the other side of the asile can try to make it seem as if we worship Clinton at our liberal altars all you want, but that isn't often the case. A more accurate description, IMHO, would be that we are trying to set the course of the nation so that we are, in foreign and domestic affairs, a more perfect union.... but I think I'll stop there because we have our own opinions (contrary to what many of your fellow Republicans would like to think) and I cannot represent everyone here.

One thing I will add is that you calling us "elitist" is rather amusing. You people accuse us of raising taxes to support a socialist state and also accuse us of promoting that evil concept we call "welfare," then you call us "elitist?" MAKE UP YOUR MIND, BROTHA!

I know you're already banned and all and probably aren't reading this, but if you're actually for a debate, I hang around in LP, and I'll be glad to challenge you there. Until then, enjoy your new lawn ornament!

[LynzM]

68. Ok, here's my take:

Anyhoo, politics is dirty, and you should be careful when trying to demonize one party (Republicans) and then make the other party (Democrats) seem like they're perfect angels. Most of us here wouldn't call dems "perfect angels". Every human has faults. However, we would like a leader who thinks about what they are doing, and can accept responsibility, and evaluate the long-term affects of their decisions. Just because a Republican is president doesn't mean the world's going to end, no more democracy, chaos will reign. Bush is not the root of all evil, no matter how hard you try. Clinton is not the root of all that is good, no matter how hard you try. I would never claim either of those things. Neither would anyone with more than about 12 brain cells. But Clinton did a lot of good for this country, and Bush has done it a lot of harm. Both parties have bad parts, racists, rapists, liars, and cheats, but both parties do have good, such as believing in what they feel is best for America. Agreed. But that doesn't mean I have to agree with what they believe is best. Nor do you. That's one of the beauties of this country that is quickly being forgotten.

I feel that Bush isn't nearly as bad as you say he is. I know you believe he's an idiot, but he's surrounded by a great cabinet, all very qualified in their positions. I believe that Bush does try to do what's right, though sometimes it gets effy on how he argues his point across. lol. No comment.

I also must say that most people do not share your beliefs, and when you take the elitest side, saying, "Well, they're just idiots; we're so smart," you're not doing much to help convert middle-America to your side. I would call a lot of americans misled and ignorant. I don't believe most people are truly stupid. And yeah, calling people names won't help convert them. But then, you give what you get, in many cases.

In conclusion, God doesn't serve either party. We serve Him. YOU serve him. Again, the beauty of America is that we all should be free to believe what we wish, and have our religious beliefs separate from our government. You're right, neither party ought to serve any religious figure, as a party.

I think you may have had a couple of valid points, but you lost them in the accusatory and purposefully provocative nature of your post. Sorry.

[onecitizen]

69. Buh-bye..............

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[onecitizen]

70. Who cares WHAT you thinK?

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