who REALLY were those 4 mutilated contractors? Cuz why the hell is

[homelandpunk]

pResident fuckwipe ready to raze Fallujah over 4 fucking mercenaries when in fact there are over 700 soldiers who have been killed over there? He is not taking revenge for that. And please don't tell me it's cuz fuckwipe is pissed cuz they were mutilated. They were mercenaries. Not soldiers. So who REALLY were they? I know they were not Bush relatives, cuz the Bush's are pussies. But yet it makes fuckwipe want to kill innocents over the incident. So..... WHO WERE THEY?

[aquart]

1. Not sure it is George. Kimmit is pretty dim himself.

[goclark]

2. DimKim n/t

[No2W2004]

3. Don't know who they were......yet

but as far as Shrub, it's the old Nazi method.

For every one of ours killed, we kill 1000

[homelandpunk]

6. My point is they were not soldiers and fuckwipe is NOT taking revenge

for soldiers...he is taking revenge for some fucking mercenaries. A mere four. So they musta had some special mission Bush and boss Cheney had their filthy hands in. Otherwise no accounting for revenge on four dumbass cro-magnon mercenaries while 700 of the REAL soldiers deaths are taken in stride.

[No2W2004]

9. right,

but these 4 got shown (kind of) on network TV strung up on a bridge. That's bad for business.

[Crunchy Frog]

13. That's only because the powers that be

wanted those pictures to be shown on TV. They sure didn't raise a stink over it like they did when the pictures of flag draped coffins showed up.

They wanted people to see the images and get all worked up.

[No2W2004]

18. Thanks for getting me more curious about this,

http://arkansas.indymedia.org/feature/display/3257/index.php



What is not being reported in the corporate media is that the four Americans killed in Fallujah on Wednesday were all working for Blackwater USA, a firm that recruits ex-military types, like discharged Navy SEALS, to form what is essentially a private army, outside of public knowledge and accountability. Nor is the corporate media reporting that the U.S. military is relying more and more on such private mercenary armies, as resistance intensifies within Iraq.

Democracy Now is virtually the only news organization reporting any of this. They went into some of the truth about Blackwater in an interview Amy Goodman did with reporter Barry Yeoman:

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AMY GOODMAN: We're joined now by investigative reporter, Barry Yeoman. Last year he wrote a major article for "Mother Jones" on these private security firms titled, "Soldier of Good Fortune." He joins us on the phone. In these brief few minutes we have, Barry, can you talk about Blackwater and the men now in Fallujah, from Blackwater, U.S.A.

BARRY YEOMAN: Sure. Blackwater is a small player in a very big field. We have seen ten-fold growth in private military firms since 1991 when we were in the first Gulf War, we typically hear about Halliburton and Dynacorp. They really are big players. However, Blackwater is a small company that has very big dreams. It was founded by a group of Navy Seals. It's headed by a former Navy Seal, who told me his goal was to build the largest private army in the world. He has talked about expanding to serve militaries in France and other places, and right now has contracts that he says are so secret that he is not able to tell one branch of the Feds that he's working for a different branch of the Feds. They provide all sorts of military services. As you know, with no-bid contracts sometimes. They stop short of combat, but it's often hard to see the line between what's combat and what's not combat.

I'm probably not gonna sleep now....

[No2W2004]

25. After more research,

Blackwater provides security for L. Paul Bremer.

So, there are 4 people riding around who are probably known for hanging around the CPA at the very least. Could they have been specific targets? Could the Iraqis been aiming for Bremer? Were the Blackwater people on some kind of mission? Doing recon maybe? To me, it isn't starting to look like it was as random as we are led to believe.

Blackwater is scary if you read about it. A private,global,armed force, totally outside anyones control.

[krkaufman]

20. Exactly

Exactly right, CrunchyFrog. I just posted the same opinion below.

A recent poll analysis opined that Bush is doing better at present because of increased sphincter-tightening of the American public -- and for some inconceivable reason they continue to view * as stronger than Kerry on defense, war on terra, etc.

So, unless the American public cops a frickin' clue, we can expect further fear-mongering from the * Campaign, fron now through November.

I'm not sure we're going to make it through this campaign, let alone 4 more years.

[madrchsod]

4. why? because that young

muslim cleric challenged bush`s authority to rule iraq. bush could give a shit about these guys..that "brown bastard" told bush to "bring it on"...bush has to prove his manhood with the lives of our troops and the people of iraq...it`s personal with bush....

[Crunchy Frog]

12. No, Sadr has nothing to do

with Fallujah, and his militia had no role whatsoever in the killings of the four mercenaries. Totally different incidents, people, locations. Fallujah is Sunni, Sadr and his militia are Shia.

What's happening in Fallujah is completely tangential to what's been happening in Najaf and Karbala.

No, I think it is the city of Fallujah itself that has been challenging Bush's authority, and for a long time before those mercenaries got killed.

[MrPrax]

24. Sadr and Fallujah...nothing?

Well they both were attacked by the occupational force...so there is one similarity...almost simultaneously to such a point that the Poles and Brits, Aussie commanders complained about not even being told.

The sunni/shia thing is amusing...really

You forgot about Basra of course...coz that doesn't really fit the narrative...

"Fallujah itself that has been challenging Bush's authority"

Deep programming at play ...of course you meant Sunni's are challenging their right to their own land and stuff and you forgot about even Chabali is complaining about how the 'ba'athists' are being brought back to positions of authority...

God love a free press...

[Crunchy Frog]

26. I'm not really sure what you're saying

or whether you are agreeing or disagreeing or something in between with what I'm saying.

I do hope you're not trying to accuse me of being programmed by the corporate media.

Of course everything that happens there is linked in some form because it's all part of the same war and the same larger scale dynamic.

That being said, Sadr has no involvement with Fallujah other than some recent expressions of solidarity. He is part of a completely different geographic, religious and cultural area of Iraq and IMO could not possibly have been involved in the incident with the mercenaries.

What's going on with Sadr and his militia is part of a different dynamic, although obviously linked through the larger dynamic.

I hope I've just made myself as clear in this post as you did in yours.:)

[scarface2004]

5. cretin bush loves killing.....

can t get enough blood...its orgasmic!!!

[xray s]

8. Remember Karla Faye Tucker?

Here is how Govenor Bush responded to her pleas for mercy before her execution...

"Please," Bush whimpers, his lips pursed in mock desperation, "don't kill me."

[pnorman]

7. "Unlawful Combatants"

For that and a few other reasons, Bush is soon going to wish he had never HEARD the words: "Shock & Awe"

pnorman

[bemildred]

10. It's the image thing, the lack of respect.

Can't have the natives thinking they are our equals.
The barbecue, the hanging from the bridge, very bad images.
Have to do something or things may spin out of control, see?
If it hadn't been all over the news, it would have been ignored,
no need to make an example, and so on.

[homelandpunk]

11. No, see, I said it is NOT cuz they wee mutilated or "image" crap.

It's not. We could have four LEGITIMATE soldiers mutilated tomorrow and it would be news, but Bush would not take revenge. It is something else. Bush cares about mercenaries more than soldiers. Why? Because they were working for Big Business...they were not pledged to the constitution...they were there to help Bush's buddies make money. THAT is the reason. Bushco's profits were attacked when the mercenaries were killed.
700 soldiers...who in Bushworld fucking cares? There is no profit loss there. Do I really have to explain this?

[Crunchy Frog]

15. The mercenaries are so much more expensive

than the ordinary soldiers are, and they cost even more dead than they do alive.

[bemildred]

16. Eh, so we disagree.

We have different opinions as to Dumbo's motives.
Good luck with that.
:hi:

[Crunchy Frog]

27. Does anybody remember that practically the same thing

happened to a couple of our actual soldiers in an incident in Mosul,(I'm pretty sure), several months ago.

There were a couple of days of shock and outrage, but then the story simply faded away, and almost no one even remembers it now.

It must have fit someone's agenda for this particular incident to be blown up to the extent that it was.

[KerryThatWeight]

14. I think it's a language issue

The message was lost in the translation or everything after "Cuz" was lost...

[Name removed]

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[JanMichael]

17. They're an excuse. An excuse to commit murder.

Nothing more, nothing less.

Matter of fact those four dead "contractors" mean nothing anymore, it's all about that Sadr guy now.

They're a convenient segue.

[mhr]

30. What If The Blackwater Mercs Were Lead To Death On Purpose

to justify the pacification of Fallujah?

Seems as plausible as any other theory and certainly explains the media released images and heightened * interest in the Fallujah situation.

One has learned that a circumspect approach to these intrigues is needed to come up with interesting and plausible conjectures.

[krkaufman]

19. Your mistake...

Your mistake is thinking that there needs to be a rational reason, or any reason for that matter, for the actions of this f___wipe, as you call him.

machismo?
racism?
fanaticism -- religious, political or economic?

I don't think it can be linked. 'cause the guy's lost it.

Although....

... I've been wondering, after reading/hearing a recent poll analysis, whether some of the latest missteps of pResident f___wipe might have been intended to increase chaos in Iraq and across the Middle East -- in order to increase fear in the American public, and shift them towards a more militant stance.

jomo...

----
- Fallujah reprisal siege: as stated, why do these 4 killings warrant such special attention? Fallujah is a known insurgent stronghold. The best medicine for such towns is to get the rest of the country prospering, and then they'll get on board 'cause they don't want to be left behind. Quarantine them, maybe, to protect the rest of the country, but don't play into their hands.
- al Sadr offensive (shutdown of paper, arrest of lieutenant, promise of al Sadr's capture): same as Fallujah. Why must al Sadr be addressed NOW? It's a political matter for the Shiites to work out. Left alone, he has little power; only through our military response does he gain followers.
- siding w/ Sharon on lopsided unilateral move in Palestine/Israel conflict: * might as well have pissed on the Palestinian flag. What a diplomatic f___up. Did he fail to ask Powell's opinion on this one, too? Do we even *HAVE* a State Department any more?
- appointment of Negroponte as US Ambassador to Iraq: linked to death squads, linked to Iran-Contra scandal that funded the arming of Iraq's enemy, the man who lied to the UN in order to create a facade of legitimacy for *'s invasion of Iraq. * couldn't have proposed a more controversial candidate.
- Bremer announcement of full sovereignty on Iraqi television, almost immediately contradicted as only partial: nuff said.

[jdunn]

21. Seeing the dead

makes it all seem real for Chimpy. That's probably why Rummy won't allow the corpse boxes to be shown on TV and in the papers - otherwise the Chimperor would probably have already nuked the place.

[starroute]

23. They want somebody to make an example of

It's mob-boss type thinking. Grab the first person who looks at you funny and turn them into a thin film of slime on the concrete. After that, all the rest will know to toe the line.

I think Chomsky talks about this somewhere. That isn't important, though -- it's a pretty obvious tactic. Some of these shock-n-awe types were awfully disappointed that Iraq fell so easily last year, because it didn't give us a chance to make the Iraqis properly afraid of us. Now, they're more than glad to remedy that situation.

[0007]

28. When the time is right and when it is politically advantages,

the names will be revealed.

[seemslikeadream]

29. Special treatment for NASA NFL PMCs

[Wilber_Stool]

31. Who were they?

I just posted this link not ten minutes ago. .http://allafrica.com/stories/200404190944.html

[bobbieinok]

32. could you discuss some of your conclusions/deductions/theories about this?