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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 01:46 PM
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Poll question: World Government - Yes or No
Is the eventual establishment of a world government a goal to be desired? An inevitable development?
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corporatewhore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 01:49 PM
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1. i prefer no gov or community based gov w/o hierarchy but thats
Edited on Sun Apr-25-04 01:56 PM by corporatewhore
just the anarcho commie in me
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 01:51 PM
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2. We need government
At least to control corporations and to prevent history from repeating itself, if capitalism is to be the system of choice.

People MUST be free to be themselves off-the-clock though.
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Donkeyboy75 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 01:56 PM
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3. I agree with your points, toad, but I don't think it would happen
that way. I'm afraid that the rich and powerful countries would commandeer the world government, and the poorer countries would be even more marginalized than they already are.
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corporatewhore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 01:57 PM
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4. government is owned by.....
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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 02:01 PM
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5. World government is a bad, bad idea
Once the fascists take the government, that's it. Nowhere to move to, nobody to challenge it's dominance.
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lostnfound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 03:39 PM
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11. After 3 yrs of Bush as POTUS (rotus?) I agree. nt
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 02:25 PM
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6. "World" good -- "government" bad
Edited on Sun Apr-25-04 02:27 PM by starroute
I've worried since I was a kid about the totalitarian potential of a world government. It's not just a matter of freedom -- creativity also depends on having places that are outside the system, where you can do things that don't obey the current norms.

On the other hand, the current condition of endless wars over resources and exploitation of poor nations by the rich is not a good thing either. Especially if the world's resources are about to become a lot scarcer, we going to need to work cooperatively rather than competitively to get through the crunch.

What it comes down to is that governments, like corporations, are a bad thing no matter how competitive or monopolistic they are. Instead of squabbling over the question of world government, we should be trying to envision an alternative global system that can protect the entire planet and all creatures on it without trying to enforce a rigid set of laws and restrictions.

I'm not sure just how that would be accomplished, but I do know a few things about it. One is that it wouldn't look much like current governments or current corporations. Another is that is would have to be designed in such a way that it could not be perverted into an instrument of personal power, but would still be strong enough to resist attempt by warlords and pirates to capture or destroy it.

I tend to think that it might resemble the Internet in certain ways -- a distributed network of services and enterprises with no central core that could be either seized or destroyed. Over the next few years, we're going to see whether the Internet itself can resist the attempts of governments and corporations to control, co-opt, and regulate it out of recognizability. If it can, it is likely to become the paradigm for much else in human affairs.
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bigbillhaywood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 02:56 PM
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8. Yes. Yes. Yes. Great analysis! Looking forward to reading your other posts
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SarahB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 02:31 PM
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7. I believe we already have one
It's based on money and corporate profits.

For example, Communism and human rights abuse are "bad" unless it's China and money to be made in trade. Or countries that abuse the rights of women are bad unless they contain a lot of oil or you're trying to build a pipeline there.

There's so much hypocrisy with our government and we have a lot of influence on the lives of people throughout the world. More than any other government. I see no standards other than the standard of greed.
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JPace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 03:00 PM
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9. A World government would eventually have a
world size army to enforce its laws....a very bad
thing to happen.

Just look at the power of the federal government
over the state governments and now under AWOL how
its power is being abused to enforce what the people
do not want.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 03:02 PM
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10. What's the difference between World Gov't and Hitler's ideas?
I wasn't much of a student of history, but if I remember, his idea was to rule the world too, wasn't it?
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