To all you doom and gloomers regarding election 2004! Take a look at this!

[trumad]

This is being reported as one of the biggest protest marches ever! If you don't think that folks in this Country are ready to turn out by the millions to dump Bush, YOU'RE WRONG!

This is very inspiring!

[childslibrarian]

1. It is.

It makes my heart glad. Thank you for posting.

[Robbien]

2. 1,150,000 people who are definitely voting against Bush

And it was inspiring to hear how much each and every speaker knew what was on the line come this November.

[trumad]

3. Damn good point...

[crossroads]

7. Wish I could have been there in person

Great news!!! Picks my spirit up...! Thanks for posting.

[mdmc]

56. Welcome to DU, Crossroads!

I am a gloom and doomer. While I think that it is great that so many people support abortion rights, I also think that this election will come down to "You are either with us, or you are with the terrorists." A vote against Bush is a vote against America.

Or, to put it another way, if you think that going into Iraq was a good thing, then you should vote for Bush.

NO DEMOCRAT would have invaded Iraq in 2003.

Abortion is the only winning issue that the Dems have, me thinks.

WELCOME TO DU. Sorry to be such a downer. :hi:

[0007]

4. ...Doom and gloomers take notice, particularly one lady doom and

gloomer here on DU.

[freetobegay]

5. Doom & gloom, not me!

I'm walking on sunshine!

[Catherine Vincent]

6. And I'm betting each one of those persons represent

millions of others that didn't show up.

[lovedems]

9. Like me!

I watched the coverage on cspan and I tell ya, I feel great about the numbers and the message that I saw this afternoon.

This was a good day!

[cushla_machree]

45. yeah!

i was planning on going, but other obligations kept me away.

still sad i missed it.

but i think the reality of the situation is the majority of americans are pro-choice, not that they neccessarily all agree with abortion, but beleive in the women's right to chose. I think the pro-lifers are in the minority, and i think its wrong of them to impose their will on the majority.

[Waverley_Hills_Hiker]

8. wow...Im impressed.!!

I didnt know the pro-choice cause could generate such a show of support!

Very impressive!

[nostamj]

10. the MOST amazing thing

was that while it was 'supposed' to be non-partisan...

it was the BIGGEST ANTI-BUSH rally EVER!

Julian Bond was great...

I know you're not BUSHed, and I know you will KERRY the day....

not exact but close.

[Dudley_DUright]

11. I think you got the quote exactly correct

as far as I remember. I thought it was funny after he said that speakers were asked to be non-partisan in their remarks. He gave a great speech.

[skooooo]

12. How many will turn out in NYC for the RNC??

Do you think it could even be more??

[FireHeart]

13. It really won't matter.

Diebold can cancel out those 1,150,000 votes with single button press. Bush will order, Diebold will obey and the SCOTUS will back it all up nice and neat.

Ah well. The fix is in. There's nothing we can do to stop it. I doubt, now, that the Bushes will EVER leave office.

[Waverley_Hills_Hiker]

14. Then dont bother voting.

I think if folks really believe this they shouldnt waste their times on a game as rigged as politics, if they believe its that rigged...

[FireHeart]

19. When you consider how the last election(s) were run...

How can you not? Blacks discouraged from voting in many states by trooper roadblocks (very convenient to have them primarly black voting areas), etc?

The rigged Florida denial of voting rights to people who weren't even convicted felons? Hell, I LIVE in Florida, and I heard venom and anger about this. But no one served a day in jail who was responsible for this.

Yes, I've lost my faith in the system. When SCOTUS handed the presidency to Bush, I was completely shocked. How else can I feel?

:shrug:

[Waverley_Hills_Hiker]

23. If you believe its rigged

you are wasting your time with politics.

Only a fool shoots craps with dice he knows is loaded.

[FireHeart]

26. Perhaps you are right.

But I just don't know anymore. I feel like we are watching a nightmare that will never end. Your comparison with dice is hauntingly familiar with the Casinos of the 50's and 60's when the "Mob" ruled Las Vegas. Big winners were few and the House *always* comes out ahead, but people just kept flocking to them. Always hoping they would win, but the odds were way against them. I still hope, but my heart just isn't as strong as it used to be...

:cry:

[Waverley_Hills_Hiker]

32. I have some faith in the system still...

...i live in a fairly GOP area, so I know I won't be seeing too many Democrats win elections. Still, elections are still held, and there are real primary contests between the more right wing and more moderate Republicans.

Yet, I tend to have some faith in the political system, nationally. To think that all elections are rigged or fixed is probably a bit too pessimistic for me.

[FireHeart]

37. It's good to know, really.

That there some who still believe. After so many years of struggling and fighting, you sometimes get wore down to the point of complete apathy. You just don't care anymore. But keep the faith my friend. If you prove me wrong, I'll remember you in days ahead.

But sometimes, I just get so tired... :(

[gpandas]

66. wheres the fire,fireheart? n/t

[bigbillhaywood]

42. Political action doesn't have to come from voting

It can be grassroots community, industrial, regional and national organizing. Mass protests. Mass boycott. General strike. Armed uprising. The ballot box isn't our only option. In fact, right now voting is probably the weakest option. We must think long term and strategically, and be prepared to tough-it out for the long haul. That's what the right wing did and it's paying dividends for them. It's not about the next 4 years, it's about the next 30 years.

Two quotes from nasty men who understood both revolution and oppression (from both sides of the power balance):

"It's not who casts the votes that matters, it's who's counting the ballots"-- Josef Stalin

"Political power comes from the barrel of a gun"-- Mao Zedong

[freetobegay]

15. Is the earth really flat?

eom

[Waverley_Hills_Hiker]

16. zorro-snap!

you go, girl !

[DaveSZ]

18. One of the Latina women speakers

mentioned that everyone should vote absentee ballot to avoid BBV.

[FireHeart]

21. That's a good idea.

I would tend to agree. We could, I guess, at least try it.

[FireHeart]

20. Huh?

Care to explain?

[Joanne98]

22. God_Bush_and_Cheney

Said there was a big story on Diebold to break Tuesday. Keep your fingers crossed.

[nostamj]

25. "Give Up" "Submit" .... now there's a progressive strategy!

I am SICK TO DEATH of nay-sayers who pollute this site with this kind of crap.

do you have any idea of the results of BBV activism in CA?

what are YOU doing to stop the bushies? other than trying to demoralize people who ARE doing something?

"ah well"

you sound utterly pathetic. aren't you missing an episode of "American Idol" or something taking time to post here?

do you have children? grandchildren? nieces or nephews?

"ah well, they'll go off to war and die. ah well. nothing we can do"

:puke:

[Name removed]

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[nostamj]

30. hmmm... if you answered one point

i might have been able to respond.

and, I won't alert you on the freeper comment.

while expressing your "i give up" opinion is allowed here,

that comment is not.

hey DUers... how many of you think nostamj = freeper ?

just wondering?

edit: one letter typo

[FireHeart]

33. I understand now.

It's quite correct for you to accuse me of a false allegation, but when the tables turn...

oh, hell. I'll just alert myself. I can see this is not going to go anywhere, anyway. You HAD no point to answer, so how the hell can I answer no point that is being made--or even attempted?

[nostamj]

36. reality check (not that's it's likely to help)

"false allegation":

Oh, hell, go back to FreeRepublic.

"You HAD no point to answer, so how the hell can I answer no point that is being made"

I called you out on your lame 'i give up' negativity/passivity.

Original post:

Ah well. The fix is in. There's nothing we can do to stop it.
???

[Touchdown]

68. I do! I do!

You sound just like what Lynard Skynird sang about..."I'm as free as a Perd now...and this Perd you cannot change.";-)

[sendero]

34. No - they can't

The only way BBV can really rig an election is if:

1) It is already very very close

and

2) Nobody is watching

Neither of these thing will be true.

[FireHeart]

35. Perhaps

We can only hope that some eyes were opened during the 2000 and 2002 elections. Hope is now all we have to grasp. I pray that you are correct.

[mdmc]

58. that sounds like a bet? Care to bet?

ANY election can be altered, even with "random spot checks". Electronic voting is still a decade away.

[cushla_machree]

46. i saw a great quote the other day

about electronic voting. this old guy didn't like it, didn't trust it. he decided from then on he was going to take an absentee ballot each election. if diebold ever came my way, you can BET i would absentee that. Mabe if more people did that we could get the point across.

[Iceburg]

17. this was the LARGEST PROTEST IN US HISTORY

savour it my friends ... but let it not be your last.

I speak for most Canadians, when I say

We are proud of you America!!!

[BabsSong]

24. I this the right to chose rally??

I'm asking because all the new coverage I've seen made me really depressed. It looked like a few hundred people milling around and they featured the anti-abortion people just as much. That's what I got on CNN, MSNBC, the local news, etc. I was getting so disturbed that the women of this country were taking for granted what a lot of people fought for. I glad they will be out voting against Bush. Unfortunately, no one in the country knows this was the biggest rally in US history. Or maybe I have the wrong picture---was this the anti-Nam rally of the 60's??? Sorry, but people just don't know this.

[Kool Kitty]

48. I don't know what you were watching, but

you should either stay up or set your VCR for 2 AM EDT to C-Span. They are re-running the whole thing. Our local news made much of the fact that this was a PRO-CHOICE rally, that it was the biggest, etc. The NY stations-CBS, NBC, ABC-all ran the rally as their top story this evening. Just a bit more than a few hundred people milling around.

[OneTwentyoNine]

27. One picture speaking a MILLION words.!!!.....Fan F*&king tastic

[opihimoimoi]

29. When the Ladies are pissed off, heads will roll. Bush is friggen toast

The Fundies have pushed too far to the Right.... creating an opportunity for the Left to counter punch.

The Ladies, as in the French Revolution, lead the way. With pitch forks, brooms and pikes, here they come.

Political Axiom 103.02, Never piss off the Ladies.

[Missy Vixen]

38. Opihi: Knows women and knows them well!

>Political Axiom 103.02, Never piss off the Ladies.<

You've heard the old saying: If Mama ain't happy, ain't nobody happy.

If 1.1 million women took the time and their money to get themselves to Washington to display how utterly unhappy they are with * and his policies against women, one must think that for every one female on the Mall this afternoon, there were probably 10 like me who couldn't be there for a variety of reasons, but feels the exact same way.

If these 10 million women each round up ten of their friends, who are also equally sick at heart about what's going on, and convince them to vote for John Kerry on November 2nd (hell, give 'em a ride to the polls, or have an absentee-filling-out party,) WE WILL WIN.

Julie

[opihimoimoi]

39. Hi Julie, LTNS, I just hope your comments hold true for this Nov

and from what I see, there is no reason to doubt it. The Military Industrial Complex teaming up with the Far Right Fundies have distorted America into the present mess we see today. The Pub PsyOps have taken their toll in capturing hearts and minds of our innocent sheep turning them into Pub Clones. But they go to Far with their selfish agenda. Greed, Arrogance, Ego, Myopia, Selfishness etc, has been exposed and it bodes ill for our beloved Nation.

We could be so far down the road to creating a Heaven on Earth its pathetic. But no, we squander our Resources, Blood, and Wealth on missions of dubious distinction.

What say you if I ask for any POSITIVE RESULTS from this administration? Cause thus far, I see nothing but doom and gloom, fear, debts, and a mishandling of the future for our children.
Some Leader we got, eh? Its a Pub Scam gone wild.

[KoKo]

44. To Julie and Opi! A thumbs up to you! I think your predictions are right

on! :thumbsup: Power!

[nostamj]

40. I forget WHO said it but...

WHEN WOMEN VOTE, DEMOCRATS WIN!

i've seen the pictures, heard the speeches.

yup!

TALTY

[Gothmog]

31. That is very encouraging

I have seen reports of 1.15 million people That is a meaningful number. I just hope that CNN and others accurately report the story.

[sal]

41. If only Babs had been able to access safe, legal abortion

services, how might have history been made different?

[powergirl]

43. YOU ARE SO BAD SAL! LOL

I was thinking the same thing. I'm glad you "said" it. :)

[chaska]

47. Hey wait a minute...

I could swear that I saw in one of the Bev posts that absentee ballots are accounted for at some point by the diebold machines as well. Great idea for a protest (voting absentee) if nothing else though.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

49. Only 1 out of 50 Gore voters (nationwide) made it to the rally

:bounce:

[Forkboy]

50. It's great,but these people were in our column anyway

:shrug:

[Quahog]

51. True, but remember the power of the herd

This is why the GOP-controlled media rigs the polls to make it look as though bush* is our beloved national hero, because nobody wants to be in the minority, nobody wants to side with the losing team. An event like yesterday's has a huge positive effect, because people are looking at that turnout and thinking, "Wow, there are other people in this country that think like me, I'm not a loser freak after all." That is empowering for a lot of people who are on the fence, or confused, or unmotivated, or in other ways not in our column at all.

[Forkboy]

52. Excellent points

I have to agree with all you say here.

[Catfight]

67. I relished in my loser freak autonomy, damn it! :)

[jus_the_facts]

53. but don't forget it lit a FIRE under a lot of wing nuts as well.....

......it inspired them to start preachin' harder in churches all across the country and increase their ranks as well....call me doom and gloom or cynical all ya like.....for the anguish after Nov.2000 fucked me up beyond description...I'll not allow m'self to have grandiose delusions of faith and hope after the way the last election went or the last 4yrs. of complete and utter disregard for truth and justice....for my sanity I'll not set m'self up for their illusion of reality to break my resolve ever again.

...."accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." George Bernard Shaw.

[ulysses]

59. sure, but *anything* we do

will do that. I'm not ready to accept that Sunday's march represents the death knell of the Bush administration, but I do take hope in the number of people involved in the number of massive demonstrations against various actions by this particular group of charletans, crooks and nutcakes. Translating that into electoral and governmental influence is the challenge.

[shtinkycat]

54. I just got back and it was FANTASTIC

There were women AND men, young and old, and even some "Republicans for Choice". We marched past the White House and it was quite thrilling to feel the anti-bush energy.

Now we gotta translate it to the voting booths.

My favorite hand-drawn signs: "I'll give up my rights when Bush gets pregnant", "One bush between my legs is enough" (sorry, vulgar but darn funny), "Former fetus for choice".

[opihimoimoi]

55. The Energy shown there was very heartwarming and exciting to say the least

The Pubs gonna feel the heat soon in Nov.

"Get your filthy hands off MY BODY" I just luv it. Women of America, you have spoken.

[ulysses]

60. hey, shtinkycat

Wouldn't be a "Mutts" fan, would you? :)

[shtinkycat]

63. yes, you caught me

we love that strip, and have a cat named Shtinky (but she looks like "Mooch"). :D

[ulysses]

64. no argument here

Ms Uly and I are apt to answer each other in "yesh" terms when we're both in good moods. :D

[RBHam]

57. It could be a million people, and it doesn't matter one whit...

if their votes aren't counted.

[Selwynn]

61. It is inspiring, AND it is also far, far, far from a sure thing.

So we must keep speaking out, and fighing.

[bigtree]

62. I can't remember any campaign in my lifetime where an incumbent

has been on the wrong side of public opinion on so many core issues. Or one where our Democratic candidate was on the right side of public opinion on as many issues as is Kerry.

[doni_georgia]

65. Let Faux say a "few thousand" showed up - we have pix of the TRUTH

And all those people will be VOTING in November!!!

I really think this marks a turning point, folks, and I said so earlier today. The Democratic party has awakened.