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Bill McBlueState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 06:15 PM
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CNN and the size of the march
There's been a lot of complaining regarding CNN's reporting on the size of the March for Women's Lives. They have the following paragraph leading their story:

Abortion-rights supporters marched in the hundreds of thousands Sunday, galvanized by what they see as an erosion of reproductive freedoms under President Bush and policies that hurt women worldwide.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/04/25/abortion.protest.ap/index.html

Isn't "hundreds of thousands" accurate? The organizers estimated 1.15 million, which is the same as eleven and a half hundred thousand. The next step above "hundreds of thousands" would be "millions" and that's not accurate when there are less than 2 million in attendance.

I guess my points are,

1.15 million is a hell of a lot of people (1 in every 250 Americans!)

and

Let's not get on CNN's case unless they actually screwed it up. It hurts our credibility otherwise.
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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 06:21 PM
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1. But why don't they say "an estimated 1.15 million" (in case they
are not positive about the exactness of the figure?) Hundreds of thousands could also be 300,000...
You can always slant the news in the direction you prefer...
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newyorican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 06:22 PM
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2. By that measure...
dozens would also be accurate, however misleading...

(about 100,000 dozen to be exact)

Unless you are looking to mislead, the accurate term is "over 1 million".
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Bill McBlueState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 06:27 PM
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4. so you pick the most accurate term
Dozens is accurate, but *if you're using an order of magnitude estimate* hundreds of thousands is the most accurate phrase available.

CNN could also say "an estimated 1.15 million" but I don't think we should expect them to automatically report whatever the organizers tell them. We may hear that phrase at some point, but we shouldn't get angry if they decide to estimate a number that can't be determined exactly.

They could also say "approximately a million" which they may well do.

But I don't think anyone's being slighted when they say "hundreds of thousands" to describe *twelve* hundred thousand.

Sure beats the "tens of thousands" we heard earlier.
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nofurylike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 06:31 PM
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6. they knew full well it was OVER A MILLION. always diminished, womyn.n/t
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Muddleoftheroad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 07:15 PM
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12. How did they know that?
There is no official unbiased count.
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redwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 06:25 PM
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3. BBC site says estimates at "more than 100,000"
It will be interesting to see what the local papers carry tomorrow. Nothing they say will dim my excitement at what was obviously a great event of our lifetime. Uppity people unite!
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Bill McBlueState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 06:31 PM
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7. it's interesting, the connotations numbers carry
If I hear "more than 100,000" I think the number is between 100,000 and 200,000. So the BBC number seems misleading to me.

If I hear "hundreds of thousands" that seems to indicate somewhere between 200,000 and 2 million.

Neither one gives a particularly accurate picture, but at the same time, neither one smacks of some conspiracy to diminish the impact of the march.

Hopefully lots of photos will be published so people really get the point!
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Changenow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 07:30 PM
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14. It is also true to say that there were more than 2 people there,
just not very informative.
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 06:28 PM
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5. They gave the march about sixty seconds of air time. That's why.
When you have a million people marching, a responsible news station would give it more time. But CNN didn't, so they minimized the number to justify themselves.
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Bill McBlueState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 06:34 PM
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8. the amount of coverage is a legitimate beef
Hell yeah, they should give it more than sixty seconds of air time.

But it's splitting hairs to say that "hundreds of thousands" is an inaccurate way to describe a rally with 1.2 million.
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Muddleoftheroad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 07:14 PM
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11. The size of 1.15 million is a big guess
Hundreds of thousands is easily accurate.

I've never seen a modern D.C. march that didn't make grandiose claims.
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tibbiit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 07:27 PM
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13. Imo
its a matter of perception.
once again showing cnn marching hand in hand with bushco's supreme ability to color and name perceptions for the people.

hundreds of thousands means a couple hundred thousand, not close to or at 1,000,000 people. It "sounds" like "less than".
Isnt this elementary?
tib
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lovedems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 06:48 PM
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9. Why don't they mention that this march made history?
It was either the largest pro-choice march in history or the LARGEST march in history period!

By the counts from the march this afternoon, it was a history making event either way! No mention of that...
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ikojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 06:54 PM
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10. At least they said HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS instead of
TENS of thousands. In the past the corporate media have tried to minimize the size of crowds by saying tens of thousands or just thousands.

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