What is the Christian Conservative VISION for America?

[mopaul]

imprisoning women who've had abortions? their doctors as well? segregation of muslims and non christians? prison for gays, lesbians and bi's? forced religion on t.v.? more invasions of godless countries? forced prayer in school? catholicism attacked?
strictly controlled television, music, and movie censorship? equal rights for branch davidiots?

just a reminder, christian conservative fanatics are making their last stand under bushco. they have more power than ever now, and they have heavily infiltrated all of our schools, and government.
they only have one goal, one point of view and they see liberals as god's enemies. they could be turned on us like locusts with one sentence. they are gravely endangering our nation, and our own president is currently laying the groundwork for armageddon and the end times, ala revelations.

if they took over, like they are surely planning to do, what will america look like?

[LittleApple81]

1. Totalitarian theocracy with disenfranchised and controlled poor. n/t

[skooooo]

2. I think you've answered your own question...

...they would turn America into a fascist state. Fortunately, they're not in the majority -- but then again, the Nazis in Germany weren't either. Everyone just went along because they provided "strong leadership". Increasingly, the national dialogue is driven by emotion and emotional issues, which is just want they want. Critical thinking is derided as "weak", as college is priced out of the reach of the middle class.

Pretty bleak picture, but I find very little to be optimistic about, unfortunately.

[zanana]

10. Less than half of all Americans are Christian Fundamentalist.

Though you stated that a minority in Germany allowed Hitler to rise to power, I don't think we're there yet. I really believe that most Americans would rise to the challenge and rein these people in if it ever got that ridiculous. We wouldn't stand for it.

[skooooo]

13. Your probably right....but....

....just the fact that we are even in a position to consider such a situation does little to comfort me. It's going to get uglier, and politically, they are doing quite well for themselves. They've chipped and chipped away at the laws.

I don't know, I'm not feeling very optimistic lately. Fanatics have a LOT of energy.

[elfwitch]

17. I think you overestimate Americans....

The German people were a mostly homogeneous society. The all had similar goals and desires as a nation. This means they were all more or less on the same page.

Americans are all over the place: different opinions, different views, different desires. You can find two Americans and have three different opinions.

I think it would be easier to achieve here what Hitler did there. The Germans finally got together as a nation of people with a like mind to fix the disease their nation became.

We can't get enough Americans together to agree on a fair sales tax. When half the population doesn't even care enough to vote, it would be really easy to go as far as the Nazis did. Or farther.

Americans can't be bothered to do anything until it interrupts their viewing schedule. By that time it is too late.

First they came for the Communists,
and I didn’t speak up,
because I wasn’t a Communist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn’t speak up,
because I wasn’t a Jew.
Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn’t speak up,
because I was a Protestant.
Then they came for me,
and by that time there was no one
left to speak up for me.

by Rev. Martin Niemoller, 1945

[buddy22600]

3. Bingo

[DBoon]

4. An evangelical fundamentalist version of Franco's Spain

n/t

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

5. More like the Spain of the 15th, 16th and 17th centuries.

Nobody expects the Inquisition!

[DBoon]

6. The Spain Franco tried to revive

Like Mussolini wanted the grandure of the Roman Empire, Franco tried to revive the "glory days" of Baroque Spain.

Nobody expects the Guardia Civil!

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

7. Fair enough.

Get the comfy chair!

[madrchsod]

8. it doesn`t include

you or me and millions of other people in the united states. i`d rather make my own value judgements. their idea of christianity is much different than mine..my christ believes i am responsible for my own actions and belief in his teachings, not some money changers in the temples who trade with the enemy of the people.

[Vogon_Glory]

9. Some Christian Conservative Notions

People wishing to get a better idea of what sort of cute ideas that the so-called "Christian" right has in mind for us would do well to consult a document like the Texas Republican Party's campaign platform.

But here are a few pointers:

Public schooling would be abolished. Education would be done only through church-funded schools or through home-schooling programs.

Many public institutions like state and national parks would be sold off to private developers.

Most public health clinics and public hospitals would be shut down or sold off to religious-based organizations. While some medical care might be made available to the "worthy" poor, financial means tests and a humiliating screening process would be installed to see to it that such process would be as shaming as possible.

A massive re-writing and alteration of the "official" US history would be instituted. The role of non-white minorities would be minimized. The civil rights struggle would be downplayed save, perhaps with sidebars showing alleged "communist" ties to the NAACP.

Religious persecution. Not simply non-Christian sects like Hinduism and Buddhism would be prosecuted as "satanic" "cults," but also minority Christian sects like the Unitarians, the Unity School, Christian Science, and even the Latter Day Saints.

Religious tests. Candidates for public elected or appointed office would have to be proven members of approved "Christian" sects. I doubt that even Catholics or older "mainline" Protestant sects could qualify.

Massive censorship by local, state, and federal authorities.

Termination of Indian reservations and religious persecution of "non-Christian" Native Americans.

The restructuring of such scientific disciplines as biology, chemistry, geology, astronomy, and physics in order to only express an "approved" Fundamentalist Christian perspective.

An ideology-based assault on alternate energy research, development, and application on the grounds that solar and wind energy is "new age" or "paganistic."

[Iris]

12. Don't forget family planning

If contraception is allowed at all, women seeking it will have to prove they are married.

And then, only barrier methods will be allowed because it will be established through our new biology books that life begins at conception without a doubt.

This would exclude women of child-bearing age from any job considered hazardous to a zygote.

[Vogon_Glory]

20. More On the Reactionaries and Family Planning

Many forms of contraceptives would be outlawed, such as the pill, implants, or the IUD. Availability of barrier forms of contraception like condoms, diaphrams, and the cervical cap would be highly restricted. Minors would be denied access to contraceptives of any sort. In addition to state or federal legislation restricting contraceptive availability only to married heterosexual couples, in addition state and local authorities would be able to outlaw even these.

[Vogon_Glory]

21. More On Christian Conservative Notions

In addition to the shut-down of public schools, there would be severe academic restrictions on surviving private and religious schools. Not only would there be roving individuals or organizations of censors, but roving bands of private censors would be allowed to monitor academicians, student organizations, libraries and archives for disapproved political or religious viewpoints or for supposedly "obscene" materials. These private organizations would not be funded by government, but would be deputized with governmental powers, and could operate with the power of the state behind it.

Also, similar bands of private censors would have the authority to peer into private homes to look out for unorthodox material or unorthodox practices, such as reading disapproved literature, making or displaying disapproved art, or unorthodox sex practices. Conservative activist Paul Weyrich has already called for the formation of this "Borned Agin' " version of George Orwell's Junior Spies.

[mmonk]

11. Armageddon, tax cuts, debt, and morals laws

[Lars39]

14. Their kingdom on earth, where everyone lives by their rules.

Southern Bapts have the plan: (I recommend reading every link at their site about the *Kingdom*.)

http://www.sbc.net/redirect.asp?url=http://www.bpnews.net/bpfeature.asp?ID=1360

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As sovereign Lord, Christ now directs the course of history toward its victorious completion, i.e. the future establishment of His Kingdom on earth and the judgment of all nations, which will take place at His coming.<snip>

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There is a corporate or community aspect to citizenship. It includes responsibility and privileges that cannot be found by living in isolation. Likewise, it is incoherent to say one can enter that reign of Christ and remain outside the church.<snip>



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Franklin Graham is giving a keynote speech soon, discussing the *kingdom*. He's heavily involved with the Southern Bapt missionaries in Iraq. We can't ignore what they are attempting to do anymore.

[No2W2004]

15. "Big Brother Knows Best"

The "Leave it to Beaver" vision of America. Women do not work outside the home. Men wear ties, even when they mow the lawn. Kids are well behaved and don't speak unless given permission by their parents. Dad is the ultimate authority in the home and mom is subserviant to him. Society is segrigated so "white America" won't come in contact with any diverse cultures or "lower classes." Everyone lives in houses that look the same, they do the same activities, go to the same churches, and it is forbiden to ask questions. Everyone assumes the government knows best.

[skooooo]

16. Actually, I think they are very anti-government.

They're going along with the Bush game plan for now, but when things get uglier, they'll turn against that too and start eating their own. (After they're finished with everything else, that is.)

[mopaul]

19. yes, the repubs aren't right wing enough for them

pat robertson's vision is way beyond hitler's

[swinney]

18. Great question