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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 09:42 AM
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you ain't draftin' MY son you fuckers!
Edited on Mon Apr-26-04 09:55 AM by mopaul
i've raised 3 fine children into adulthood, the youngest is 20, and you ain't gonna get him bush! i don't know exactly what i'll do, but believe me, when you start drafting our children to turn into killing monsters you'll have me, mo paul, to deal with! you won't get away with it. you want to play war president? grab a fucking rifle cowardly asshole! where were YOU in viet nam you crackhead?
the day the draft is launched, soon after your planned coup de tat election theft #2, your ass if finished! we will take to the streets to protect our sons and daughters from your draft plans. and if your own two daughters are not immediately drafted, we will kick your ass! if my fine son wants to go fight for you, he will, and i won't stop him. but if you FORCE him to go, you will see an uprising and a civil unrest like you never dreamed of sissyboy! fuck you and your draft plans asshole, it won't work. we won't allow it! we will see the white house BURNT DOWN before we let you and your insane war profiteers offer up our children to your god of war and profit! you lied to us all about iraq, and 9-11 and every other fucking thing and now you're lying about the draft. you send army recruiters right to my front door with little white envelopes and i REFUSE TO ANSWER! fuck your army recruiters! you want a fucking war? do it yourself fuckhead! leave my son OUT OF IT!
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DemLikr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 09:44 AM
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1. Mine either, Mo! Underground Railroad to Canada gearing up...n/t
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Imperialism Inc. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 09:52 AM
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8. I would suggest heading south.
Canada will send you back now for sure. So will southern countries for that matter but it may be easier to disappear (in a good way). On the other hand, it is probably easier to disappear (in a bad way).

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DemLikr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 12:26 PM
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40. No...I like Montreal. Plenty big enough to blend in.
Mexico would remind me way too much of my tragic two years in the wastelands of Houston, Texas.
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elfwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 09:46 AM
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2. I understand exactly how you feel...
I will not allow my son to be offered up to the altar of greed and fascism. My son is only 3, but the shit BushCo intends to start would put him in danger 15 years from now as well.

I say NO! He is my only child. He is my only SON. Just because "THEY" think God offered up his only son doesn't mean they can have my little Jewish Prince.
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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 09:47 AM
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5. your 3 yr. old IS in danger of the draft
you are exactly right. when certain senators are asked how long this thing is going to last, some say decades.
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Medical Speaking Donating Member (151 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 09:47 AM
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3. I am with you
I am a Viet-Nam Veteran, which was another need-less war. I have already called the White House and told them. They will not get my son for Bushies War.


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7th_Sephiroth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 09:47 AM
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4. as a 19 year old male with technical skills all i can say is
GET ME THE FUCK OUTTA HERE
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Fenris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 09:50 AM
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6. O Canada....
If it comes to it.
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7th_Sephiroth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 09:51 AM
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7. wouldent canada just toss me back
even if i married a canadian citizen
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 10:09 AM
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17. There are a number of AWOL US soldiers in Canada right now.
They haven't been shipped back.
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 10:17 AM
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20. Are'nt they are still waiting for their refugee claims to be processed?
MB, my understanding is that they are waiting for their refugee claims to be processed. So it's still possible for them to be denied status in Canada and to be shipped back to the US. Also if the USA does institute a draft, I would imagine there would be incredible pressure put on Canada by the US to prevent the Viet Nam era scenario when Canada became a defacto country of refuge for those fleeing the draft. I wouldn't count on any Canadian PM in this current age standing up to the US like Pierre Trudeau did.
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 10:52 AM
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28. You're right, they're still waiting.
Interesting, last I read, the US military hadn't made attempts to bring them back. Perhaps not wanting to draw attention to the issue.

I wouldn't count on Martin and the institutions of government, but I know there are a lot of sympathetic indivduals and organisations ready to receive and harbour Americans of conscience.
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 10:11 AM
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18. I imagine it would probably work like this
I would think if you had married a Canadian and you were already legally living in Canada with permanent resident or landed immigrant status (landed immigrant is somewhat equivalent to a US green card holder in the USA) and then happened to be drafted by the US, they would be unlikely to send you back. However, if you were drafted, ran to Canada and attempted to apply for residency as a refugee and then found a Canadian to marry you, I should think you'd be more likely to be given the heave ho.

My understanding of the immigration/refugee agreement we signed onto with the US would prevent Canada from accepting any refugee claims from anyone coming from the USA into Canada. Therefore if you were already living here legally, I can't see how they could send you back. However, I am no immigration lawyer so don't assume what I said was correct. It's just my thoughts on how it is likely to work. Also it could depend on how much of a Bush toady our PM happens to be at the time and how susceptible he would be to caving into US pressure to make sure all escaping cannon fodder is sent back to fill the requirements of the war machine.
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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 10:25 AM
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23. is going to canada even a real option?
i'm just asking. i think there would be such huge numbers of draft refugees, they couldn't possibly handle them. but i don't really know.

i remember the draft very well, many of my highschool chums were drafted and went. i was even drafted, but i was a 1-y. i understand that the deferment qualifiers won't be the same as during viet nam. cheney got 5 fucking deferments for college or some shit.
couldn't get away with that next time, cheney's seen to that.

but will cheney's daughters be drafted? i guess not
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 11:19 AM
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34. Going to Britian, France or Germany, have friends and family there...
Edited on Mon Apr-26-04 11:19 AM by Solon
I figure I would have to pick up some Queen's English, and thank the gods for my French classes!
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7th_Sephiroth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 03:22 PM
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49. cheney would send out atleast one of his daughters
the lesbian who riddicules him, it would #1 get that annoying nay-sayer outta his hair and #2 show that ever the higher-ups kids can be sent to iraqnam
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doni_georgia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 04:23 PM
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53. Australia is looking for people
They are advertising that they need over 100,000 immigrants to come. Check it out online.
http://www.immi.gov.au/
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metisnation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 09:53 AM
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9. I will march alright
on the nazi scum that have hijacked this nation soliers of freedom ten hut! Fall in!!!

:dem:

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7th_Sephiroth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 09:58 AM
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13. what i'd like to do, should i come before a draft board
is get a list with the names of its members, thier family members and addresses, and start reading off from that list, they will get the point
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 09:56 AM
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10. they so much as LOOK at my daughters
Edited on Mon Apr-26-04 09:57 AM by dweller
and they'll be facing big Daddy's double barrel staring back...

I've worked too hard and too long to sacrifice my babies to that fascist *moron's plan.

dp
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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 09:58 AM
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11. same here
Edited on Mon Apr-26-04 09:58 AM by mopaul
they will have to go through me to get to him, and if he goes to jail as a conciencious objector so will i. there arent' enough prisons to hold all of us
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Gothmog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 09:58 AM
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12. I do not want my son drafted.
The reinstatement of the draft is not going to be pretty.
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demnan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 09:59 AM
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14. What is the date of the next anti-war march on D.C.?
Anybody know?
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doni_georgia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 04:27 PM
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54. Saturday June 5th
http://www.internationalanswer.org/

Wish I could be there, but my last day of post-planning is the 4th. No way I can drive up there that night. Maybe I will try and get something going here in Atlanta. Think I will contact some folks and see what we can do.
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bmbmd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 10:00 AM
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15. Best reason for voting Kerry?
He doesn't want to kill my boys.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 10:06 AM
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16. Yo Mo! Read this:
Edited on Mon Apr-26-04 10:10 AM by Dems Will Win
MODS: THIS IS POSTED ON SEVERAL ANTIWAR SITES AS A PUBLIC SERVICE BY LEW ROCKWELL.

http://www.duckdaotsu.org/resist.html

How to stay out of the military
primer on draft resistance
by David Wiggins

please note: all articles, information, agencies, paperwork, and other resources mentioned here are located at the bottom of this page.
The legal requirement to register for the draft demands a decision: give up your freedom and your conscience, or conscientiously resist. All the good reasons that would prevent a free man from volunteering for military service, also apply to resisting the draft. How in a "free country" can the first requirement of a young man, when he comes of age, be to sign up to accept orders to kill for the state in an organized way? There is never a need to compel a free man to take up a cause that is both necessary and just; but a man who is drafted is never free, and thus his cause can never be assumed to be either necessary or just.
The draft is not simply an academic interest. There is not enough military manpower to sustain the commitments the President has already undertaken. We constantly hear that our troops are "stretched too thin." To assist the United States, both the President and Secretary of State have made serious requests for significant military manpower contributions from other nations. These requests have largely fallen on deaf ears. The President has repeatedly stated he will not "back down" meaning, we must assume, that the military forces will continue to be "thinly stretched." Where will they find relief? It appears they are looking at young Americans who are free to volunteer for military duty, but in good conscience, choose not to do so.

With certain exceptions, all men residing in the United States are required to register for the draft within 30 days of their 18th birthday. The obligation of a man to register is imposed by the Military Selective Service Act, which establishes and governs the operations of the Selective Service System.

In addition to the Military Selective Service Act, the "Health Care Personnel Delivery System" was authorized by Congress in 1987 to deal with large-scale casualties that outstripped the active-duty military's ability to handle them. If implemented, the bill would require a mass registration of male and female health care workers between the ages of 20 and 45. At this time; however, the Selective Service has no statutory authority to draft medical personnel. That authorization would be provided by legislation to be introduced and passed in Congress at the time of a national defense mobilization. That "M-Day" legislative package has not been made available for public comment or congressional debate. See the Center on Conscience and War’s "Health Care Professionals and the Draft" for details regarding the Health Care Personnel Delivery System.

The Pentagon is considering other "special skills" drafts, to include military linguists, computer experts, or engineers, which could arise from other immediate needs. "We're going to elevate that kind of draft to be a priority," said Lewis Brodsky, acting director of the Selective Service System.

A bill before the House Armed Services Committee would require the induction of young men into the military "to receive basic military training and education for a period of up to one year." Representatives Nick Smith and Curt Weldon sponsored the bill, called the "Universal Military Training and Service Act," introduced last fall. The measure is currently before the Armed Services Committee. Youth & Militarism Magazine, published by the American Friends Service Committee, contains an excellent article, "It’s Not Your Father’s Draft," describing this proposed draft.

Deciding What To Do

Deciding what to do when faced with Registration or the Draft can be a difficult and life-altering decision. If you choose to resist, it is helpful to keep two things in mind:

First, if you stand by your convictions, you cannot lose, and the government cannot win. The government may handcuff you or lock you up, but they cannot make you fight. If you give up any freedom, it is completely on your terms. In contrast, if you allow yourself to be coerced into military duties you risk death, disease, and disability, all for a cause you do not believe in.

Second, if you choose to resist, you will be treated as an adversary by the government. The government is no longer your friend ? if it ever was. You can expect the Selective Service to use every legal method and argument at their disposal to get you to abandon your convictions and to follow orders.

Keep records carefully, and make your own file of every transaction with the Selective Service, including phone calls. Do not rely on oral promises from Selective Service officials. Put things in writing, and attach receipts and even envelopes to the correspondence in your file. A second set of those records should be in the custody of someone you can rely on to forward copies as needed. When you make a record of a transaction with Selective Service, you should send a copy to Selective Service for inclusion in your file with the Area Office. When local boards become operational, you can see and copy information in your file. You can authorize others to do so on your behalf. Send your letters and claims to Selective Service by Certified Mail, Return Receipt Requested. Observe all deadlines scrupulously. Be sure to include your Selective Service number. Sign and date all papers submitted.

Get help. Check out how the counselor you are consulting was trained. Most attorneys know nothing about Selective Service law; ask their qualifications. Draft counselors will tend to know about qualified attorneys. There are two qualified national counseling organizations: The Center on Conscience & War (CCW), and the Central Committee for Conscientious Objectors (CCCO).

Choosing To Not Register

On a percentage basis, not registering is the most likely way to prevent you from being drafted. The book Chance and Circumstance states that between 250,000 and 2 million males did not register for the draft during the Vietnam War. According to reports from the Selective Service System, forty percent of the men who are required to register for the draft don't register in the sixty-day time period required by law. At least one or two percent still haven't registered by the time they are twenty. At age 26 they are no longer allowed to register. Thus, the number of permanent non-registrants increases daily. There is a known minimum of at least 300,000 people, perhaps a million, who are becoming permanent non-registrants.

If you refuse to register with Selective Service, you'll receive threatening letters, at first politely reminding you to register, then threatening prosecution, finally informing you that your name has been turned over to the Department of Justice for possible prosecution. These sound scary, but they're mostly bluff. No one has been formally charged since 1986.

In the early 1980s, 21 men were indicted for refusal to register: 19 of those 21 were public resisters. Wherever there were trials, the rates of registration actually went down. This resistance halted prosecutions

Penalties for Failure to Register

The penalty for failing to register can be up to five years in jail and/or a fine of up to $250,000. In peacetime, with registration only, the regular maximum penalties are four months and/or $2500. If you don't register, you become ineligible for federal student aid, federal job training or civil service employment. Below, is a summary of the penalties you will face:

STUDENT FINANCIAL AID
Men, born after December 31, 1959, who aren't registered with Selective Service won't qualify for Federal student loans or grant programs. This includes Pell Grants, College Work Study, Guaranteed Student/Plus Loans, and National Direct Student Loans.

CITIZENSHIP
The U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) makes registration with Selective Service a condition for U.S. citizenship if the man first arrived in the U.S. before his 26th birthday.

FEDERAL JOB TRAINING
The Workforce Investment Act (formerly called the Job Training Partnership Act ? JTPA) offers programs that can train young men for jobs in auto mechanics and other skills. This program is only open to those men who register with Selective Service. This applies only to men born after December 31, 1959.

FEDERAL JOBS
A man must be registered to be eligible for jobs in the Executive Branch of the Federal government and the U.S. Postal Service. This applies only to men born after December 31, 1959.

Some states have added additional penalties for those who fail to register. See State Legislation.

A tactic used by many states is to require driver license applicant’s to register. These states require a consent statement on all applications or renewals for driver’s permits, licenses, and identification cards. The statement tells the applicant that by submitting the application he is consenting to his registration with the Selective Service if so required by Federal law. Transmission of applicant data to the Selective Service is accomplished electronically through an existing arrangement each state has with the data sharing system of the American Association of Motor Vehicle Administrators.

As of August 28, 2003, 32 states, 2 territories, and the District of Columbia have enacted driver's license laws supporting SSS registration. They are: (1) Enacted and Implemented ? Alabama, Arkansas, Colorado, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Hawaii, Idaho, Illinois, Iowa, Kansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, New Hampshire, New Mexico, New York, Ohio, Oklahoma, Rhode Island, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Virginia, West Virginia, the Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands, the Virgin Islands, and the District of Columbia; (2) Enacted But Not Yet Implemented - Arizona, Kentucky, Maryland, North Carolina, South Carolina, and Wisconsin

Aid for Those Who Do Not Register

The good news is that there are alternative funds for financial aid for those who cannot register for war because they believe registration is wrong. A few colleges will provide scholarships to make up for the government money denied. Mennonites, the Church of the Brethren, Quakers, Presbyterians and Lutherans have such limited assistance funds to support non-registrants in their own groups. There is a general fund, the Fund for Education and Training (FEAT), which supports those who do not qualify for the other programs. FEAT also would aid those who are denied job-training programs for refusing to register for the draft.

Appealing the Penalties for Failure to Register

A non-registrant may not be denied any benefit if he can "show by a preponderance of evidence" that his failure to register was not knowing and willful. You will have to describe, in detail, the circumstances you believe prevented you from registering and provide copies of documents showing any periods when you were hospitalized, institutionalized, or incarcerated occurring between your 18th and 26th birthdays. If you are a non-citizen, you may be required to provide documents that show when you entered the United States

The benefit agency official handling your case, not the Selective Service, will determine whether you have shown that your failure to register was not a knowing and willful failure to register. The final decision regarding your eligibility for the benefit that you seek will be made by that same agency, (for example, for student financial aid, this would be the Department of Education.) With some agencies, an appeals process is available.

Registering Late, Change of Address

Legally, at any moment until your twenty-sixth birthday, Selective Service must accept your draft registration card. Some young men delay registration until the year in which they turn 21, or even until just before turning 26. This method takes advantage of the way the draft lottery works.

A lottery based on birthdays determines the order in which registered men are called up by Selective Service. The first to be called, in a sequence determined by the lottery, will be men whose 20th birthday falls during that year, followed, if needed, by those aged 21, 22, 23, 24 and 25. In other words, under present law, which might change with a new draft, Selective Service would first select randomly among those who turned 20 in the calendar year of the call-up. In practice, while it's possible that a draft could move beyond the age-20 selection group, the odds are against it.

It is important to remember that, once registered, even if it is the day before your 26th birthday, you are once again eligible for federal and state assistance.

Change of Address

Registrants are required to notify Selective Service within ten days of any changes to any of the information provided on the registration card, such as a change of address. According to the Center on Conscience and War, very few registrants are doing so. A registrant must report changes until January 1 of the year he turns 26. To notify Selective Service, mark your change(s) on the Change Information Form attached to the Registration acknowledgment Card and mail it to Selective Service, or complete a Change of Information Form, SSS Form 2, which you can obtain at any U.S. Post Office or U.S. Embassy or Consulate office. You may also notify Selective Service of any change by letter, but be sure to include your full name, Social Security Account Number, Selective Service Number, and date of birth, as well as your new mailing address

If the registrant forgets to notify the Selective Service of any address changes, or if the Selective Service loses that notification, the Selective Service may have difficulty finding and notifying the registrant of induction in case of a draft.

If you don't register before you turn 26, you will not be allowed to register, even if you change your mind. You'd then be permanently barred from such benefits, unless Congress or the courts act to change the law. A person who fails to register by age 26 may use the same appeals process as described above, under the section "Choosing To Not Register."

Registering But Resisting Induction

If you decide to register:


• Find a post office for your registration that has an accessible photocopier.
• Print in legible black ink across the middle of the registration form: I AM A CONSCIENTIOUS OBJECTOR TO WAR IN ANY FORM. This is not a classification, but it may help you later to document your position as a CO. Selective Service makes no record of this declaration in its computer files, but they do make a microfilm record of the registration card. You should make a copy of your card for your file.
• Make a photocopy of your registration form for your own records. Date it, fold and seal it, and mail it to yourself. The postmark confirms the date.
• Put a complete statement of your conscientious objector beliefs on file with your religious body, the CCW, the CCCO, or any other counseling agency.

After registration, Selective Service will send a "registration acknowledgement" letter, which repeats the information the registrant gave on the form and supplies a Selective Service Number. If any of the information is incorrect, the registrant may return the accompanying Form 3B to correct any mistakes. The registrant can retain this letter, Form 3A, as proof of his registration.

Before anyone can be drafted, Congress and the President would have to enact legislation authorizing new draft calls. If this happens, one can apply for various postponements and reclassifications to delay induction, or to avoid it entirely.

Filing for postponement or reclassification

Selective Service regulations are filled with loopholes, postponements, and reclassifications for those who will not or cannot be drafted. A registrant can file a claim only after receipt of an order to report for induction and before the day he is scheduled to report (this means within 10 days). If you were called up, you would receive an induction notice requiring you to report on a certain date not less than 10 days from the date of the notice, to a Military Entrance Processing Station (MEPS) unless you filed a claim for exemption or deferment. Filing a claim involves no more than checking a box on a form, and submitting it to the Selective Service.

After the Selective Service receives the claim, they will send you more forms to complete. You must apply for any and all exemptions for which you think you may qualify, and/or for classification as a conscientious objector. A registrant automatically gets his induction delayed if he files a claim for reclassification. He is also entitled to file for a postponement if he is a student or if he has an emergency beyond his control, such as a serious illness or death in his immediate family. The induction date will be postponed until the draft board evaluates the validity of the claim. The Selective Service publishes a booklet titled "Information for Registrants" which lists each category of claim for postponement of induction into the armed forces and each type of reclassification to become exempt from the draft. Under each heading (accessible by the web) is a detailed description of the qualifications and requirements for each category. The major headings are listed below.

Postponements


1. Student Postponements
2. Emergency Postponements
3. Religious Holiday Postponements
4. Other Postponements
-State or National Examination Scheduled
-Military Academy Acceptance
-Reserve Officer Training Corps (ROTC) Applicant
-Acceptance for Reserve Officer Training Corps (ROTC) Program

Reclassifications


1. Members of the Armed Forces of the United States, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration or the Public Health Service (Class 1-C)
2. Deferment of Certain Members of a Reserve Component or Students Taking Military Training (Class 1-D-D)
3. Exemption of Certain Members of a Reserve Component or Student Taking Military Training (Class 1-D-E)
4. Conscientious Objectors Available for Noncombatant Military Service Only (Class 1-A-O)
5. Conscientious Objectors to All Military Service (Class 1-O)
6. Conscientious Objectors to All Military Service (Separated from Military Service) (Class 1-O-S)
7. Registrant Deferred Because of Study Preparing for the Ministry (Class 2-D)
8. Registrant Deferred Because of Hardship to Dependents (Class 3-A)
9. Registrant Deferred Because of Hardship to Dependents (Separated from Military Service) (Class 3-A-S)
10. Registrant Who Has Completed Military Service (Class 4-A)
11. Registrant Who Has Performed Military Service for a Foreign Nation (Class 4-A-A)
12. Official Deferred by Law (Class 4-B)
13. Alien or Dual National (Class 4-C)
14. Treaty Alien (Class 4-T)
15. Minister of Religion (Class 4-D)
16. Registrant Exempted from Service Because of the Death of His Parent or Sibling While Serving in the Armed Forces or Whose Parent or Sibling is in a Captured or Missing in Action Status (Class 4-G)
17. Registrant Not Acceptable for Military Service (Class 4-F)

For a hard copy of the above information, write to Consumer Information Center, Pueblo, CO 81009, and ask for "Information for Registrants." Enclose $1 for processing, payable to Superintendent of Documents. The CCCO, CCW and other counseling agencies will probably also have copies of this document available.

Conscientious Objectors

Conscientious Objection is the category of reclassification of most interest to the majority of draft resisters. In fact, every draft resister is a conscientious objector in his own way. According to the Selective Service, a conscientious objector is one who is opposed to serving in the armed forces and/or bearing arms on the grounds of moral or religious principles. Beliefs which qualify a registrant for CO status may be religious in nature, but don't have to be. Beliefs may be moral or ethical, but according to the Selective Service, a man's reasons for not wanting to participate in a war must not be based on politics, expediency, or self-interest. In general, the man's lifestyle prior to making his claim must reflect his current claims.

Be aware that, while similar, regulations regarding Conscientious Objection differ for members of the military forces. For more information on claiming Conscientious Objector status while a member of the Armed Forces, see "Advice For Conscientious Objectors in the Armed Forces" by Robert Seeley on the CCCO website.

Conscientious objectors should begin to document their claims well in advance of being drafted since otherwise, their time will be very limited. COs should have prepared in advance a file which documents their beliefs. At the minimum, this file should include the photocopy of the registration card, a comprehensive statement of beliefs, and letters of support for this statement. The CCW website has articles with detailed instructions on how to prepare your statement of beliefs and letters of support. There, you may also sign on to the Conscientious Objector Affirmation. Such evidence can be presented to the local board that will hear the claim for a CO classification. Compiling this file should be done with supervision from a qualified draft counselor or agency such as CCW or CCCO.

If you have one, get on record with your religious organization, especially if there is an official registrar. File a provisional version of your claim with them and/or with the CCW or CCCO. Request an analysis of your claim with your counselor. Arrange for letters of support (signed and dated) and documentation of your belief and a life-style consistent with your claim. Arrange for witnesses and an advisor in advance of your hearing.

If you don’t have legal advice, get it. Keep your own file about your beliefs about war and the draft. Keep records of all transactions with the Selective Service System. Many local peace centers have information. The Center on Conscience & Warfare (CCW) provides a counseling service by mail and phone, and publishes aids for thinking out what you believe and what to do. So does the CCCO, the Central Committee for Conscientious Objectors.

Be sure to learn the procedure for obtaining conscientious objection status.

In general, once a man gets a notice that he has been found qualified for military service (i.e., receives an induction letter), he has the opportunity to make a claim for classification as a conscientious objector (CO). If a registrant believes he can qualify for Class 1-O, he should complete the Claim Documentation Form, Conscientious Objector (SSS Form 22), provided by his Area Office and return the form to the Area Office with documents and written statements to support his claim. Form 22 asks the applicant to answer three questions.


1. Describe your beliefs that are the reasons for your claiming conscientious objection to combatant military training and service or to all military training and service.
2. Describe how and when you acquired these beliefs
3. Explain what most clearly shows that your beliefs are deeply held. You may wish to include a description of how your beliefs affect the way you live.

You should begin preparing answers to these questions as soon as you decide to claim Conscientious Objector status. The Center on Conscience and War provides an excellent worksheet to help you.

A registrant making a claim for Conscientious Objection is required to appear before his local board to explain his beliefs. Claimants for hardship or ministerial classification may also request a personal appearance. At a personal appearance you will have at least twenty minutes, and may present up to three witnesses. You may be accompanied by an advisor, and may request that the meeting be open. You cannot use a recorder at the meeting; but you can submit your own summary within five days after the hearing.

If a claim of conscientious objector status is granted, Selective Service regulations state that the registrant must perform alternative service. Of course, one may also choose to resist or refuse alternative service for reasons of conscience. Likely Alternative Service jobs are in the fields of conservation, caring for the very young or very old, education, or health care. Length of service in the program will equal the amount of time a man would have been assigned to the military.

Appealing a Claim That Is Denied

The local board will decide whether to grant or deny a CO classification based on the evidence a registrant has presented. If your claim is rejected, you will receive a new induction date. The CCCO, CCW, and others can help you find lawyers and/or counselors to help you through the lengthy appeals process. The board must give reasons for rejection of your claim. You may appeal a Local Board's decision to a Selective Service District Appeal Board. If the Appeal Board also denies your claim, but the vote is not unanimous, you may further appeal the decision to the National Appeal Board

Refusing Induction

You do, in good conscience, object to Registration and the Draft. This does not change simply because the Selective Service denies your claim. Since there is currently no draft, there are no rules governing those who refuse induction. Historically, draft resisters have been prosecuted and penalized in some manner. You can expect the same. If you choose to refuse induction or were successful using one of the methods described above, you will join a long line of conscientious objectors proud to have defended their freedom to make their own conscientious decisions, and your freedom to do the same. For their stories, check out one of the many books currently available on conscientious objectors and conscientious objection. If you let your conscience be your guide, not your fear or doubt or uncertainty, you will always make a good decision, you will always be free, and you will never regret it.

Contact Information


• Center on Conscience & War (NISBCO)
1830 Connecticut Ave. NW, Washington, DC 20009
202-483-2220
800-379-2679
Fax: 202-483-1246
nisbco@nisbco.org
• Central Committee for Conscientious Objectors (CCCO)
1515 Cherry St., Philadelphia, PA 19102
215-563-8787
Fax 215-567-2096
info@objector.org
• CCCO West
630 20th Street Oakland, CA 94612
510-465-1617
Fax 510-465-2459
info@objector.org

References

Organizations

• The Selective Service System
• The Center on Conscience & War (CCW)
• The Central Committee for Conscientious Objectors (CCCO)
• The American Friends Service Committee (AFSC)

Articles

• "Medical Workers Face Military Draft" WorldNet Daily
• "It’s Not Your Father’s Draft" Youth & Militarism Magazine

Appendix 1: SEQUENCE OF EVENTS

Here is a brief overview of what would occur if the United States returned to a draft:

1. CONGRESS AND THE PRESIDENT AUTHORIZE A DRAFT (see draft on this site)
A crisis occurs which requires more troops than the volunteer military can supply. Congress passes and the President signs legislation that starts a draft.

2. THE LOTTERY
The lottery would establish the priority of call based on the birth dates of registrants. The first men drafted would be those turning age 20 during the calendar year of the lottery. For example, if a draft were held in 1998, those men born in 1978 would be considered first. If a young man turns 21 in the year of the draft, he would be in the second priority, in turning 22 he would be in the third priority, and so forth until the year in which he turns 26 at which time he is over the age of liability. Younger men would not be called in that year until men in the 20?25 age group are called

3. ALL PARTS OF SELECTIVE SERVICE ARE ACTIVATED
The Agency activates and orders its State Directors and Reserve Forces Officers to report for duty. See also Agency Structure.

4. PHYSICAL, MENTAL, AND MORAL EVALUATION OF REGISTRANTS
Registrants with low lottery numbers are ordered to report for a physical, mental, and moral evaluation at a Military Entrance Processing Station to determine whether they are fit for military service. Once he is notified of the results of the evaluation, a registrant will be given 10 days to file a claim for exemption, postponement, or deferment. See also Classifications.

5. LOCAL AND APPEAL BOARDS ACTIVATED AND INDUCTION NOTICES SENT
Local and Appeal Boards will process registrant claims. Those who pass the military evaluation will receive induction orders. An inductee will have 10 days to report to a local Military Entrance Processing Station for induction.

The registrant appeal process begins when a registrant is dissatisfied with his Local Board’s decision about his reclassification request and initiates an appeal. The first line of appeal is to the District Appeal Board. In the case of non-unanimous decisions of the District Appeal Board, the registrant may appeal to the President through the National Appeal Board.

6. FIRST DRAFTEES ARE INDUCTED
According to current plans, Selective Service must deliver the first inductees to the military within 193 days from the onset of a crisis.

September 16, 2003

David Wiggins is a West Point (United States Military Academy) distinguished graduate and an honors graduate of New York Medical College. He left the Army as a Conscientious Objector, resigning his commission as an Army Captain on the Iraqi front lines during Operation Desert Storm. He is currently an Emergency Physician.

Copyright © 2003 LewRockwell.com





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LINKS REFERRED TO IN THIS ARTICLE
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Military Selective Service Act
http://www.sss.gov/PDFs/MSSA-2003.pdf

Health Care Personnel Delivery System
http://www.sss.gov/FSmedical.htm

Health Care Professionals and the Draft
http://www.nisbco.org/HCPDSWWW.htm#_Hlk51211599

other "special skills" drafts
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=33754

Selective Service System
http://www.sss.gov/

It’s Not Your Father’s Draft
http://www.afsc.org/youthmil/200202/notdraft.htm

The Center on Conscience & War
http://www.nisbco.org/

Central Committee for Conscientious Objectors
http://www.objector.org/

Chance and Circumstance
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0394412753/lewrockwell/

State Legislation
http://www.sss.gov/fsstateleg.htm

Fund for Education and Training (FEAT)
http://www.nisbco.org/FEAT.htm

Information for Registrants
http://www.sss.gov/regisrantsbk.htm

accessible by the web
http://www.sss.gov/regisrantsbk.htm

Student Postponements
http://www.sss.gov/regisrantsbk.htm#StudentPostponements

Emergency Postponements
http://www.sss.gov/regisrantsbk.htm#EmergencyPostponements

Religious Holiday Postponements
http://www.sss.gov/regisrantsbk.htm#ReligiousHolidayPostponements

Other Postponements
http://www.sss.gov/regisrantsbk.htm#OtherPostponements

State or National Examination Scheduled
http://www.sss.gov/regisrantsbk.htm#StateorNationalExaminationScheduled

Military Academy Acceptance
http://www.sss.gov/regisrantsbk.htm#MilitaryAcademyAcceptance

Reserve Officer Training Corps (ROTC) Applicant
http://www.sss.gov/regisrantsbk.htm#ReserveOfficerTrainingCorps

(ROTC)ApplicantA
http://www.sss.gov/regisrantsbk.htm#AcceptanceforReserveOfficerTrainingCorps

(ROTC)Program Acceptance for Reserve Officer Training Corps(ROTC) Program
http://www.sss.gov/regisrantsbk.htm#AcceptanceforReserveOfficerTrainingCorps

(ROTC)Program Members of the Armed Forces of the United States, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration or the Public Health Service (Class 1-C)
http://www.sss.gov/regisrantsbk.htm#(Class%201-C)

Deferment of Certain Members of a Reserve Component or Students Taking Military Training (Class 1-D-D)
http://www.sss.gov/regisrantsbk.htm#(Class%201-D-D)

Exemption of Certain Members of a Reserve Component or Student Taking Military Training (Class 1-D-E)
http://www.sss.gov/regisrantsbk.htm#(Class%201-D-E)

Conscientious Objectors Available for Noncombatant Military Service Only (Class 1-A-O)
http://www.sss.gov/regisrantsbk.htm#(Class%201-A-O)

Conscientious Objectors to All Military Service (Class 1-O)
http://www.sss.gov/regisrantsbk.htm#(Class%201-O)

Conscientious Objectors to All Military Service (Separated from Military Service) (Class1-O-S)
http://www.sss.gov/regisrantsbk.htm#(Class%201-O-S)

Registrant Deferred Because of Study Preparing for the Ministry (Class 2-D)
http://www.sss.gov/regisrantsbk.htm#(Class%202-D)

Registrant Deferred Because of Hardship to Dependents (Class 3-A)
http://www.sss.gov/regisrantsbk.htm#(Class%203-A)

Registrant Deferred Because of Hardship to Dependents
(Separated from Military Service)(Class 3-A-S)
http://www.sss.gov/regisrantsbk.htm#(Class%203-A-S)

Registrant Who Has Completed Military Service (Class 4-A)
http://www.sss.gov/regisrantsbk.htm#(Class%204-A)

Registrant Who Has Performed Military Service for a Foreign Nation (Class 4-A-A)
http://www.sss.gov/regisrantsbk.htm#(Class%204-A-A)

Official Deferred by Law (Class 4-B)
http://www.sss.gov/regisrantsbk.htm#(Class%204-B)

Alien or Dual National (Class 4-C)
http://www.sss.gov/regisrantsbk.htm#(Class%204-C)

Treaty Alien (Class 4-T)
http://www.sss.gov/regisrantsbk.htm#(Class%204-T)

Minister of Religion (Class 4-D)
http://www.sss.gov/regisrantsbk.htm#(Class%204-D)

Registrant Exempted from Service Because of the Death of His Parent or Sibling While Serving in the Armed Forces or Whose Parent or Sibling is in a Captured or Missing in Action Status (Class 4-G)
http://www.sss.gov/regisrantsbk.htm#(Class%204-G)

Registrant Not Acceptable for Military Service (Class 4-F)
http://www.sss.gov/regisrantsbk.htm#(Class%204-F)

Advice For Conscientious Objectors in the Armed Forces
http://www.objector.org/advice/contents.html


the CCCO website
http://www.objector.org/

comprehensive statement of beliefs
http://www.nisbco.org/co_worksheet.htm

letters of support
http://www.nisbco.org/Letters_of_Support.htm


CCW website
http://www.nisbco.org/

the Conscientious Objector Affirmation
http://www.nisbco.org/CO_Affirmation.htm

to learn the procedure
http://www.sss.gov/regisrantsbk.htm#(Class 1-0)

worksheet
http://www.nisbco.org/co_worksheet.htm

find books online (key word search: conscientious objection)
emergency financial assistance purchase books online
alternative direction

Center on Conscience & War (NISBCO)
http://nisbco.org/
nisbco@nisbco.org
mailto:nisbco@nisbco.org

Central Committee for Conscientious Objectors (CCCO)
http://www.objector.org
info@objector.org
mailto:info@objector.org

CCCO West
http://www.objector.org
info@objector.org
mailto:info@objector.org

The Selective Service System
http://www.sss.gov/

The Center on Conscience & War (CCW)
http://www.nisbco.org/

The Central Committee for Conscientious Objectors (CCCO)
http://www.objector.org/

The American Friends Service Committee (AFSC)
http://www.afsc.org/

Medical Workers Face Military Draft
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=33754

It’s Not Your Father’s Draft
http://www.afsc.org/youthmil/200202/notdraft.htm

Agency Structure
http://www.sss.gov/struct.htm

Classifications
http://www.sss.gov/classif.htm

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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 10:14 AM
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19. bookmarked!
very valuable info....thanks dems
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 10:33 AM
Response to Reply #19
24. Just keep pumpin out your stuff man!
Glad to oblige!

BUSH '04 = DRAFT '05
KERRY '04 = PNAC OUT THE DOOR!
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neverborn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 01:53 PM
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46. As a 17 year old, I thank you.
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 10:18 AM
Response to Original message
21. They will also take your daughters.
www.bushdraft.com
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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 10:21 AM
Response to Reply #21
22. bookmarked
thanks for that site mari
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 11:49 AM
Response to Reply #21
36. I'm running this banner on my music web site linked to bushdraft.com
Edited on Mon Apr-26-04 11:49 AM by rocknation
feel free to download:



:headbang:
rocknation
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CPschem Donating Member (606 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 10:34 AM
Response to Original message
25. Dubya & Rummy can both come to my apt
and just try to make this 24yo man to do their murdering for them. Canada's a fine country, but i'm staying right here, thanks.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 10:37 AM
Response to Reply #25
26. Actually, they will send the FBI. And they will arrest you if you don't
report. That's what they did to draft resisters during Vietnam.
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 10:46 AM
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27. I'm 26, if the country drafted me, then it would
Edited on Mon Apr-26-04 10:47 AM by Solon
be definately fucked.:) Yet both my Sister and her Fiance turned 20 this month and I am NOT going to have them die for oil and money. If Canada or Mexico won't take us I'll take a damned rowboat to Europe, I DARE * to try to stop us!
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 10:56 AM
Response to Reply #27
31. Dont forget the upcoming Special Skills Draft--up to age 44!
Are you a computer expert, linguist or engineer? THey WILL be drafted in 2005. Gotta program Star Wars you know. Men and Women up to age 44. Then whatever other occupation DoD has a shortage of. No Medical Deferment and off you go!

Under current planning also, Medical Draft people might have to register at their local PO by May 1, 2005.

BUSH '04 = DRAFT '05
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 11:14 AM
Response to Reply #31
33. Officially, no I am not a computer expert.
Unofficially, yes I am a computer expert, can operate, repair and troubleshoot any system from AIX to Mac. But the government doesn't need to know that. ;)
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democrank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 10:53 AM
Response to Original message
29. This is what it has come to....
you`re either a freedom lover or an appeaser. You`re either with Bush or you`re with the terrorists. In fact, Bush has been given the power to single-handedly create an axis of evil and determine who is part of it. The line is drawn in the sand and we`d better not cross it because the empire builders are taking notes.

They don`t care whose sons and daughters they take and Kevlar vests or not, they`re going. What they do know is that it won`t be their kids coming back with one too few legs....or worse.

Funny how the barrier of a mahogany desk can provide a platform for war talk from the pampered.

I remember Vietnam and how those in their towers ticked off numbers attached to the bottom of the economic ladder and sent them off to die. George Bush knows nothing of sacrifice, which is why he can prance around like Rambo and view war like a John Wayne movie.
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democratreformed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 10:54 AM
Response to Original message
30. NOT MY SON-IN-LAW EITHER!!!! n/t
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 10:56 AM
Response to Original message
32. "we will take to the streets"

We need to begin now.

http://protest.net /

http://www.internationalanswer.org /


http://www.internationalanswer.org/campaigns/m1/m1events.html


Int'l Day of Emergency Protests:
Saturday, June 5
March on the Pentagon
Washington DC
Gather 12 noon - White House

Mass Mobilizations in San Francisco & Los Angeles

Bring the Troops Home Now
All foriegn troops OUT of Iraq

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neverborn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 01:54 PM
Response to Reply #32
47. Sat. June 5...
I've always wanted to be at a huge demonstration.... maybe this one? :x
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fap01 Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 11:42 AM
Response to Original message
35. sad to see
how the us turns into a terroristic regime step by step. have you seen? us just launched a killer satellite - it seems herr bushler and his junta is getting more insane every month. i hope someone will prevent them from removing the remains of us-democracy that still exist - but i dont think so. if you compare the pre-war nazi-time to the current propaganda & development the parallels are shocking.
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Grins Donating Member (508 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 12:16 PM
Response to Original message
37. I'm all in favor of the draft.
I have no problem with the draft…as long as the sons and daughters of every state that goes “Red” in the next election - goes to the head of the line!! They believe in this I-am-a-war-President-can’t-think-of-a-mistake idiots administration so much - well, let them be the first to share in its glory. Especially Texas, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia and South Carolina. And in Texas - go alphabetically; but skip the “A’s” and start with the “B’s” – as in Bush, Jenna, and Bush, Barbara. They're of age. (Probably won't have to draft them. They did enlist...didn't they?)

Then all the Freepers. They love this crap. Got a friend in the Army. Said many (not all) from the above states are the Freeper, racist, non-thinking types that glorify the military and He wants them to join up! That way they can be sent to Iraq (where we know they all want to go) and get killed – just so there’ll be less of em’ in the Army! Said they are too stupid to know that the Army loves them stupid enough to go to a war.

He was transferred to a new base after 9/11 and, because that Army had to reroute his mail, accidentally missed ONE payment on a credit card. He called the credit card company (one that advertised that they “Support our troops”) as soon as he realized it, and paid over the phone. But his next statement had his interest rate jacked from 3.9% up to a 24.999% "default" rate! He explained to them he was in the Army and because of the current Afghanistan and Iraq situations some mail didn't reach him.... they didn't care. Support our Troops" indeed.

Bring on the draft!!
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rocktop15 Donating Member (376 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 12:20 PM
Response to Original message
38. They're watching you now
Ha don't be surprised when Tom Ridge comes knocking at your door soon.
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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 12:22 PM
Response to Reply #38
39. as if
take me, not my son
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TheMightyFavog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 12:37 PM
Response to Original message
41. Three Words:
Universal Life Church.

Instant 4-D!

Sorry, guys, Can't volunteer to be a chaplain, I've got my flock to tend to!

Plus I could make a shitload of beer money marrying all the poor schlamazels who do get drafted.
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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 12:38 PM
Response to Original message
42. I'm having a flashback...
NOT AGAIN!!!

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Poor Richard Donating Member (65 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 01:14 PM
Response to Reply #42
43. We already have contingency plans
I grew up a patriot. I loved the US, served in the military. I hate what this country is becoming.

I hate what we are doing in Iraq. It was obvious the first go round in Iraq that it was all about the oil.

But now I have two young children. I won't let them be drafted to fight in a rich man's war.

So the wife and I have decided that if things keep progressing like they are, we are going to pick up and move to Europe. My family is English/Scottish so maybe we will go there, and the wife speaks french. We will go by the time the oldest turns 14 or so.

I will become a citizen of another country. I never thought I would actually even consider such a thing.

War, much less a draft, should only be started to defend the US from attack. America finishes wars, not starts them. We surely didnt need to spend our money and the lives of our sons and daughters in Iraq. Although some fools still argue otherwise.

After seeing the information that Bush*co used to base their decision to go to war, I wouldn't trust that bunch to change the oil in my car
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 01:20 PM
Response to Reply #43
44.  Change the oil? They're much more likely to steal it. n/t
n/t
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liarliartieonfire Donating Member (448 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 01:40 PM
Response to Reply #43
45. Outsourcing Tech Jobs /Preparations for the Draft
Did Bush plan to implement the draft from the beginning?

Is this why he's allowed outsourcing of tech related jobs?
Techies will be part of his draft plan.

Outsource those tech jobs to protect Bush's Corporations' profits in case of the draft.

Plunge laid-off tech/skilled workers into dire financial situations by outsourcing, then force a job within the military via the draft.
Of course with their service to their country will come the "promise" of good pay and benefits!

Did Bush see outsourcing as a way of clearing the way for necessary tech/skilled draftees, while protecting the business's of his corporate backers?
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liarliartieonfire Donating Member (448 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 02:58 PM
Response to Reply #45
48. I'm emailing a copy of my theory to Pitt & Conason..
Bush's pre 9-11 Draft Plan.

Protect corp America business by outsourcing higher tech/skilled jobs.

Highly skilled tech trained Americans are then available to be drafted and used in military positions requiring such skills.

Military doesn't have to spend time and $$ training uneducated draftees.

The Iraq invasion was planned by the time Bush was in place in the White House.
They knew this war would go on for a long time,since Iraq wasn't the only country on their hit list. (they lied about this)

More military would be needed in time, thus making the draft an unavoidable option.
The planning of the invasion, the need for the draft, and protection of Bush's corp. pals (first) was one big plan, along with the need for skilled tech trained draftees.
No wonder Bush says, "Outsourcing is GOOD for America."

Maybe I should send this to Lou Dobbs. He does a lot on outsourcing. This might explain why the spinsters say it is good for America.
Dobbs always looks so baffled by these repug spinners.

Anyone else know who might be able to push this out there for public discussion?
Who's the best to publicly question this?
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 03:24 PM
Response to Original message
50. They will take your daughters also not just your sons
www.bushdraft.com
wake
up
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 04:01 PM
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51. A simple solution to the draft, etc.
Stop the damn war!

Age 26 or so, friends told me I had better register. I agreed. They dropped me at the federal building and in I went. The receptionist was astounded that I was so old and so late. Sent me into a back room where I waited for a specialist to come in and grill me. Just told them I was stupid. They agreed, made me sign some piece of paper and admonished me. Free again, I laughed all the way down the stairs. Ya know what, if I had it to do over again, I wouldn't do it; sign up, that is.

Gawd, I feel bad for you youngsters. Just remember, if you do fight, ya ain't doing it for me, or in my name. Peace!
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Bluzmann57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 04:11 PM
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52. Those bastards ain't taking my daughter
Someone else posted something about a double barreled shotgun. We don't own any guns, but I'm perfectly to go mano a mano with the a-holes. My son was in the military and doesn't have any desire to go back, as he has a wife and kid and a job he enjoys. So they can't have him either.
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 05:20 PM
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