SAIC has at least 7 contracts to set-up and run broadcast media in Iraq

[bobthedrummer]

click on SAIC
http://www.publicintegrity.org/wow/resources.aspx?act=contrib

David Kay was VP of SAIC before officially joining CIA.

Btw, Tommy Thompson hired Jerome Hauer from SAIC on 9-10-2001.
They promoted the use of Cipro in DC well BEFORE the anthrax attacks.
Jerome Hauer is in charge of public preparedness for biological warfare.

SAIC's a LIHOP mercenary imo.

[Jim Sagle]

1. This suggests that the anthrax attack on Senate Democrats was planned

well in advance, and that this fact is widely known in and around Washington.

[bobthedrummer]

2. All that I'm aware of is that the anthrax used came from Ames strain

spores that had been weaponized by the US Army for the end user CIA.

But Jerome Hauer and Tommy Thompson promoted the use of Cipro well before the anthrax attacks. Tommy Thompson bragged about his negotiating skills with Bayer (former I.G. Farben company) for 300 million doses-at the same time innocent US Postal Service workers were being infected in hot zones:grr:

[lazarus]

3. That would be

the David Kay who's been telling everyone there aren't any WMDs, there weren't any, and that Bush was wrong, right?

Also, since it's employee-owned, you'd have to assume that the employees are familiar with this LIHOP angle, right?

As for government connections, that's a standard thing in all companies like this.

From opensecrets.org, here's their total corporate donations:

SCIENCE APPLICATIONS INTERNATIONAL
WASHINGTON,DC 20006
3/28/2001
$25,000
DCCC/Non-Federal Account 1

SCIENCE APPLICATIONS INTERNATIONAL
WASHINGTON,DC 20006
N/A
10/31/2002
$10,000
DCCC/Non-Federal Account 1

SCIENCE APPLICATIONS INTERNATIONAL
WASHINGTON,DC 20006
4/7/2000
$25,000
DCCC/Non-Federal Account 1

SCIENCE APPLICATIONS INTERNATIONAL
WASHINGTON,DC 20006
N/A
3/21/2002
$25,000
DCCC/Non-Federal Account 1

SCIENCE APPLICATIONS INTERNATIONAL
WASHINGTON,DC 20037
12/22/1999
$25,000
DCCC/Non-Federal Account 1

The DCCC is the Democrats, btw.

The new CEO, Ken Dahlberg, has donated to Carl Levin, Ted Kennedy, Bill Nelson, Max Cleland, and Pat Leahy.

It's just possible that this is just another company, with multiple subsidiaries, and some are good and some are bad. One could easily find suspicious connections with government from every single company that gets government contracts to survive.

[bobthedrummer]

5. The fact that it started in 1969 during the Operation CHAOS era

of criminal CIA domestic operations is significant only to a few, I suppose. I confess, I'm a spook watcher-my 82 year old father-in-law was in the OSS btw.

[bobthedrummer]

6. Why they are making a killing on war of course-not merely "survive"ing

they are a mercenary employed by George W. Bush aka The War President and look at what they've been awarded so far
http://www.publicintegrity.org/wow/resources.aspx?act=total

And, just for those that like to play around with the english language, SAIC is CIAS reversed. lol. I agree that there are all kinds of folks in all kinds of organizations-it's the corporate culture that matters most, right?

[lazarus]

9. Corporate culture

is indeed what matters most.

The corporate culture of SAIC is survival on government and university contracts. It's a strangely structured entity. Most of it is subsidiaries set up to do specific jobs.

For instance, out here in San Diego there's AMSEC, which primarily does ship work for the Navy. It's technically part of SAIC, but I know a lot of the people who work for it, and the culture of this company, in particular, is anything but "mercenary" or evil in any way.

Any company that has contracts with the government is a mercenary by your standards, it seems. I'm not arguing that SAIC is the most progressive company since Ben & Jerry's, but when they promote a man to CEO who is a major contributor to Democrats, I have to question whether the "corporate culture" is pure Bush, Inc.

Yes, it's entirely likely that some subsidiaries or elements of SAIC are indeed making a mint off the war, and happy about it, but there are other elements that aren't happy. For instance, AMSEC had to lay off hundreds when the war began, because all the money for routine maintenance and upgrades on ships dried up, and all the ships were out of harbour. That was a very lean time for an SAIC subsidiary in San Diego. Oddly enough, more money is made locally from the military when we're at peace, since the sailors are home, the ships are here having work done on them, etc.

The section of SAIC I'm most familiar with was very unhappy with the war. They also lost some good people who were called up to active duty.

There really is no overarching "corporate culture" to SAIC, other than the standard culture one would expect from a company that thrives on government contracts. They were actually quite happy with Clinton, btw, since Clinton was placing emphasis on increasing the technology of the military, which is a major focus of SAIC and most of its subsidiaries.

I'd compare the amount of money they're making off the war with the total amount the company makes. It's not a substantial fraction. I'll do some research and find some hard numbers for you.

[bigtree]

33. you say several times that the Ceo contributes to Democrats. Proof?

Does he contribute soley to Dems or does he spread it around in proportion to the ruling party or in relation to the company's congressional benefactors?

[seemslikeadream]

4. SAIC is everywhere

Science Applications International Corporation (SAIC Canada)




Bantu Signs Agreement with SAIC Strategies Group to Deploy Bantu Secure Instant Messaging






There's some nice icons here


http://www.teao.saic.com/jfcom/html/library.html

[bobthedrummer]

7. One of the interesting facts about this spook connection SAIC/CIAS

is that the CIA has the world's largest collection of poisons and toxins, a legacy of Sid Gottlieb's Health Alteration Committee.

But SAIC is only one of the mercenaries employed by George W. Bush aka The War President, Dyn Corp is another.

Dyn Corp has the contract to "train" Iraqi police, like they did in Bosnia.:grr::argh::puke:

[bigtree]

8. My two pennies on SAIC

Vinnell Corporation, a subsidiary of Northrop Grumman Corporation, was awarded a $48 million contract to train the nucleus of a new Iraqi Army. Vinnell's subcontracts its work to MPRI, Military Professional Resources Incorporated , SAIC, Science Applications International Corp; Eagle Group International Inc, Omega Training Group ; and Worldwide Language Resources. http://www.vinnell.com/

Science Applications International Corp. has an affinity for this administration and their ambitions in Iraq. Based in San Diego, the company had two recent contracts totaling $166 million to upgrade the Royal Saudi Naval Forces' communications and command systems. http://www.saic.com/

SAIC bills itself as the largest employee-owned research and engineering firm in the nation. SAIC takes in over $5.9 billion, reflecting a growth rate of 2 percent over the previous year's revenues of $5.8 billion. About two thirds came from the U.S. Treasury, mostly from the defense budget.

SAIC was turned down in an $200 million attempt to purchase Aerospace Corp., in 1996.

The top five executives at Science Applications International Corp. of San Diego made between $825,000 and $1.8 million in salaries in 2001, and held more than $1.5 million in stock options.

Gen. Wayne Downing (U.S. Army retired), a SAIC consultant http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A40257-2003May10?language=printer served as a lobbyist before the war for the U.S.-backed Iraqi National Congress and its head, Ahmad Chalabi. Downing also served on the board of the PNAC dominated, Committee for the Liberation of Iraq.

Ret. Gen. William Owens, another former high-level military officer who sits on the boards of five companies that received millions in defense contracts, last year served as president, chief operating officer and vice chair of SAIC. Owens is also member of the Defense Policy Board which advises defense secretary Donald Rumsfeld.

The Center for Public Integrity has reported that, of the 30 Defense Policy Board members, nine have ties to companies that won more than $76 billion in defense contracts last year.

Former SAIC executives include Retired Admiral Bobby Inman Secretary Melvin Laird, ex-CIA Director Robert Gates, Secretary of Defense WilliamPerry, and former CIA Director John Deutch. A joint venture between SAIC and Bechtel, Bechtel SAIC Company will help manage and operate the Yucca Mountain nuclear waste storage program and support extensive DOE studies of Yucca Mountain's geology, hydrology, and climate. SAIC has more than 19 years of continuous service at Yucca Mountain

In 1987 Congress directed DOE to study Yucca Mountain exclusively. This site is located in remote desert terrain in Nye County, Nevada, about 100 miles northwest of Las Vegas. The next step in the repository's development is for the DOE to submit an application to the Nuclear Regulatory Commission to construct the repository.

If the license to construct is granted, the DOE would begin building a repository. The earliest waste could be accepted would be 2010. It would take about 24 years to ship all the waste to the repository. Currently, this material is stored at more than 70 temporary storage facilities in 33 states.

SAIC also runs the "Voice of the New Iraq", the radio station established on 15 April 2003 at Umm Qasr that is funded by the U.S. government.

SAIC was awarded a contract from the GSA Federal Technology Service to deliver telecommunications support services and integrated solutions for federal departments and agencies nationwide. SAIC ordered equipment that was incompatible with existing systems in Iraq. It asked for help from VOA, and was forced to rely on a dubbed network news programs.

SAIC was hired recently to investigate what called Johns Hopkins University called serious security flaws in Diebold's new voting machines. The credibility of that report is flawed from the start by the company's ties to this politically incestuous Bush administration. http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/082003Landes/082003landes.html


SAIC's Steve Rockwood boasts: "SAIC can be the window into the government for small businesses."

The Iraqi Development and Reconstruction Council, was set up to operate as an independent, non-political body to advise an Iraqi transitional authority. IDRC would rely on the existing "backbone" of Iraq's trained civil servants to continue basic services but also act as an agent for progress. http://usembassy.state.gov/islamabad/wwwh03080602.html

"There is a wealth of human resources in Iraq," said Nisreen Sideek, Minister of Reconstruction and Development from the city of Erbil in a State Dept. release.

The council is made up of about 130 Iraqi volunteers who are now assigned to Iraq's ministries in Baghdad and across the region. They offer technical experience in a wide range of fields from agriculture to health affairs

According to Middle East Reference.org., the senior members of IRDC hold positions at each of 23 Iraqi ministries, where they work closely with US and British officials under Paul Bremer, the head of the Office of Reconstruction and Humanitarian Assistance.

Members of the IRDC are officially employed by SAIC, whose vice-president until 2002 was David Kay, the WMD hunter. Kay was coordinator of SAIC's homeland security and the company’s counterterrorism initiatives.

The Center for Public Integrity reported that the contracts all appear to last for one year and call for all of the work to be directed by Undersecretary of Defense for Policy Douglas Feith.
Feith's top deputy at the Pentagon is Christopher "Ryan" Henry. Henry was a corporate vice president for strategic assessment and development at SAIC until October 2002.

Me Book

[lazarus]

10. Avi Rubin

Avi Rubin, the researcher at Johns Hopkins involved in the BBV stuff, got his first job out of college working for an SAIC subsidiary. Is that incestuous connection enough to call his credibility into question?

Again, their current CEO is major contributor to Democrats, and David Kay is no friend of the Bush administration.

[bigtree]

12. You can take the info as you please

The fact that this shadowy non-governmental organization recieves countless millions in taxpayer money should give anyone pause and merit a closer look. The actions of the individuals speak for themselves.

BTW, Kay is a question mark. The fact that he contradicts the administration on many points doesn't insulate him from questions about his ties to this monied corporation and potential conflicts of interest that may arise between these former and present government officials? How do we account for the actions of this group without asking questions?

[lazarus]

14. Well

I'm just trying to get all the info out there.

What makes SAIC "shadowy", other than their name's being CIAS backwards?

And they're not "countless millions." It's billions. And still lots less than Halliburton and Carlysle Group. Those companies, and DynCorp, are the real evil ones out there.

But it's interesting that people who love tenuous connections and find them some form of indictment ignore the connections that aren't convenient. Yeah, I believe a company's CEO - who contributes solely to Democrats - is one of those individuals whose actions should be allowed to speak for themselves.

As for Kay's "ties to this monied corporation"? He had a job, he left the job. So, is SAIC involved in his recent contradictions with the Bush administration? Or just the stuff we don't like that he said?

This company is far from being the main player if you want to find "shadowy" corporations with "countless" money. Halliburton is the one raking it in big time from the war, and the various security (mercenary) firms are doing quite well. Did you know one of them, Vance International, is receiving money directly from the Bush/Cheney campaign? That's a lot more suspicious to me than a company like SAIC, to be honest.

[bigtree]

16. Well, you like 'em

So be it. The indictment stuff is a specious charge. I'm not indicting anyone. I maintain that this is one corporation that influences our nation's foreign policy and defense decisions with its contributions and revolving door connections. Is this healthy for our country for this company to have this level of influence? I don't.

Here's some shadowy stuff:

SAIC was hired recently to investigate what called Johns Hopkins University called serious security flaws in Diebold's new voting machines. The credibility of that report is flawed from the start by the company's ties to this politically incestuous Bush administration. http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/082003Landes/082003landes...


You want my Halliburton stuff?

[bigtree]

18. Here they are in Ohio last year

Ohio replaces voting machine reviewer
09/30/03
Julie Carr Smyth
Plain Dealer Bureau

Columbus - Secretary of State Ken Blackwell has replaced a firm slated to help conduct the security review of Ohio's newly certified voting machines - after his office discovered that the firm had a financial interest in one of the machine makers.

The decision followed his office's discovery that an arm of Science Applications International Corp. had promised to make a $5 million investment that would benefit Hart Intercivic.

Hart was one of four voting machine vendors qualified this summer to sell voting machines to Ohio counties. SAIC, a Fortune 500 research and engineering firm, was to share the job of reviewing the firms' machines and software. The review was to identify security weaknesses that might jeopardize the integrity of next year's presidential election.

His decision to disqualify SAIC also headed off a second potential conflict for SAIC: It shares a lobbyist with another of Ohio's preferred vendors, Diebold Election Systems.

Maryland Gov. Robert Ehrlich Jr. launched an investigation into the matter last week, after Maryland lobbyist Gilbert J. Genn's dual employment was reported in the press.

Ehrlich had hired SAIC to conduct a security review in Maryland - and Blackwell approached the firm to do the same in Ohio - after a Johns Hopkins University study raised security concerns about Diebold's machines.

SAIC's connection to Hart Intercivic was through a third entity. It told Ohio negotiators it was committed to invest up to $5 million in Triton Venture Partners, a Texas venture capital fund that owns 12 percent of Hart Intercivic and controls one of seven seats on Hart's board.

http://www.missouri.edu/~quinnl/news/ohio.html

[slaveplanet]

34. clear channel connection?

//SAIC's connection to Hart Intercivic was through a third entity. It told Ohio negotiators it was committed to invest up to $5 million in Triton Venture Partners, a Texas venture capital fund that owns 12 percent of Hart Intercivic and controls one of seven seats on Hart's board. //

I've heard Lowrey Mays of Clear Channel owns a big chunk of Hart Intercivic...so thus he'd control both Rush Limbaugh and a percentage of our voting machines? Where does Houston Lane fit into the Saic/Hart intercivic/clearchannel/triton ventures equation???


AUSTIN, Texas – April 21, 2004 – Object Reservoir Inc., a leader in delivering reservoir knowledge to oil and gas companies, today announced it has named Marc Marshall, Vice President of Software Engineering; and HOUSTON LANE, Vice President of Marketing. Both appointments are a result of increasing demand for Object Reservoir's existing capabilities, as well as demand for new consulting and service offerings.

Lane joins Object Reservoir as VP of Marketing. His responsibilities will include oversight of marketing development and strategy, pricing, product management, and other marketing functions. He most recently worked for McKinsey & Company in Houston where he served as an Associate and Engagement Manager advising clients on diverse topics with a focus on strategy, operations, and finance. From 1997-1999, Lane served as VP of Finance for Clear Channel Communications, a global media conglomerate based in San Antonio, Texas. While at Clear Channel, he was responsible for acquisition analysis, capital markets access, and investor relations. Lane began his career as a financial analyst with Credit Suisse First Boston.

Lane received his Master's degree from Harvard Business School, graduating in the top five percent of his class, and a Bachelor's degree, magna cum laude, in Liberal Arts from the University of Texas in Austin. During the summer between years at business school, Lane worked as an Associate with Triton Ventures, an Austin-based venture capital firm.

About Object Reservoir
Object Reservoir, Inc. quickly delivers reservoir knowledge enabling early decision-making and proactive management of exploration and production company assets. Using Object Reservoir's services, customers are able to optimize recovery and realize double-digit improvement in economic performance. Based in Austin, Texas, Object Reservoir has offices in Dallas, Houston, and New Orleans. For more information, visit www.objectreservoir.com.

# # #

http://www.objectreservoir.com/news/ORNamesTwoVicePresidents.shtml

[bigtree]

35. More questions

without satisfactory answers.

But, but, but, someone says the CEO contributes to Democrats!

Sheesh! SAIC sounds more and more like the proverbial shadow government.

[lazarus]

21. That's been pointed out already

And I responded with the information that the man who opposed the report, and has been on the cutting edge of research into BBV, Avi Rubin, started his career with SAIC. But that's not enough to call his credibility into question, is it?

[bigtree]

23. You yourself pointed out that there is good and bad within an organization

I am pointing to the bad. What purpose would it serve here to absolve SAIC because some good people work for them? Should we absolve Bush and lay off because someone worthy works for him?

If there is nothing to the conflicts of interest than that will prove out. I think with an organization this large and with such powerful connections with our government and the appropriations process, there should a proportionate level of scrutiny. As for Rubin, if he is a good actor in this then that will bear out.

[bigtree]

27. Avi Rubin

Avi Rubin announced today his resignation from VoteHere, an elections systems company. (Avi Rubin's statement) His statement reads: "Effective immediately, I am resigning from the Technical Advisory Board of VoteHere, and I am returning all stock options, which have never been exercised, and which are not entirely vested." Unexercised stock options may be the least of Rubin's problems.

Rubin's relationship with VoteHere was a surprise to many.

He does not list the affiliation on his website that features an extensive and detailed listing of his work. In fact, Rubin's announcement appears to be in response to an interview with this reporter regarding questions about his affiliation with VoteHere.

In his statement today, Rubin says, "...I had not had any contact with VoteHere since I signed on to their board over 2 years ago, and I simply did not remember nor think about it. In hindsight, that is very unfortunate."

And that, as they say, is just the tip of the proverbial iceberg.

http://www.freepress.org/departments.php?strFunc=display&strID=328&strYear=2003&strDept=20

[bigtree]

28. DARPA, ARMY ANNOUNCE FUTURE COMBAT SYSTEMS LEAD SYSTEM INTEGRATOR

The Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) and the Army today announced the selection of the team of the Boeing Co. (Anaheim, Calif., and Seattle, Wash.) and Science Applications International Corp. (SAIC), (McLean, Va., and San Diego, Calif.) as the Lead Systems Integrator (LSI) for the concept and technology development phase of the Future Combat Systems program. Subject to negotiation, the Boeing-SAIC team will receive a $154 million award for this 16-month effort.

"FCS is an Army networked system of systems that serves as the core building block within all Objective Force maneuver units of action to enhance advanced joint and coalition warfighting capabilities to provide options for decisive victory to our Nation," said Lt. Gen. John Riggs, director, Objective Force Task Force. The FCS is envisioned as a networked system of systems including manned and unmanned platforms that will be capable of conducting missions for assault, indirect fires, air defense, reconnaissance, surveillance and target acquisition, and battle command and communications.

The Objective Force is the Army's future full spectrum force; organized, manned, equipped and trained to be more strategically responsive, deployable, agile, versatile, lethal, survivable, and sustainable across the entire spectrum of military operations from major theater wars through counter terrorism to homeland security. FCS tactical formations enable the Objective Force to see first, understand first, act first and finish decisively as the means to tactical success.

Military Industrial Madness.

[lazarus]

29. Plans for FCS

were first laid out in 1995, under the Clinton administration. It's just a logical outgrowth of the application of technology to military science.

I guess we could scrap it all and go back to clubs, but I doubt the rest of the world is going to cooperate.

[bigtree]

32. There may be a 'logical' outgrowth of the application of technology

to the activities of our military. But there is less logic in how these technologies are applied. The increased spying on the nation's citizens, the proliferation of technology to Russia, and China by seemingly benign corporations like Lockheed and Boeing (Lockheed Profit Up 16 Pct; Outlook Raised http://wireservice.wired.com/wired/story.asp?section=Breaking&storyId=856491&tw=wn_wire_story), the revolving door influence of former government officials, the spreading of our tax dollars to new, unnecessary weapons systems like kids in a candy store, have the potential to make our nation less secure and our citizens more vulnerable to governmental meddling.

Speech:

Upon assuming the moniker of the commander-in-chief Bush has reflexively aligned himself with the armed forces' bureaucracy which has, in the last decade, involved itself more with the projection and preservation of U.S. monied interests around the globe, than with the actual defense of democratic ideals of economic and social justice.

It was that alignment which fostered the unprecedented appointments of hundreds of the who's-who in the military industrial world to the most sensitive positions in our government offices.

The biggest threat to the World community is the proliferation of WMDs here in the U.S., facilitated by a nest of former military-industrial executives (military-industrial warriors) and shareholders in the Defense department and throughout the Bush administration.

A World Policy Institute review found that 32 major policy makers in the current administration have significant ties to the arms industry now, and prior to joining the administration. http://www.worldpolicy.org/projects/arms/reports/reportaboutface.html#III

The CDI reports that the United States military budget exceeds that of the next 25 nations combined; $400 billion a year, and that's just the public accounting. Russia follows the U.S. with a $60 billion defense budget. U.K. spends only about $35 billion a year.

Since 1992, the United States has exported more than $142 billion worth of weaponry around the world. North America accounts for more than 65% of the world's arms exports. Of the 43 countries with over $500 million in arms imports, 23 obtained 2/3 or more from the U.S. http://www.cdi.org/document/search/displaydoc.cfm?DocumentID=216&StartRow=1&ListRows=10

With the new money appropriated for homeland defense ($38 billion for FY 2003), virtually all of the big defense contractors — Boeing, Lockheed Martin, and Raytheon have started hawking their products for use in domestic security.

In order to replace weapons used in Afghanistan, and in concert with the military conflict in Iraq, most U.S. weapons makers have increased production. Bombs are big business again and the Bush administration has opened the candy store, exporting death, conquest, and perpetual war.

Current Lockheed chairman Vance Coffman said that his company would "honor the trust shown by the Pentagon."

However, these corporations simply cannot be trusted to keep their word or their commitments over the length of these multibillion, multi-year contracts which are awarded and maintained with responsibility for oversight falling into the hands of several successive administrations and legislatures.

Ronald Sugar, the new head of Northrup-Grumman, at a recent conservative policy forum on the defense industry remarked, that he expects the government to be responsible for a financially stable military industry.

"Time is risk, . . . the defense industry needs steady, predictable growth," he said.

Pentagon senior defense consultant Richard Perle, who also spoke at the conference, opined that, "A profitable defense industry keeps America strong." Profits have been pretty darn good; CEO pay, however, has been even better. http://www.cspan.org/Search/basic.asp?ResultStart=1&ResultCount=10&BasicQueryText=American+Institute+of+Aeronautics

According to the study by United for a Fair Economy, More Bucks for the Bang: ", the median CEO salary at the 37 largest publicly traded defense contractors rose 79% between 2001 and 2002 whereas overall CEO salary increased only 6%. In 2002, defense industry CEOs earned an average of $5.4 million - or 577 times as much as a private in Iraq - while other U.S. CEOs, on average, earned "only" $3.7 million." http://www.ufenet.org/press/2003/BucksforBang.pdf

The corporations just can't turn down the opportunity to make a buck. They seem unconcerned about the information transfers' impacts on future U.S. security.

Indeed, the weapons manufacturers often sell the same systems to the Russians and others around the world that they sell to the U.S. In the last decade, every new national security report has determined that we are being out maneuvered by Russia or China in space; but it's our own contractors that are selling out. They share our sensitive technology with Russia, and in turn, the Russians share it with everyone else.

With all of the protective measures the U.S. employs to keep up with Russia and China militarily, it's a wonder that they still launch their projects into space together, on the same base, and in many cases, on the same flight. http://www.oosa.unvienna.org/isis/highlights2000/sect2b.html http://www.khrunichev.com/

We have consistently looked the other way as the same corporations who supply Russia with weapons' technology - who in turn supply China - inflate our own nation's arsenal.

The Pentagon just can't seem to keep our own military contractors from proliferating their sensitive technology around the globe. They are pitting nation against nation in a death race as they steadily increase our military corporation- compromised arsenal. And then they turn around and destroy the weapons again in phony conflicts.

They lord over our defense' dollars in our government houses and shepherd the money into some death merchant's bank account. Where's the security?

This industry is unchecked and out of control. Instead of turning these new programs down, we increase the buy. And when there is abuse, the corporate defenders in the Pentagon shuffle the contracts. Short-funded in appropriations? Merge, sell off shares and wait it out in a government office to better effect the revival of the military industry's rejected projects.

There is no question that in this incestuous weapons production pyramid, the shareholder's bottom line dictates the amount of support and funding an individual project would receive, especially when so many of the principles in and out of government have large amounts of money and prestige invested in the success of these weapon's deals.

It should be remembered that there is no pot of money sitting around unneeded to dip into for these military projects. No starry-eyed mission can be sustained without the military bonanza of nervous cash; and you can't easily turn this industry off once you've given them the money and licence to fiddle.

At the military industry conference hosted by the American Enterprise Institute, defense policy advisor Richard Perle mused that, "It would be better if we simply handed the money to the defense industry and let them invest it themselves, . . . but Congress likes to control that . . . , but it gives the impression that the merchants of death are unduly licenced."

Perle then made a weak plea for less regulation of arms exports ($140 + billion since 1992), and suggested that export licencing be consolidated into one agency. I wonder who the administration executives will suggest to head that office.

Industry lawyers; resumes at the ready!

You can hear the regret in his statement. If we would only just give the industry the money they want, no strings attached; they would provide for the nation's defense needs.

The industry wants us to believe that they are the best judges of what the next generation's needs are in terms of weaponry.

But the existence of these corporations and their new hi-tech boondoggles will not make us anymore secure than the existence of these same executives in our government have kept our sons and daughters from dying in senseless wars.

Mods, this rant contains excerpts from my book-

Me Book

[cosmicdot]

11. a major business focus of SAIC in the '80s was in Saudia Arabia

... building SA's telecommunication's infrastructure ...

learned that during a job interview back then

just some SAIC tidbits .....................

SAIC is the nation's largest employee-owned research and engineering company, providing information technology, systems integration and eBusiness products and services to commercial and government customers. SAIC is not only working as a private military contractor for the Pentagon, but also for the CIA. SAIC supports the navy and air defenses of Saudi Arabia (for the Royal Saudi Naval Forces program).

SAIC and its subsidiaries, including Telcordia Technologies, have more than 41,000 employees at offices in more than 150 cities worldwide.
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=976

several SAIC scoops here:

i.e., Coverage Of The SAIC Diebold Report: MARYLAND USES HUGE CIA-DOD CONTRACTOR (SAIC) TO JUSTIFY E-VOTING SYSTEM

http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0309/S00234.htm


Vinnell is responsible for training the New Iraqi Army (NIA). Work on the $48 million one-year contract began July 1, 2003, and is expected to be completed by June 30, 2004. The contract includes a feature called "Not-To-Exceed Cost Ceiling," meaning that Vinnell's total contract invoices for the first six months cannot exceed 50 percent of the contract estimate, or $24,037,221.

The first recruits, who will be paid $60 a month, started a nine-week basic training course in August. On Oct. 4, 2003, 700 soldiers, including nearly 70 officers, graduated to become the first unit of the New Iraqi Army. The following day a second battalion began the nine-week course. According to the work statement from the Army to Vinnell, obtained by the Center for Public Integrity under the Freedom of Information Act, the goal is that "a total of nine truck-mobile infantry battalions will be trained in the first year with 1,000 recruits trained in each battalion cohort." Vinnell is using five subcontractors: Military Professional Resources Incorporated (MPRI), Science Applications International Corporation (SAIC), Eagle Group International Inc., Omega Training Group, and Worldwide Language Resources Inc. As opposed to Afghanistan, where coalition forces conducted much of the training, the decision to outsource military training in Iraq reportedly was made because U.S. troops are spread too thin.
http://www.publicintegrity.org/wow/bio.aspx?act=pro&ddlC=64

Iraq: SAIC has been awarded seven contracts by the Defense Department to provide experts and advisers on development of representative government in Iraq; restore and upgrade the country's broadcast media; and provide a group of Iraqi expatriates to assist coalition officials working in the country. The value of the contracts, which were obtained by the Center for Public Integrity under the Freedom of Information Act, was blacked out in copies provided by the Defense Department. A Pentagon FOIA officer said keeping the information secret "was an appropriate way to avoid substantial competitive harm to the contractor" and was "due to the sensitive nature of the Iraqi contracts." SAIC officials referred all media calls to the Pentagon.
http://www.publicintegrity.org/wow/bio.aspx?act=pro&ddlC=51

SAIC successfully completed the development phase of its largest program – the design, development and integration of a multi-million dollar C3 (command, control, and communication) system for a foreign navy (Saudi Arabia)
http://www.saic.com/about/timeline/1984.html

US Company Members of the US-Saudi Arabia Business Council

3M
ABB
The AES Corporation
Akin, Gump, Strauss, Hauer & Feld, L.L.P.
Amerada Hess Corporation
American International Group, Inc.
Ameron International Corporation
Baker & McKenzie
Bank of America
The Bank of New York
Bechtel
The Boeing Company
Booz Allen Hamilton
BP
Chevron Phillips Chemical Company
Chevron Texaco
Chicago Bridge & Iron Company
CIGNA Corporation
Citigroup Inc.
The Coca-Cola Company
COLSA International
Computer Sciences Corporation
ConocoPhillips
Deloitte & Touche
Delphi Energy & Engine Management Systems
Dimensional Fund Advisors, Inc.
Duke Engineering Services
Ernst & Young
Exxon Mobil Corporation
Fluor Daniel
General Dynamics Corporation
General Electric Company
Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher, L.L.P.
Guardian Industries
Halliburton Company
Health Resources and Technology, Inc.
IBM
J.P. Morgan Chase & Co.
LCC International
LeBoeuf, Lamb, Greene & MacRae, L.L.P.
Lockheed Martin Corporation
Lucent Technologies Inc.
Marathon Oil Company
Marsh & McLennan
Merck & Co., Inc.
Merrill Lynch
Microsoft Corporation
Midstream Partners, LLC
MK Capital, LLC
Morgan Stanley
Motorola Inc.
Northrop Grumman
Occidental Petroleum Corporation
Parsons E&C
PepsiCo International
Pfizer International Inc.
Philadelphia International Medicine
Philip Morris Companies
Piper Rudnick
Raytheon Company
Rock Creek Corporation
SAIC
Schlumberger Limited
Siemens Westinghouse Power Corporation
Spacelink International
Strongwell Corporation
Textron Systems, Inc.
Trust Company of the West
Union Carbide Corporation
United Technologies Corporation
VTLS, Inc.
Wachovia
Wamar International
WorldSpace Management Corporation

http://www.us-saudi-business.org/members.htm

[cosmicdot]

13. SAIC's Board of Directors

from the 2003 proxy
NOTICE OF ANNUAL MEETING OF STOCKHOLDERS
To Be Held July 11, 2003

Vanguard Fiduciary Trust Company, as trustee
400 Vanguard Boulevard
Malvern, PA 19355 is the Beneficial Owner of 43.8% of SAIC's stock; JR Beyster owns 1.5%, the most of any board member; Board, as a whole, owns 4.1%


D.P. Andrews, age 58
Corporate Executive Vice President and Director Director since 1996

Mr. Andrews joined the Company in 1993 and has served as a Corporate Executive Vice President since January 1998. Prior thereto, Mr. Andrews served as Executive Vice President for Corporate Development from 1995 to 1998. Prior to joining the Company, Mr. Andrews served as Assistant Secretary of Defense from 1989 to 1993.

W.H. Demisch, age 58
Director

Director since 1990

Mr. Demisch is a Financial Consultant. He was a Managing Director of Dresdner Kleinwort Wasserstein, formerly Wasserstein Perella Securities, Inc., from 1998 to 2002. From 1993 to 1998, he was Managing Director of BT Alex. Brown and from 1988 to 1993, he was Managing Director of UBS Securities, Inc.

J.A. Drummond, age 63

Nominee for Director

Mr. Drummond was employed by BellSouth Corporation from 1962 until his retirement in December 2001. He served as Vice Chairman of BellSouth Corporation from January 2000 until his retirement. He was President and Chief Executive Officer of BellSouth Communications Group, a provider of traditional telephone operations and products, from January 1998 until December 1999. He was President and Chief Executive Officer of BellSouth Telecommunications, Inc. from January 1995 until December 1997. Mr. Drummond also serves on the boards of directors of Borg-Warner Automotive, AirTran Holdings, Inc. and Centillium Communications, Inc.

J.E. Glancy, age 57
Executive Vice President and Director

Director since 1994

Dr. Glancy joined the Company in 1976 and has served as an Executive Vice President since 2000. Prior thereto, Dr. Glancy served as a Corporate Executive Vice President from 1994 to 2000.

H.M.J. Kraemer, Jr., age 48
Director

Director since 1997

Mr. Kraemer has served as the Chairman of Baxter International, Inc. ("Baxter"), a health-care products, systems and services company, since January 2000, as Chief Executive Officer of Baxter since January 1999 and as President of Baxter since April 1997. Prior thereto, Mr. Kraemer served as the Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer of Baxter from November 1993 to April 1997.

C.B. Malone, age 67
Director

Director since 1993

Ms. Malone has served as the President of Financial & Management Consulting, Inc., a consulting company, since 1982. Ms. Malone is also a member of the Board of Directors of Hasbro, Inc., Lafarge North America and Lowe's Companies, Inc.


R.I. Walker, age 38
Corporate Executive Vice President and Director

Director since 2002

Mr. Walker joined the Company in 2002 and has served as a Corporate Executive Vice President since July 2002. Prior to joining the Company, Mr. Walker served as Vice President/General Manager of IBM Global Services from 1996 to 2002, and Manager with Deloitte & Touche LLP from 1994 to 1996.


J.R. Beyster, age 78
Chairman of the Board, Chief Executive Officer and President Director since 1969

Dr. Beyster founded the Company in 1969 and has served as Chairman of the Board and Chief Executive Officer since that time and has served as President since June 1998. Dr. Beyster also served as President of the Company from 1969 to 1988.

M.J. Desch, age 45
Director

Director since 2002

Mr. Desch has been Chief Executive Officer of Telcordia Technologies, Inc., a wholly-owned subsidiary of the Company ("Telcordia"), since July 2002 and a Director since October 2002. Mr. Desch has also served as Chairman of Airspan Networks since 2000. Prior thereto, Mr. Desch was associated with Nortel Networks Corporation from 1987 to 2000 where he served as Executive Vice President and President.

B.R. Inman, age 72
Director

Director since 1982

Admiral Inman, USN (Ret.) joined the Company in 1990 as a part-time employee and, in that capacity, advises the Company on a wide variety of strategic planning issues. Admiral Inman was the Chairman of the Board, President and Chief Executive Officer of Westmark Systems, Inc., an electronics industry holding company, from 1986 through 1989. From 1983 to 1986, Admiral Inman served as Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer of Microelectronics and Computer Technology Corporation. Admiral Inman retired from the United States Navy in 1982. During his career as a United States Naval Officer, Admiral Inman served in a number of high-level positions in the U.S. Government, including Director of the National Security Agency and Deputy Director of Central Intelligence. Admiral Inman is also a member of the Board of Directors of Fluor Corporation, Massey Energy Company, SBC Communications, Inc. and Temple-Inland, Inc. and holds the Lyndon B. Johnson Centennial Chair in National Policy at the University of Texas at Austin.

M.E. Trout, age 72
Director

Director since 1995

Dr. Trout served as the interim Chief Executive Officer of Cytran, Inc., a bio-technology company, from April 1996 to July 1996. Prior thereto, Dr. Trout was associated with American Healthcare Systems, Inc. from 1986 until his retirement in 1995. Prior to his retirement, Dr. Trout served as Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer and is currently serving as Chairman Emeritus of American Healthcare Systems, Inc. He is also the Chairman of the Board of Cytyc Corporation and a member of the Board of Directors of Baxter International, Inc. and West Pharmaceutical Services, Inc.


J.H. Warner, Jr., age 62
Corporate Executive Vice President and Director

Director since 1988

Dr. Warner joined the Company in 1973 and has served as a Corporate Executive Vice President since 1996. Prior thereto, Dr. Warner served as an Executive Vice President from 1989 to 1996.

A.T. Young, age 65
Director

Director since 1995

Mr. Young served as an Executive Vice President of Lockheed Martin Corp. from March 1995 to July 1995. Prior to its merger with Lockheed Corporation, Mr. Young served as the President and Chief Operating Officer of Martin Marietta Corp. from 1990 to 1995. Mr. Young is also on the Board of Directors of the B.F. Goodrich Company and Potomac Electric Power Company.


W.A. Downing, age 63
Director Director since 2002

General Downing, USA (Ret.) joined the Company as a part-time employee in March 1996 and advises the Company on a wide variety of matters, including its long-term strategy for domestic and international business development. General Downing has also served as Vice President of Downing & Associates, Inc., a consulting firm, since July 2002 and from 1996 to October 2001. From October 2001 to July 2002, General Downing served as Deputy Assistant Director for International Counter-terrorism Initiatives of the National Security Council. General Downing retired from the United States Army in 1996. Prior to his retirement, General Downing served as the Commander in Chief of U.S. Special Operations Command. General Downing has also served as the Commanding General of U.S. Army Special Operations Command and Commanding General of Joint Special Operations Command. General Downing also served as a Director of the Company from 1996 to 2001. General Downing is also on the Board of Directors of Metal Storm Limited.

D.H. Foley, age 58
Executive Vice President and Director

Director since 2002

Mr. Foley joined the Company in 1992 and has served as an Executive Vice President since 2000. Prior thereto, Mr. Foley served as a Sector Vice President from 1992 to 2000.

A.K. Jones, age 61
Director

Director since 1998

Dr. Jones is the Quarles Professor of Engineering at the University of Virginia where she has taught since 1989. From 1993 to 1997, Dr. Jones was on leave of absence from the University to serve as Director of Defense Research and Engineering in the U.S. Department of Defense. Dr. Jones also served as a Director of the Company from 1987 to 1993.

S.D. Rockwood, age 60
Executive Vice President and Director

Director since 1996

Dr. Rockwood joined the Company in 1986 and has served as an Executive Vice President since 1997. Prior thereto, Dr. Rockwood served as a Sector Vice President from 1987 to 1997.


E.J. Sanderson, Jr., age 54
Director

Director since 2002

Mr. Sanderson served as Executive Vice President of Oracle Corporation from 1995 to 2001, and was responsible for Oracle Product Industries, Oracle Consulting, and the Latin American Division. Prior to that he held senior positions at Unisys, McKinsey & Company, and Accenture (formerly Andersen Consulting). Mr. Sanderson is also a member of the Board of Directors of Quantum Corporation.

R. Snyderman, age 63
Director

Director since 2002

Dr. Snyderman has served as Chancellor for Health Affairs at Duke University since 1989, Executive Dean of the School of Medicine at Duke University since 1999 and the President and Chief Executive Officer of Duke University Health System since 1998. He also served as Dean of the School of Medicine at Duke University from 1989 to 1999. Dr. Snyderman is a member of the Board of Directors of Cardiome Pharma Corporation and The Proctor & Gamble Company.

J.P. Walkush, age 51
Executive Vice President and Director

Director since 1996

Mr. Walkush joined the Company in 1976 and has served as an Executive Vice President since 2000. Prior thereto, Mr. Walkush served as a Sector Vice President from 1994 to 2000.

http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/353394/000104746903019902/a2110788zdef14a.htm

[bobthedrummer]

20. Thanks for participating in this thread, cosmicdot.

:hi:

[lazarus]

15. time to boycott soda

Since both Pepsi and Coke are on the list.

And everyone get rid of your cell phones, Motorola's on the list, too.

And dump your PCs, Microsoft and IBM are on the list.

And stop using Post-It notes, 3M is on the list.

Again, if you looked, you could find links as suspicious as SAIC's for just about any major company in America.

[bigtree]

17. We regularly investigate these same corporations for violations of law

I regularly boycott these same corporations when they operate outside of the law or outside of my interests. I don't think they are above critisism just because they produce popular items.

[lazarus]

22. Good

And SAIC is regularly investigated and penalised when it steps outside the law. And they tend to be hit a lot more harshly that Halliburton, which they're in competition with.

But that's okay, the political contribution of the CEO, folks like Ted Kennedy, are plenty to demonstrate that this corporation is "shadowy" and evil and dedicated to helping Bush. :eyes:

[bigtree]

24. Your hero BBV has the SAIC/ Diebold story featured on their page

http://www.blackboxvoting.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=80

They must not be as convinced as you of SAIC's benignty.

[bigtree]

25. Mysterious, in part because . . .

Massive military contractor's media mess
By Katrin Dauenhauer and Jim Lobe

SAIC is among the most mysterious and feared of the big 10 defense giants - feared because of its ruthlessness in procuring contracts, says the Washington Post; mysterious, in part because, as an employee-owned company, it does not have to file with the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC), and because its press officers are notorious for not providing information. Indeed, for this article, SAIC press officers referred all questions to the Pentagon's general press office.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/EH16Ak02.html

[bigtree]

26. They 'won' the Lead Systems Operations contract with DARPA

and operated there under John 'War Futures' Poindexter. They 'won' an award for excellence from DARPA in '96, and are currently involved in microtechnology surveillence work.

DARPA has your identity, encoded for posterity. Each and every single one of you. Right now and forever. As you read this they are working on your ID, your facial characteristics, your breath, your behavior, your biometric signature, even your thought processes.

http://www.darpa.mil/iao/

[lazarus]

30. Ah, yes, DARPA

You do realise that this is another situation where it's quite easy to conflate and confuse the goals of various government agencies, right?

Are you aware of the history of DARPA?

http://www.darpa.mil/body/arpa_darpa.html

ARPA - DoD directive 5105.15 establishing the Advanced Research Projects Agency (ARPA) was signed on February 7, 1958. The directive gave ARPA the responsibility "for the direction or performance of such advanced projects in the field of research and development as the Secretary of Defense shall, from time to time, designate by individual project or by category."

DARPA - On March 23, 1972, by DoD Directive, the name was changed to the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA). DARPA was established as a separate defense agency under the Office of the Secretary of Defense.

ARPA - On February 22, 1993, DARPA was redesignated the Advanced Research Projects Agency (ARPA) -- as the agency was known before 1972. The change was outlined in President Bill Clinton's strategy paper, "Technology for America's Economic Growth, A New Direction to Build Economic Strength."

DARPA - On February 10, 1996, Public Law 104-106, under Title IX of the Fiscal Year 1996 Defense Authorization Act, directed an organizational name change to the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA).


Man, Bush has been at it since the late '50s. He's the anti-Christ, alright.

Oh, and BBV isn't "my hero," and I have no idea where you came up with that concept. Are you sure you're actually reading my posts, rather than just spewing out the same few accusations against SAIC?

For instance, I'm still wondering why this "shadowy" company is about to go public. Any ideas? Is that going to help their "shadowy" agenda, whatever that might be?

[bigtree]

31. Are you aware of the history of Poindexter?

Poindexter has worked for Darpa since January 2002, serving as director of its Information Awareness Office, and earns an annual salary of $142,500, the Pentagon said.

Poindexter served as President Reagan's national security adviser in the 1980s. He became a central figure in the Iran-Contra scandal in which Reagan administration officials diverted cash from secret sales of arms to Iran to bankroll Nicaraguan guerrillas at a time when such aid was forbidden by Congress. He was convicted of lying to Congress, but the conviction later was set aside.

Poindexter earlier spearheaded a computerized surveillance project to collect information about potential terrorist threats by scouring private databases containing mountains of information about millions of people, drawing fire from privacy advocates. Darpa had said the $8 million Policy Analysis Market project was meant to explore the power of futures markets to predict and possibly prevent terrorist attacks, arguing that futures projects had a track record of being good at predicting events such as election results.

Among the lawmakers who expressed concern about the Darpa projects, Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.), said, "The problem is that these projects were just fine with the administration until the public found out about them…. The lesson seems to be that you can do whatever you want quietly, so long as it doesn't become a public embarrassment."

Poindexter also was embroiled in controversy over the surveillance project previously called Terrorism Information Awareness. After a wide range of critics blasted the project's potential for invasion of privacy, lawmakers and the Defense Department established limits on the system.

http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0%2C1283%2C59853%2C00.html


Why should we look the other way as the influence of this company (SAIC) grows in relation to these intrusive, big brother, Dr. Strangelove projects paid for with our tax dollars? When public money is involved it is a concern. When the government spies on its citizens it is a concern.

I posted the explanation for the shadowy aspect of SAIC above. No SEC filing or accountability, questions about its operations filtered through the Pentagon. But, you would have me believe that their efforts are benign and misunderstood. How do you know what they are actually up to? You can take all of your reasoning and just as easily surmise that the company has too much unaccountable influence on appropriations and the direction of our military and foreign policy. Or, you could take the window-dressing nicities and look the other way, satisfied that our government and its cronies know best. You haven't absolved them with your cheerleading. I haven't indicted them with my questions. More of their activities deserve to see the light of day. I'm not convinced that the role they play in our security, voting, information management, and spying is in the best interest of the country.

[lazarus]

36. You have indicted them

with your choice of words and phrases, among them the very word being discussed here, "shadowy".

But I'm done with this, you've obviously got an axe to grind and lots of rants pre-written that don't actually address the issue. You indict all of DARPA because Poindexter works for one department. Let's go ahead and indict the entire government at that point, since he works for the federal government.

You have a different interpretation of the facts, that's fine. You have yet to answer or explain any of the points I've raised, except to call them "window dressing". Great, go ahead. But the fact is, this "shadowy" corporation is about to go public, and they've hired as CEO a man whose political contributions are all to Democrats. Sounds good and evil to me. :eyes:

[bobthedrummer]

19. Just think-there goes our tax money, to employ mercenaries!!!!!!!!!

:nuke: