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bacchant Donating Member (747 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 10:21 AM
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GAME OVER!
Bush or no this place is history, and so am I. That the media can simply ignore 800,000 to a million and a half people marching on Washington, says it all. The thin veneer of democracy has worn away and the people don't care. There's been a shift; Canada, New Zealand, and Europe are the new Americas. R.I.P. U.S.A.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 10:25 AM
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1. Republican response will be
Sure, 800,000 marched on Washington - that leaves 280,000,000 or so that did not march. The Fright Wing will label them as Feminazis and East Coast limousine libruls.

And, I saw a crawl on CNN that said 300,000 and Faux news is reportedly saying 100,000.
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July Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 10:28 AM
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2. Let's use their logic on the RW representation.
Reports are that there were around 200 protestors against the march. So . . . how many weren't there, then?
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bacchant Donating Member (747 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 10:29 AM
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3. As they say
"The first casualty when war comes, is truth"
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Nashyra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 10:30 AM
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5. My husband caught something on the news
where they were interviewing Repuke women who were marching and they said that the * disappointed them and he would have to change his views to get their vote.
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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 10:47 AM
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10. Don't be surprised if he does.
Poppy went from pro-choice on his own 1980 campaign to pro-life when he hijacked the Reagan machine. Junior could just as easily reverse himself if he thought the moderate Republicans gained would make up for the religious reich types lost.

Anyone who mistakes George Bush Jr as "pro life" is deluded anyway. Highest execution rate as governor of Texas (some of which were questionable to say the least). 3000 dead on 9-11. 700 dead in Iraq (and that's just the Americans) Yeah, he's about as pro-life as Idi Amin.
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 10:30 AM
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4. And that was on a weekend, not during a workday
that the Right-To-Lifers seem to be able to draw. Hmm, not too many of them seem to have day jobs.

I also noticed that there were approx 1K RTLs there, from the news reports. Choicers could have kicked the living stuff out of the RTLifers, had they chosen to take the Right-Wing route.

Of course, Faux News probably counted the Choicers in the hundreds, the RTLifers in the tens of thousands . . .
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democratreformed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 10:31 AM
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6. I knew it a long time ago
Edited on Mon Apr-26-04 10:32 AM by democratreformed
Several years, to be exact.

Edit: The realization never ceases to amaze me, however. And that realization is continually reinforced by things like you mentioned.
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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 10:34 AM
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7. I really couldn't believe it either. If I had not seen C-Span, I would
not have really known what happened. That a country this big and this diverse is so willingly ignorant (if they did not want to be couch potatoes they would be demonstrating en-masse for all the rights they have lost and continue to lose).
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bacchant Donating Member (747 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 10:44 AM
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9. The most telling aspect is
the uniformity of the lack of coverage. How is it possible unless the networks colluded to nix the story? Whether you agree with the marchers or not, there is no denying the news-worthiness of such a massive event.

It boggles the mind.
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 10:41 AM
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8. This deserves a pic.
Edited on Mon Apr-26-04 10:42 AM by Touchdown


From Tempest 2000. Bush's new storm!
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 10:55 AM
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11. fact that they are downplaying the numbers and passion of the marchers
shows that We The People are gaining ground. You gonna give up now? Just because they lie about what the people want? You haven't done this long enough perhaps.

Freedoms aren't just won. They are constantly defended. Ask the career military officer who is in it because he/she really understands duty. Ask the school teacher who faces new students each and every year and has to get the same message across so each class can have the tools they need.

My granny went down to register to vote as soon as women were allowed to do that. She also read her state rules on who could serve as elections judges. She became one of those too. She knew being able to register was not the same as being handed a ballot. She knew there would be plenty of good ol boys who would very likely discourage, disparage or out right disallow women to exercise their franchise unless women were actually poll officials along side them to assure that franchise.

She was there for every election for the rest of her life, that old woman, crippled since infancy. She always made it to work the polls, made sure NOBODY was denied their rights, and to keep an eye on the ballot box so NOBODY messed with it.

In 1962 she had to have yet another extended hospital stay. There was a primary election coming up. She got out of the hospital and had her husband driver her to the polling place where she had been assigned for that election. She died there, doing her duty, playing her small part in maintaining the honor and integrity of that polling place because she knew it had to be done. She knew it had to be done over and over again to defend the sanctity of that sacred agreement between citizen and state.

She could have done it once, met with the hazing the good ol boys gave the women who went to vote, given up trying to make America better.

She could have just 'stayed in and fix Mr. Weed lunch' as she was often chided to do. But she didn't. The little old lady who could barely walk a block or stand unassisted for 10 minutes made it to the polling place every time for the rest of her life. She died there, with her boots (well, orthopedic shoes anyway) on.

We can't do it all but we can each pick a few issues to really throw our efforts toward. We can each work at defending some part of America.

Throw in the towel and give up on America? You go ahead and do that if you feel you must. Me, it seems to be in my blood to stay in the ongoing defense of freedom. It seems to be in my daughter's blood just as it was in my mother's. We pick our issues and we defend freedom.

We won't send you a postcard when the battle is over, because defense of freedom and liberty is never, never finished. It is taken up each and every day or it is lost.

All those people yesterday in DC, they were just reminding folks of that. If the media distorts reports of the events, it is because somebody wants folks to give up the daily defense of freedom.

My granny would give my hell from her side of the grave if I were ever tempted to give up. Wish you could have met her.
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demnan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 11:13 AM
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14. Beautifully stated
I'll be out there in the trenches too! Hell if I'm gonna let them win!
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bacchant Donating Member (747 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 11:37 AM
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18. I'd like to have met her
Fighting for what you believe is no doubt noble, but this country's eternal pendulum cuts a swath of destruction every time it swings right. I believe in fighting to make my country a better place for all, I'm just not so sure this is my country anymore. What do you do when you discover you have more in common with other cultures than your own? I guess I'm tired of being a participant in an endless tug-O-war, locked in stagnant ideological equilibrium, while the rest of the world pays for it.


Ok so I'm a little dark today.

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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 11:48 AM
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21. Tomorrow will be better, awake, you must look to tomorrow
Here, have a cookie; my grandmother's recipe. It's a strange little cookie, with a pinch of this and a dash of that all mixed togetherwith some of those, but the result is a pleasing surprise and it holds up well.

We all have our dark days. That is why I am so grateful for the DU. On my dark days, somebody here always helps me find my light again. That's what war buddies are for. ;-)

Have another cookie.
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RedEagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 12:19 PM
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22. Courage comes in many packages
Havocmom,

May I copy your wonderful story and tell a few others about it?
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Bill McBlueState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 10:59 AM
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12. 1 in 250
Someone pointed out yesterday that one in every 250 Americans was at the march. Isn't that amazing?

Probably only twice as many watched any cable news at all yesterday. (I think CNN + FAKE + MSNBC only get about 5% of the TV audience total.)

So if everyone at the march tells ten or twenty friends what *really* happened, we can tell the cable news outlets to go fuck themselves. We have a bigger "viewership"!
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 11:12 AM
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13. You Should Look at the Front Page of the Washington Post Today
Women's Rally Draws Vast Crowd
Marchers Champion Reproductive Rights, Opposition to Bush

Hundreds of thousands of people filled the Mall and marched along Pennsylvania Avenue yesterday to show their support for abortion rights, loudly identifying President Bush as the leading enemy of "reproductive freedom."

Organizers of the March for Women's Lives said they had drawn 1.15 million people, which would make it the largest abortion rights gathering in history. "This has been the largest march for reproductive rights, the largest march for women's rights and the largest march of any kind in this country," said Kim Gandy, president of the National Organization for Women."

---snip

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A41997-2004Apr25.html

Gallery (the first photo is the most important, and was above the fold on the print edition):

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/photo/metro/G41354-2004Apr25.html




and...
March One Of Largest Mall Events

With more than 500,000 participating, yesterday's March for Women's Lives was among the largest demonstrations ever held on the Mall. Organizers said the march drew 1.15 million people.

--snip

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A42050-2004Apr25.html


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demnan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 11:16 AM
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16. Here we are!
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bacchant Donating Member (747 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 11:43 AM
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19. Right On WAPO but
What are the numbers of people who get their news from papers as compared to TV? On network television there was nary a peep about this.
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ellie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 11:30 AM
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17. Thank you for posting the link
to see these photos. And thank you to everyone who marched to protect women yesterday. Sometimes it is easy to get discouraged, to believe you are the only one that feels a certain way. Then you realize that others feel the same way you do and you feel better about it. We are not alone. * and his minions are much hated and will be defeated. Good always triumphs over evil.
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info being Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 11:14 AM
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15. I'm with you dude. 10 months to go for me.
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 11:45 AM
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20. we the people can buy up the media
stocks and fire the media whores and their owners.
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Lindacooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 12:27 PM
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23. Don't give up yet
I have a feeling that media 'pundits' are going to be very surprised by the election results in November. The anger against Bush is very real and it's simmering away. Just look at the turnout in Democratic primaries and caucuses across the country - many 10 times the turnout in 2000.

The only way to affect change is to stay here, encourage others to vote, get the message out anyway we can, and VOTE.
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