BBV: The RECORD Act has more Sentate cosponsors than The Voter Confidence

[Eric J in MN]

"The RECORD Act of 2004" has more Sentate cosponsors than "The Voter Confidence Act."

All the Senate cosponsors of "The Voter Confidence Act" are also cosponsors of "The RECORD Act."

I think activists should promote "The RECORD Act of 2004," bill number S. 2313, by calling our Senators.

We can do this by dialing
1-800=839-5276,

asking to be transferred to the office of one of our Senators, and then saying something like, "I'd like to leave a message for the Senator to please cosponsor 'The RECORD Act of 2004,' bill number S. 2313, which requires electronic voting machines to print paper balltos."



The RECORD Act of 2004, bill number S. 2313.

"`(B) MANUAL AUDIT CAPACITY- The permanent voter verified paper record produced in accordance with subparagraph (A) shall--

`(i) be preserved within the polling place, in the manner, if any, in which all other paper ballots are preserved within that polling place, or, in the manner employed by the jurisdiction for preserving paper ballots in general, for later use in any manual audit;

`(ii) be suitable for a manual audit equivalent or superior to that of a paper ballot voting system; and

`(iii) be available as an official record and shall be the official record used for any recount conducted with respect to any election in which the system is used.'."

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c108:1:./temp/~c1085jefRY ::

to get the above link to work, you may have to add "::"


BBV = black box voting = voting on electronic machines which don't print paper ballots

[leftchick]

1. Hi Eric! Question....

Did you hear The Connection on NPR today about DREs with David Dill? I listened to most of it but was very disapponited at how much time was given to that Dan person (who was he?). He had about twice the airtime as Dr. Dill. It was frustrating but Dr. Dill did a wonderful job!

[Eric J in MN]

2. Hi leftchick, I didn't hear the NPR piece

Hi leftchick, I didn't hear the NPR piece.

I'm glad David Dill did well.


My ideal voting system wouldn't involve corporations.

The state would print plain paper ballots, and people could watch the ballot box they put them in through the end of voting, and then through to the end of a public hand-count.

If it takes all night to count the votes that way, it's still less time than it takes to design electronic voting machines, build voting machines, ship voting machines, test voting machines, train people on voting machines, etc.

[leftchick]

3. Here is a link to the show....

http://theconnection.org/shows/2004/04/20040426_b_main.asp

This is the fellow I didn't know. He sounded like a paid shill for Diebold.

<Dan Tokaji, La w Professor at Ohio State University>

David Dill certainly seems fixated on using optical scans for an alternative to DREs. Perhaps because of the disabled issue? Anyway, I am with you and agree we need PAPER and get rid of the corrupt corporations.

[GregD]

7. Tokaji is with Common Cause

He has been pro-paperless, and a huge pain, for as long as I have been aware of this issue.

[hunter]

8. Wow, I guess correctly...

This is getting interesting.

Electronic voting machines are very useful to people who are disabled or can't read English. They should be set up, maybe one in every polling place, to print out paper ballots identical to the simple pen and paper ballots everyone else SHOULD be using.

The way these voting machine companies are fighting us, it appears that they really are trying to implement some sham sort of "democracy" based upon DRE voting machines, and that the "Help America Vote Act" was actually implemented because the people in power are afraid of how the people might actually vote. We might become the same sort of Democracy that the DEUTSCHE DEMOKRATISCHE REPUBLIK was, a democracy in name only.

Honest electronic voting machine companies would try to fix the damn problems, and they wouldn't feel any overwhelming need to cover their messes up with great big steaming piles of....

[SharonAnn]

13. Aaah, but how would political cronies get rich with that scheme?

That's got to be the only reason these companies are sponsoring "The Election Center", the HAVA bill, the bills in state legislatures, etc.

It's just another Republican scheme to transfer wealth from the taxpayers to their pockets.

They don't want to work at developing something, crating a market, dealing with competition, etc. They only play in rigged games.

Rmember, "you can't trust Republicans with your money".

[hunter]

4. Was it Dan Tokaji?

"Ohio State Law Professor Dan Tokaji?"

He's one of those lawyers who thinks that scientists and engineers carry some sort of deadly cooties. He doesn't know much about computers, and worse, he doesn't want to know.

[LittleApple81]

5. That is him, exactly!!!!

Dan Tokaji, Law Professor at Ohio State University - His blog http://equalvote.blogspot.com / is pro-machines, mainly.

[leftchick]

6. He came across as a paid shill...

for Diebold.

[hunter]

9. I most recently heard Tokaji on KGO...

...the big talk radio station in Northern California. He was on the Gene Burns show.

Tokaji reminds me of doctors who travel around the country speaking at medical conferences for big pharmaceutical companies. So many of these guys won't admit to themselves that they have been bought. They still like to think they have some sort of "objective opinion."

[hunter]

10. Back to the original post...

Without paper ballots you can't recount, and you can't audit. It's that simple. If direct recording electronic voting machines don't work perfectly on the day of the election -- either by accident, by negligence, or by criminal intent -- there are far fewer ways of determining what went wrong than there are with paper ballots.

Most people do not realize it, but computers are not designed to create and collect information, but to digest it. As you read this your computer is mostly writing and erasing memory. You will never see those erased electronic bits again, in fact they are turned into waste heat and blown out the back of the computer with a fan.

Paper ballots are not so easy to get rid of, especially when people are standing around watching them.

[Eric J in MN]

14. Since The RECORD Act has more Senate cosponsors, I think

Since "The RECORD Act" has more Senate cosponsors, I think that is the one we should be promoting when we call our Senators.

1-800-839-5276

Ask to be transferred to the office of one of your Senators.

Leave a message for the Senator to support "The RECORD Act, S. 2313, for more accurate elections.

The RECORD Act requires elecronic voting machines to print paper ballots.

[Bushfire]

16. Is this the bill (S. 2313) that Hillary Clinton sponsored? n/t

[Eric J in MN]

17. No. This is a new bill which Bob Graham introduced and which

No. This is a new bill which Bob Graham introduced and which Hillary Clinton is one of the sponsors of.

The bill Hillary Clinton introduced a few months ago had loopholes, but the new bill, "The RECORD Act," S.2313, is good.

"The RECORD Act" has all the Senate cosponsors of "The Voter Confidence Act" and more, including both the Senators from Florida, both the Senators from NY, Fritz Hollings, Blanche Lincoln, and Frank Lautenberg.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d108:s.02313:

To use the link above, add "::"

[leftchick]

11. Good golly Eric, I am so sorry....

I never meant to highjack your thread!!

Excellent post and I will be making the calls! :)

[Eric J in MN]

12. thanks (nt)

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[Eric J in MN]

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